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Recently, I got a call from my old college that was asking for money. This already happened shortly after graduation, but I was surprised this happened again. I live in America and college education is not necessarily cheap and I saw many of my friends go into a lot of debt to go to college and it was sad to see. I find it rude and appalling that the university has the balls to call people for "donations" when they already invested so much in their education in terms of tuition and much more, and they don't have much to give (To play devil's advocate, it was only 20-something dollars, but I find this kind of offensive as you will see why).
To give a little background about my old university, it is VERY large. Incoming freshmen numbers around ten thousand people and total enrollment numbers around fifty thousand. It also has large and prominent athletic programs, particularly football and basketball and it profits greatly from those two programs. There are also a great deal of Greek houses on or near campus and the Greek life and the university are very intertwined; in fact Greek people have quite an influence on university decisions, especially student government. So, the university is big and the undergrads who go there consists a lot of frat guys and sorority girls. Also, students take a big role in sports by participation, which the Greek people love. Hence, it is a prime definition of a party school.
Now, to give a little background about myself. I am a nerdy guy. I am smart, socially awkward, and not very athletic. I like games, books, music, and computers. I do like sports, but I prefer watching them. I have lived in the city where the university is located for 12 years, so I have known about it for a long time and I knew I would be comfortable going there for college (or so I thought). When I went to college there, it was quite an eye-opener. I won't go into too much detail about my college experience, but I will say that I had little to nothing to do with the Greek life and sports, and the university was not very supportive of me in general.
After graduation, the tone of the university kind of sounded like this, "Ok, you've graduated. Bye!" There was pretty much no support or encouragement, in terms of finance or opportunity, from the institution during my time there, so I shouldn't expect any of it after. It felt shallow to aptly put it. However, let's go into the call and my reasoning a bit further.
So, the first call was about tradition and how students donate to the university after graduation. I wonder if people at the other end of phone line know of alumni's financial situation or their attitude toward the university itself. I have a feeling that they don't and most people probably don't donate because they need to pay off their debts and are probably living paycheck to paycheck. Now, back in the 60s and 70's, I believe people were willing because education was so affordable, but this is hardly the case today. Also, I would imagine there are quite a few that are dissatisfied with the university and probably wouldn't donate even if they had the money. This also raises the question of where the tuition money goes and it feels like donating to a charity in that I don't know where the money is going and how it is used. I'm also quite certain the university is doing well financially and really doesn't need my money to keep it going. The second call was about "funding a scholarship for other students". I don't know why but this angered me more than the first one in that how the university doesn't seem to subsidize its profits from its sports program into education and how getting such a scholarship is a pretty rare feat indeed and will not benefit most people.
Like I said before, I find these calls rude and appalling. Most alumni today are broke as it is and some aren't really fond of the university. FYI, I politely said no to the both of them because I said I was broke, but I have a feeling they're going to call again.
UPDATE: I forgot to mention another critical reason on why I don't like, or even hate, my old university. I graduated with a Bachelor's in computer science, but I almost did not because the university almost slashed the entire department on the basis that "O, there's no money to be had with this department". Naturally, a lot of people were upset, students and faculty alike, and thankfully, it didn't happen. I would donate to my old department, but not by the administration.
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The first time I got a call from my university I told them I'll be happy to make a donation as soon as I don't owe tens of thousands of dollars for my education. IIRC they said something about how the two generally are not connected and people typically donate regardless of that, which I too found somewhat offensive.
Since then, I have donated (to two of my three alma maters, actually). It depends on your situation. They generally don't know your situation and will ask because whatever money they get helps. Donating is a way to give back. Sometimes you want to, and sometimes you don't.
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I have never been called for something like this, but I know I wouldn't do it. I paid enough in tuition and for each class. No thanks, not going to donate when I already owe 10k.
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On May 21 2016 12:12 micronesia wrote:
The first time I got a call from my university I told them I'll be happy to make a donation as soon as I don't owe tens of thousands of dollars for my education. IIRC they said something about how the two generally are not connected and people typically donate regardless of that, which I too found somewhat offensive.
Since then, I have donated (to two of my three alma maters, actually). It depends on your situation. They generally don't know your situation and will ask because whatever money they get helps. Donating is a way to give back. Sometimes you want to, and sometimes you don't.
Dang, I would've hung up immediately after that statement. That's just disgraceful.
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Pretty disgraceful if you ask me.
They provide a service, you pay for the service, that is that.
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I go to a small liberal arts school in PA and I've had a very enjoyable three years so far, so I understand the appeal to giving back to the college-- I actually know the professors, administration, etc.
My dad went to Michigan State a long time ago and had a terrible time; he had a wife and had to pay his way through with shitty jobs. They've asked him for donations multiple times and he feels exactly as you do. It's one of the reasons I stayed away from big state schools actually. Love the liberal arts aspect of school
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You can just politely refuse to donate. I don't see what the big issue is tbh. As in, it's not like they forced you to do so. I can understand being appalled at the call if they made such a rude statement like in micronesia's case.
In the end, it's similar to what darthfoley stated above. Some people who liked their university experience would be willing/are more likely to donate while others will just refuse to do so.
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fuck athletic programs.. fuck the NCAA... fuck joe paterno who knew since 1976 what his assistant coach was doing.
i went to a working class co-op university where academics are #1;i graduated with zero debt and donate a thousand a year. during my university years i transformed from a soft, spoiled brat into a productive, small business owner.
my school's CIAU teams all suck balls and i couldn't care less. the second they start spending big money on their sports teams is the second i stop donating.
the football team went 0-8 last year; the basketball team is 1-19 this year; and who cares about canadian university hockey. i hope the teams are crap forever because they're a waste of time.
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If colleges had top level starcraft teams would you donate ;p
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On May 21 2016 13:52 BigFan wrote:
You can just politely refuse to donate. I don't see what the big issue is tbh. As in, it's not like they forced you to do so. I can understand being appalled at the call if they made such a rude statement like in micronesia's case.
In the end, it's similar to what darthfoley stated above. Some people who liked their university experience would be willing/are more likely to donate while others will just refuse to do so.
Or you can just as equally be mad about and discuss your story over the internet. When you get to hear people from other perspectives, you learn sth from it, and later you may respond more appropriately on the matter.
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I think the big concern is that they act(?) like they need that money. In certain cases that's true, but I am getting the vibe that that's not the case. For those who haven't I would advise them to do some good research on the financial state on the university before you do anything -- you never know.
Personally, I can't stand helping institutions that don't even need financial backings yet they act like it when they need your money. It just feels like a flat out lie to me.
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There's no responsibility to donate, and I personally haven't. With that being said, I do think there's a misconception about how expensive education is. Universities are non-profit and are not getting rich off your tuition dollars. It's true that some have very large endowments, but that comes from alumni donations (probably other sources too that I don't know of). If my financial situation was different, I wouldn't be opposed to giving towards tuition relief to people who wouldn't be able to go to university without it.
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My University also asks the graduates for donations. But over here its different, university education is (almost) free. (I pay 500€ a year but I get free theater / opera tickets, free tickets for all busses, subways and trains, etc)
But they also seem to use that money good. They often do events where they bring big corporations and students together so that they can meet and build connections. The students also get a chance to ask questions and find out what work life is about. I am actually quite pleased with my university and I think I am going to donate when I am finally done with my master.
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Sometimes I get the feeling tons of institutions ask you for donations in America, just recently saw that political parties ask people for donations as well. They seem really up in your face about it, looks very weird to me.
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If my University were to cold call me and ask for a donation I would not be the happiest of chaps. I assume in America there is no obligation to?
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The first few times my university called I politely, but firmly told them not to call again. However, I understand donating. Most people who went to my university got some form of financial aid and donations help make that possible. My school doesn't have a billion dollar endowment and isn't government funded. I like the idea of reconsidering once I've repaid my student loans.
That being said, I didn't donate because I don't agree with how the school has spent its money in the past and plans to spend it in the future. During my four years at school their main focus was a new student union that none of the students wanted and would have ruined the landscape of the campus.
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When I have a job over $40k / year after my 2 degrees and about 20k of student debt I might consider donating...at this point as far as I'm concerned I'd rather ship them my diplomas and have my money back.
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I don't get why you are whining about it, colleges all over do that. Maybe if you get a job you'll be fine
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On May 21 2016 13:52 BigFan wrote:
You can just politely refuse to donate. I don't see what the big issue is tbh. As in, it's not like they forced you to do so. I can understand being appalled at the call if they made such a rude statement like in micronesia's case.
In the end, it's similar to what darthfoley stated above. Some people who liked their university experience would be willing/are more likely to donate while others will just refuse to do so.
If I said no the first time for the reason I said above, then I wouldn't expect them to call again because it takes years on average to pay off student debt. Plus, cold calling is just annoying.
Like I already said, I'm not that fond of the university because they know nothing about me and they don't care. Hence, the feeling is mutual. I'm also not saying that people shouldn't donate either.
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On May 21 2016 23:24 HeeroFX wrote:
I don't get why you are whining about it, colleges all over do that. Maybe if you get a job you'll be fine
Did you not read about the part on why I don't like my old university? And the fact they did it again?
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I know some people who work these sorts of calls, most of the the time (assuming they're students, my school hires students to do it) then they know fully how relatively turdy it is to ask a recent grad to donate money. 
Thank you for being polite to them, :D I've heard some horror stories of people getting REALLY pissed at these kinds of callers because they are, to be fair, pretty annoying when you've already dumped a shit ton of cash into the school and the school is just like, "More plz."
My school has alumni sorted into groups by how long ago they've graduated and how much they tend to donate, so hopefully if you just turn them down non stop they'll eventually ask less, lol.
It does suck though, I totally get the feeling. I'm a graduating Senior at my school and I got an email about a "Senior Gift," and I originally thought, hey, we'd get little art-themed goody bags, and then I read the email and they're asking us for fucking money to build solar benches on campus. I havent even graduated and they're trying to milk me for money.
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On May 21 2016 16:23 tokinho wrote:
If colleges had top level starcraft teams would you donate ;p
If they were BW, then yes. SC2, not so much. :D
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On May 21 2016 13:29 darthfoley wrote:
I go to a small liberal arts school in PA and I've had a very enjoyable three years so far, so I understand the appeal to giving back to the college-- I actually know the professors, administration, etc.
My dad went to Michigan State a long time ago and had a terrible time; he had a wife and had to pay his way through with shitty jobs. They've asked him for donations multiple times and he feels exactly as you do. It's one of the reasons I stayed away from big state schools actually. Love the liberal arts aspect of school
Heh I also went to Michigan State but I loved it. They called me like a year after I graduated while I was in grad school but it was for something specific, like some new social science research thing they were doing (since I came out of that college) I said sure and donated a tiny bit. I haven't since then but they do still call like once a year.
I don't really care about Universities asking me for money (especially if its from the social sciences because their budgets often suck dick).
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This is an interesting topic and I can appreciate your frustration. I don't work in fundraising in higher education but I do work very closely with colleagues who do, so felt I might share some of my thoughts here.
Firstly, I'll give a bit of background on why fundraising is important in higher education - I work in the UK, which is a very different environment compared to the US, so bear that in mind!
Tuition fees will typically contribute to the direct costs associated with the programme of study (teaching staff, staff development, assessment costs, direct support staff, materials and other resources used, such as lab consumables, etc.), and will also contribute to overheads (room hire/maintenance, catering, indirect support staff and administration) and other institutional services (VC office, senior administration, research, other overheads etc.). Most courses would be expected to run a surplus, usually to be invested in capital projects or for cash reserves.
Some departments and institutions are firmly in the black, while others, like Berkerly for example, are in serious financial trouble.
While most costs will (hopefully) be covered by tuition fees, other kinds of activity won't be: for example, there may be a new area of research that needs resourcing, a new course getting off the ground or new facilities might be required, which simply cannot be covered by these reserves. Philanthropy enables institutions to fund these kinds of initiatives to continue to grow, make new discoveries and teach in new areas.
The London School of Economics and Political Science, for example, has an endowment from the Deutsche Bank to fund it's cities programme.
But obviously you're not the Deutsche Bank! The other key area where philanthropy needed is in the provision of scholarships and bursaries. These tend to be funded through giving by alumni.
Scholarships and bursaries are valuable for a number of reasons: they enable financially disadvantaged students to access higher education, they help students who enter into financial hardship while studying, they also help attract and retain the best students (which enhances the learning experiences of their peers, and ultimately the reputation of the institution as a whole). Taking a quick look at Harvard you can see all sorts of alumni funded scholarships.
Without philanthropy none of these would be possible. I understand how this might be difficult to stomach when you have incurred such substantial debt, but, in my experience, alumni who have the means are generally willing to help fund others.
And many alumni will never have the means or inclination to give, but universities will never know without asking.
One point I wanted also to pick up on is this:
After graduation, the tone of the university kind of sounded like this, "Ok, you've graduated. Bye!" There was pretty much no support or encouragement, in terms of finance or opportunity, from the institution during my time there, so I shouldn't expect any of it after.
Yeah, that really does suck (although if there wasn't any money, then perhaps that's why they're doing fundraising!). The bit that was annoying to hear was the 'OK... bye' bit. So many institutions I know of have all sorts of initiatives and opportunities to support graduates, like funding for entrepreneurship, careers advice, graduate internships and placements etc. The fact that this wasn't offered to you, and then you were asked to donate, was pretty galling I am sure.
I understand how you must feel, especially if you're not confident in the institutional need or in it's management. If you don't want to give then fair enough!
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Fact is even more simple, budget cuts all over.. if (endowed) people/enterprises don't donate then the universities in need will downgrade or downsize. simple maths. This is not new, just going overboard soon (more precisely .. overboard everywhere soon).
Whatever the form it takes, calling new students is possibly toxic and counter productive, but that's their first pool of calls because they have the lists handy (21st century lazy thinking), that is them barely starting.. they will ask EVERYONE!
Universities.. culture everywhere is getting less and less budget/endowments...
You say "I payed for my uni and so that's done!" but how about if you owe 20K and it cost 40?
Culture and learning is being killed every day.. not to mention less and less poor people are being "helped" in to access it.. less and less people want to partake in its life due to the difficulties tied in (notably salary/work ratio) ...
You hate being asked for donations? brace yourself because your donations will be keeping your kid's uni open..
your kid's library or theater .. or they will close!
Personally I give to certain orgs but I do it actively .. I see what the money is being used for etc...
To address the core issue: universities asking for donations won't save them :/
Edit: i edit sorry  it is a karma thing, nothing I can do about it.
I think if you asked for numbers (in your uni) you would be surprised how things actually work..
I am totally on board with the "it is distasteful to get a call asking for a donation",
but your uni won't be the only one asking.
As for the "public" / taxes remark.. same thing I agree, but you might not realize just how much your government (or mine) is bankrupt and has been for decades already.. putting kids on phones to ask everyone to donate is a cheap way to get money.. it won't stop, it is a generalized economic model that is bad but taking over the world.
Yes I too would love to see my taxes "be enough" but they, simply put, are not.
What is new is asking poor people to donate.
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On May 22 2016 03:22 fluidrone wrote:
Fact is even more simple, budget cuts all over.. if (endowed) people don't donate (whatever the form it takes, calling new students is possibly toxic and counter productive, but that's their first pool of calls because they have the lists already (21st century lazy thinking),
then the universities in need will downgrade or downsize. simple maths.
University, like culture everywhere is getting less and less budget/endowments..
You say "I payed for my uni and so that's done!" but how about if you owe 20K and it cost 40?
Culture and learning is being killed every day.. not to mention less and less poor people are being "helped" in..
you hate being asked for donations? brace yourself because your donations will be keeping your kid's uni open..
your kid's library or theater .. or they will close!
Again, I give to certain orgs but I do it actively .. I see what the money is being used for etc...
Universities asking for donations won't save them :/
These are PUBLIC institutions (mine is anyway). Hence, my taxes should keep the doors for those institutions. So, I don't need to donate when I'm already paying for it.
It is sad to see. I don't want to be un-American, but this country is going to destroy itself sooner or later without a change in direction.
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On May 21 2016 23:26 midnight999 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 23:24 HeeroFX wrote:
I don't get why you are whining about it, colleges all over do that. Maybe if you get a job you'll be fine Did you not read about the part on why I don't like my old university? And the fact they did it again?
i love playing basketball, baseball and hockey. they just have very little to do with a getting a top notch education. The school near mine is Wilfred Laurier. They had better athletic teams and the drunken idiots would brag about how great the football team was.
These clowns sit in a mountain of debt with a mediocre Bachelor of Arts from a nothing school; me and my classmates graduated with almost no debt due to well paying co-op jobs and one of the best degrees you can get. I hope these drunken idiots cheering for stupid football teams had a fun 3.66667 years because the next 40 won't be so great.
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I've also been asked to donate (via email, however, as I'm still on their emailing list despite "graduating" in 2012). I too found it offensive, particularly when A) I had to leave my course right at the end, with one more module to complete, due to money issues (I was forced to have to pay by cash/cheque instead of student loans) and them not accepting student loans payments for the course (and my getting threatened with baliliffs as a result of that, the fucking assholes), and B) after being allowed to "pass" my BSc CS without honours, they said I could go to my graduation but would have to pay for the tickets to do so. Needless to say, I didn't go and had them mail my degree certificate to me.
Doing my bachelours was a very big mistake on my part, in my opinion.
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On May 22 2016 03:42 Deleuze wrote:People donating to universities is nothing new. Take a look around at the university buildings, they don't have those names just for fun - they're the names of donors. Harvard gets its name from its prime benefactor.
But the difference is that I don't have a million or so dollars...
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On May 22 2016 04:00 midnight999 wrote:But the difference is that I don't have a million or so dollars...
Exactly - and your experience was shitty. I completely understand that you wouldn't want to donate!
But any giving, even seemingly small, is of value.
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Deleuze, I agree with what you say, but the cost of tuition has skyrocketed over the past decades, which makes me kind of suspicious on where it is all going.
Also, I'm 100% confident that the revenue from the my uni's sports programs can cover such scholarships/bursaries easily. One football home game brings in a million dollars in revenue at least or five or six million on a really big game. They just don't choose to put it in education, I guess. Anyway, the uni's not going broke anytime soon.
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On May 22 2016 04:07 midnight999 wrote:
Deleuze, I agree with what you say, but the cost of tuition has skyrocketed over the past decades, which makes me kind of suspicious on where it is all going.
Also, I'm 100% confident that the revenue from the my uni's sports programs can cover such scholarships/bursaries easily. One football home game brings in a million dollars in revenue at least or five or six million on a really big game. They just don't choose to put it in education, I guess. Anyway, the uni's not going broke anytime soon.
Yours.
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I can see asking alumni to donate to some specific purpose... and if I was a grad still paying off tuition I'd probably decline.
I'd like to see more transparency regarding athletic revenue (although don't forget that for every big time football team there's also several smaller sports that eat up the athletic budget...like women's lacrosse or something).
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I'm more worried that some universities actually need the donation money to keep things rollings. If the tuition is not enough, maybe they're doing sth wrong? It'd suck if a year above me had an awesome opportunity thanks to a big donation but then I did not get the same opportunity cuz the donations suddenly stopped. This was an exaggeration but still... I thought universities were systematic and stable institutions.
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On May 22 2016 06:07 y0su wrote:
I can see asking alumni to donate to some specific purpose... and if I was a grad still paying off tuition I'd probably decline.
I'd like to see more transparency regarding athletic revenue (although don't forget that for every big time football team there's also several smaller sports that eat up the athletic budget...like women's lacrosse or something).
Yes, but lately a lot of revenues seems to be going to administration and not into faculties. These institutions really have to be transparent about this. This is why I believe that theoretically public universities are better as there is a ground in which the public can force the transparency.
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Sadly, I do understand what they're up to.
They don't really care about "today" or even next decade. They work to establish a "relationship" that will carry through to your later years, in the hopes that in 20-30 years you've made a large amount of money and bequeath it to the school.
My alma mater (and the class reps) have been pretty straight forward about that. Even small donations in the early years will generally lead to more giving in the later years of your life. Though, to note, it really helps that my school treated me pretty great (and I got great value for the education), so the experience is quite different.
Plus, the guys who could make the reunion got an open-bar as a result one year. That just seemed like a civic duty to donate to.
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The thing with budgets is that they are very fluid by nature. Sure, you could donate towards something specific (let's say something noble, like a scholarship towards someone in financial need). Great. You can go to sleep at night with a clear conscience.
But that just means that the University can shift that same amount of money from financial need scholarships that they otherwise would put towards that, and use it for whatever purpose they deem necessary instead. So your money could be going towards creating a marble sculpture of the dean of the Arts department, and you would never know about it.....
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You're most likely being called by current students working for your universities fundraising department who have been given a list of all graduates to 'cold call' and ask for donations.
Potentially this list will be cleaned for people who say no, but unless you give a hard no they'll consider it a soft no and re-add you a year or three later for the next round of calls.
If you find this offensive, get in touch with your school's alumni fundraising department and tell them to get you off the caller/email list permanently or you'll sue them for harassment.
Debates about fundraising and university are mostly pointless since university life across the world and even within the U.S. differs greatly, but I guess there is the value of sharing experiences or something.
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Why do you even care if they call you? Why do you see "they will call again" as a problem? Owning a phone doesn't mean that you signed your soul away, you can press the red button at ANY moment. You don't owe anyone anything (besides the debts that you legally do owe) - and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise deserves nothing but your contempt. It's really that easy.
On May 21 2016 23:42 Zambrah wrote:
Thank you for being polite to them, :D I've heard some horror stories of people getting REALLY pissed at these kinds of callers because they are, to be fair, pretty annoying when you've already dumped a shit ton of cash into the school and the school is just like, "More plz."
What the hell are you thanking him for? Being polite to unsolicited callers is only encouraging the business. I get quite a lot of phone spam (my number is really easy to get for various reasons) and I usually just yell profanities at them, or just hang up, or just leave the phone lying around for a couple of minutes before they realize they are talking into a wall ... really, whatever I feel like. Because you know, why shouldn't I? They have absolutely no right to a second of my time and what they do is completely impolite. The popular argument "but the people calling are just employees and not evil" is the paramount of bullshit - it is your responsibility what job you take and if you do something that should not be done, you are a part of the problem. Also, by making their life miserable, I am actively hurting the HR market for these positions.
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Happens to me all the time..Among tenured professors who flat out refused to teach unless it was their horrible textbook, to pumping money into only AAA sports programs, my university NEVER seemingly spent money for the students. I had to stay in a shitty unrenovated dorm for the price of a renovated one because of uni policy, (although the newly reno dorm towers look nice), then i had to deal with university bureaucracy for 4 years.. the only thing that the school legit did for its students was build a new lifestyle center, which was a state of the art 4 floor gym that was absolutely massive.. With a giant pool in the shape of our mascot to put on the front of their orientation brochures.. The new gym, while done out of self interest to attract more californian girls/ guys to our school, genuinely was a good thing for the student body, and people were happy across the board regarding it..
But i guess that one moment of mutual happiness leads me to ask the question, why weren't the library common areas redone??? or the aging business or econ or engineering buildings redone??? there were just a lot of areas that needed money that the bureaucracy ignored in favor of things incoming students care about, which is fine, but it makes me laugh really hard as someone who has graduated when they beg me for money. I might consider it if they actually said "this is for a new library!!" or a new finance program or something, but if it's just an enigmatic "support state school #1412 because you remember those fun times!!" then they can just fuck right off.
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My college did the same thing. They ask for thousand of dollar donations though. Like ridiculous request s. I used to get offended but now when i get mail from them it goes automatically to the trash. 
I wouldn't stress about it, seems like a common thing.
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On May 25 2016 16:14 opisska wrote:Why do you even care if they call you? Why do you see "they will call again" as a problem? Owning a phone doesn't mean that you signed your soul away, you can press the red button at ANY moment. You don't owe anyone anything (besides the debts that you legally do owe) - and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise deserves nothing but your contempt. It's really that easy. Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 23:42 Zambrah wrote:
Thank you for being polite to them, :D I've heard some horror stories of people getting REALLY pissed at these kinds of callers because they are, to be fair, pretty annoying when you've already dumped a shit ton of cash into the school and the school is just like, "More plz."
What the hell are you thanking him for? Being polite to unsolicited callers is only encouraging the business. I get quite a lot of phone spam (my number is really easy to get for various reasons) and I usually just yell profanities at them, or just hang up, or just leave the phone lying around for a couple of minutes before they realize they are talking into a wall ... really, whatever I feel like. Because you know, why shouldn't I? They have absolutely no right to a second of my time and what they do is completely impolite. The popular argument "but the people calling are just employees and not evil" is the paramount of bullshit - it is your responsibility what job you take and if you do something that should not be done, you are a part of the problem. Also, by making their life miserable, I am actively hurting the HR market for these positions.
(assuming they're students, my school hires students to do it)
First sentence in my post, lol.
Do you REALLY think that you being a huge dickface to the caller is doing anything? You're just fishing for an excuse to act like an asshole to someone who is only doing their job. Do you like to shout obscenitys at your waiter when your food isn't cooked right too?
I'm amazed that someone can feel like they're taking a moral high ground by actively being an abusive asshole, wow.
What happened to treating people like people? You know that you're actually wasting your own time with your senseless shouting? You could just as easily hang up, and voila, the call has ended. Magical.
Also, maybe you should think about your first part of your post in relation to your second, because wow is there some disconnect happening there.
But hey, I'll tell all of my student friends that need all the work hours they can get that they should starve so that you aren't mildly inconvenienced for small periods of time every once in a while. 
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On May 31 2016 00:04 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 16:14 opisska wrote:Why do you even care if they call you? Why do you see "they will call again" as a problem? Owning a phone doesn't mean that you signed your soul away, you can press the red button at ANY moment. You don't owe anyone anything (besides the debts that you legally do owe) - and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise deserves nothing but your contempt. It's really that easy. On May 21 2016 23:42 Zambrah wrote:
Thank you for being polite to them, :D I've heard some horror stories of people getting REALLY pissed at these kinds of callers because they are, to be fair, pretty annoying when you've already dumped a shit ton of cash into the school and the school is just like, "More plz."
What the hell are you thanking him for? Being polite to unsolicited callers is only encouraging the business. I get quite a lot of phone spam (my number is really easy to get for various reasons) and I usually just yell profanities at them, or just hang up, or just leave the phone lying around for a couple of minutes before they realize they are talking into a wall ... really, whatever I feel like. Because you know, why shouldn't I? They have absolutely no right to a second of my time and what they do is completely impolite. The popular argument "but the people calling are just employees and not evil" is the paramount of bullshit - it is your responsibility what job you take and if you do something that should not be done, you are a part of the problem. Also, by making their life miserable, I am actively hurting the HR market for these positions. (assuming they're students, my school hires students to do it)First sentence in my post, lol. Do you REALLY think that you being a huge dickface to the caller is doing anything? You're just fishing for an excuse to act like an asshole to someone who is only doing their job. Do you like to shout obscenitys at your waiter when your food isn't cooked right too? I'm amazed that someone can feel like they're taking a moral high ground by actively being an abusive asshole, wow. What happened to treating people like people? You know that you're actually wasting your own time with your senseless shouting? You could just as easily hang up, and voila, the call has ended. Magical. Also, maybe you should think about your first part of your post in relation to your second, because wow is there some disconnect happening there. But hey, I'll tell all of my student friends that need all the work hours they can get that they should starve so that you aren't mildly inconvenienced for small periods of time every once in a while.
So in short, your logic is that if I have a company that does something wrong, I can justify it by letting students make money doing the work?
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