• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:25
CEST 20:25
KST 03:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 226ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon345.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon ZOWIE DIVINA preview TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Server Blocker
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 race war HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6268 users

Discipline, degree and fit, little by little

Blogs > coffeesession
Post a Reply
coffeesession
Profile Blog Joined August 2019
65 Posts
November 21 2020 23:43 GMT
#1
This is just me sharing some personal findings. It's not a guide.

Few themes occurred to me recently:
1) sense of order or feeling one has about discipline,
2) degree of discipline that fits,
3) little by little, discipline in building discipline,
4) little by little in discipline, why?,
5) quality of discipline.

1) Sense of order or feeling one has about discipline.

The feeling part is about that sense of orderliness one has when stuff is nicely organized and easy to navigate. Basic thing. For example, when the room is cleaned up or some stuff in the shelf is nicely sorted or the schedule is clear and easy to adjust and make sense of. It's that nice kind of a feeling when one walks into a place and it's well-organized, has this kind of a clear, nice feeling about it.

That's basic but actually more important than it seems.

Why wouldn't one not want the emotional association one has with discipline, be itself disciplined? Thinking about discipline or making things orderly as this chore-like thing, this "making yourself do it" kind of stuff, is actually having a disorderly or undisciplined association about discipline, one of emotional turbulence. If the very starting point of making things more orderly, is itself disorderly, why would it be effective?

Instead, discipline can be thought of as just this nice feeling of being on track. Of just keeping one's activities and things relatively orderly and clear. Not as this kind of a 12 hour grind all day every day, near-perfect adherence to schedule, or having every tiniest thing in order, or absolutely 0.000% mess anywhere in anything. No, it's just doing things that make sense in a way that makes sense and keeping a general sense of order. It's literally just this nice feeling that comes with keeping things fairly orderly and clear. This is a pretty basic but surprisingly big difference maker, in terms of actually doing the discipline.

2) Degree of discipline that fits.

This is the recognition that it's about finding a degree of discipline that fits oneself. It's about the optimal degree. It's like a recipe, too much of even an excellent ingredient can worsen or screw everything up. It's not about maxing out on discipline. More discipline doesn't equal better. More disciplined doesn't equate better. It's important to recognize that it really varies from person to person and too much discipline is as destructive as too little of it. Not too little, not too much. Just about fine, as fits one's unique predispositions, preference and needs.

3) Little by little, discipline in building discipline.

Going from 0 to 100 in almost one go. 10 to 40. 20 to 70. That doesn't work, in general. Instead, set the goal or discipline on what's slightly outside of how disciplined one was the day before. Not too slightly - it should be a bit of a stretch. But not too far out, either. Something that is kinda challenging but not too hard. It's not cruising, but it's not this really huge deal or destroyer of worlds maximum insanity level either. It's this nice stretch.

Repeat that until it becomes comfortable. Then set a new goal that is the new stretch, slightly outside of what one can do now.

Keep stretching and repeating to comfort, again and again and again. Each time one stretches and then repeats it enough for it to become the new comfort, one's becoming genuinely more disciplined. It becomes default and automatic. And that's the entire point.

4) Little by little in building discipline, why?

Overextending, e.g. 0 to 100, 30 to 80 overnight and the like, this tends to offer a short-lived period of rather shaky, tense, and very forced discipline. It's often followed by an even greater and more magnified period which lacks it. Makes sense? Not necessarily, at least not unless someone has experienced it enough.

Being absurdly driven, I was repeatedly convincing myself that "this is bullshit for pussies" and, with a clear goal in mind, going all out at it. I'm not saying this can't work, on some occasions it probably can - but in general that kind of a discipline doesn't really become default and automatic, and the quality of that discipline suffers.

It's easy to understand why one doesn't go from some small weights to strongman level weights in the gym. It's harder to comprehend why would discipline - something that seems just mental, psychological, emotional - be similar in this regard.

The reason has to do with translation, distribution, and alignment between parts. It's not so much that one wants to be more disciplined, it's many parts of oneself that do. There are emotional parts, mental parts, physical parts. There are sub-parts in each of these parts. In a sense, there are trillions of parts because there are trillions of cells, though of course, they organize into larger parts. All of these parts are influenced by, and participate in, daily cycles or rhytm of activity. If one changes this rhytm - some parts can both understand and adapt very easily and quickly. And some parts cannot or don't, for whatever reason, they require time. If that time's not given, it creates a ton of problems.

That's the basic gist of it. If one gives themselves time, they're really giving time to all the internal parts to understand and adapt to what's going on and that's really the key. That's why being more patient and gradual about it, tends to produce much more solid and lasting results, instead of confusion and repeated lack of progress.

There is also the quality of discipline involved in it. It's very important that the quality fits oneself. Rushing it tends to dilute and distort the quality, while taking a more gradual and patient approach supports achieving a quality that fits oneself.

5) On the quality of discipline.

There are many kinds of discipline. The discipline I'm taking about is not one of beating oneself into a constricted automaton. Discipline shouldn't be associated with a lot of tension, feeling very forced, something very pushy and imposing, that's not what it is about. Discipline is something that's used to achieve a nice sense of order. It's returning and staying on track. Mostly, there shouldn't be a sense of overwhelm, or mounting tension, or overload, associated with discipline. It's not tension and stifling sense of restriction. It's a sense of order and stretch of one's abilities in a direction that makes sense.

This quality of discipline has many facets and it's not important to consider them consciously. I don't think it is, at least. There are far too many of them. What's important is that it feels aligned and that it's stable and resilient. A discipline that's easily shaken or broken, that's not the goal. It's discipline that really fits oneself, and then, becomes default and automatic. Intrinsic to one's most normal, day-to-day, unconscious attitude. Something that one finds naturally gravitating towards because it's just a fine place to be at.



***
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1969 Posts
November 24 2020 10:48 GMT
#2
I bookmarked this.
GameLocalizer
Profile Joined November 2020
9 Posts
December 03 2020 02:03 GMT
#3
Great post, about slowly ratcheting up discipline. For me one thing that's really helped is TRACKING. Heck, hitting 60% of my goal is still 60% better than before, right?~
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1206 Posts
December 04 2020 10:03 GMT
#4
Good read especially this very particular piece of advice
Being absurdly driven, I was repeatedly convincing myself that "this is bullshit for pussies" and, with a clear goal in mind, going all out at it. I'm not saying this can't work, on some occasions it probably can - but in general that kind of a discipline doesn't really become default and automatic, and the quality of that discipline suffers.


There was a book out there called Atomic Habits that just resonates these same ideas!
Flash should fear Sacsri
Devid Chan
Profile Joined December 2020
United States13 Posts
December 20 2020 20:49 GMT
#5
I didn't really like it, but when is the sequel?
Veni, vidi, vici!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
BRAT_OK 96
RushiSC 49
StarCraft: Brood War
Soulkey 288
ggaemo 240
Dewaltoss 122
NaDa 38
910 33
Shine 18
HiyA 15
Bale 14
Yoon 9
Dota 2
qojqva2328
420jenkins306
Counter-Strike
fl0m1760
x6flipin618
byalli614
Other Games
Grubby3449
FrodaN1327
ceh9595
ToD195
Hui .179
Mlord151
ArmadaUGS135
C9.Mang0101
UpATreeSC33
MindelVK14
JuggernautJason8
Chillindude1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick34850
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 103
• StrangeGG 71
• mYiSmile147
• Reevou 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV388
League of Legends
• Nemesis3604
Other Games
• imaqtpie881
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 36m
WardiTV Weekly
16h 36m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 5h
The PondCast
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
5 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.