• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:32
CEST 11:32
KST 18:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War1035.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Server Blocker Stellar Fest 2 Replay Pack
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War Bot on ladder BW General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Small VOD Thread 2.0 ASL 22 Finals [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs Dreams 2026-10-15
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9099 users

Returning to My Roots

Blogs > Eternal Dalek
Post a Reply
Aron Times
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States312 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-11 19:35:25
April 07 2016 17:05 GMT
#1
Team Games in Starcraft 2
  1. Returning to My Roots
  2. Specialization or Division of Labor
  3. Attention and APM are Limited Resources


Who I Am

Hello, my name is Aron Times. I started playing Starcraft back in 1998 as Terran, before we had Medics. That's right, kids, we had Stim Packs before we had Medics or Medivacs, just like how canned food was invented before the can opener. It was a Dark Age of 150 mineral Spawning Pools and 200 mineral factories, of Engineering Bays that could fly and a complete absence of permacloaked combat units (yes, Arbiters existed, but they themselves were not cloaked, so you had a way of dealing with them even without detection).

Starcraft 1

I experienced multiplayer Starcraft primarily through 4v4 continental maps. These were UMS maps which forced teammates to spawn next to each other, on their own respective islands (continents, really, considering their massive size). That was the only way of ensuring that teammates spawned next to each other. If played as a Melee map, starting locations were completely randomized, to the point of allowing one enemy to spawn around three allies.

Warcraft 3

I later moved on to Warcraft 3, where I played RT 3v3 on Kalimdor (the Asian server). My friends all thought that I was crazy because playing team games would not only limit my self-improvement, but also pair me up with trolls and griefers and other troublemakers that would make for a frustrating gaming experience.

In reality, once you got past the first few matches, you eventually moved to a point where everyone generally knew what they were doing. The worst games I had were when I got teammates that didn't speak English (Koreans and Mongolians, primarily), or those new players who came from 1v1 and had no idea how to play team games (team games generally require less mechanical skill and more strategy and much more communication than 1v1).

Starcraft 2

Eventually, I moved on to Starcraft 2, where I played 1v1 almost exclusively from the beginning. Despite having dramatically improved in mechanics and strategy and decision making over the past 18 years, winning in 1v1 felt hollow. This wasn't how I played Starcraft. This wasn't how I enjoyed the game.

A few days ago, on a whim, I decided to test out RT matchmaking in LotV. I started with 2v2, then 3v3, and then 4v4. To my surprise, queue times were very fast (4v4 ranked is faster than DotA 2 ranked), and most of my teammates knew what they were doing (even during the placement matches). Even better, my preferred playstyle (Rush) was actually viable in team games, while my least preferred playstyle (Boom) was risky, the way it used to be back in the day.

After playing my placement matches for all three team game modes (2v2, 3v3, and 4v4), I searched for SC2 team game strategy online, only to find... nothing. The most recent guides for team games date from 2013, and they're only for 2v2. The latest 4v4 guide dates from 2011 (and is the only one I can find after digging through several pages of Google search results).

Team games in LotV are therefore an uncharted territory. There are no established standard build orders, no concrete meta, no idea of what you should or shouldn't do. So far, I've been going by my experience in Warcraft 3 team games and DotA 2. It has served me well so far, but eventually, I hope that the community will establish a standard of play in team games.

Returning to My Roots

That's where this blog comes into play. I will be chronicling my adventures in SC2 team games here. What works, what doesn't work, what I tried, and what I plan to try. Eventually, I plan on writing a guide on how to play team games in SC2. Despite a complete lack of coverage about team games in SC2 websites, team players do exist. I exist. You exist. We exist.

After returning to my roots, Starcraft 2 is awesome once again.

"The drums! The drums! The drums! The neverending drumbeat! Open me, you human fool! Open the light and summon me and receive my majesty!"
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10888 Posts
April 07 2016 19:46 GMT
#2
Awesome man congrats, welcome back to your roots!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
April 08 2016 08:14 GMT
#3
nice...

I' ve gone back to my roots too: started playing age of empires I . Some good times right here, so much history in the game.
As far as starcraft, i bought the game in 2001, not before i stopped playing momentarily civ2.
I play broodwar but not sc2. Its really fun to just play a ton of bgh games 3vs3 or 4vs4. Some weird shit always happens. I could not play that every time but once in a while its great fun. Good luck to you with going back to your roots!
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Aron Times
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States312 Posts
April 08 2016 17:50 GMT
#4
On April 08 2016 04:46 GGzerG wrote:
Awesome man congrats, welcome back to your roots!

Thanks. I'm one more player playing Starcraft, one more viewer watchin Starcraft esports. Ironically, this happened by rejecting the main game mode played by TL.net.

On April 08 2016 17:14 pebble444 wrote:
nice...

I' ve gone back to my roots too: started playing age of empires I . Some good times right here, so much history in the game.
As far as starcraft, i bought the game in 2001, not before i stopped playing momentarily civ2.
I play broodwar but not sc2. Its really fun to just play a ton of bgh games 3vs3 or 4vs4. Some weird shit always happens. I could not play that every time but once in a while its great fun. Good luck to you with going back to your roots!


Well, one of the biggest problems with SC2 team games is that the game is badly-optimized. If you don't have a beefy system, Carriers can cause a lot of video lag because of the sheer amount of Interceptors on screen. I've seen many players just disconnect (possibly because they crashed) when large endgame team fights occur.

I can run on High settings in 1v1 or 2v2. In 3v3 and 4v4, things starts to slow down, but are still tolerable. I used to play back in an era where anything below 200ms ping was acceptable. Players with over 200 ping were called HPBs (high ping bastards), while those fortunate few who had godlike Internet connections were called LPBs (low ping bastards). I remember playing 1v1 games of various types with my friends through dial-up modems; I'd directly connect to his modem and we'd play 1v1 Starcraft from across the city!

*Studio audience gasps. There is a moment of silence and then a burst of cheers and applause.*

Playing team games has made me realize that Starcraft 2 is not a ded gaem. Don't get me wrong, we lost a ton of players due to Blizzard's questionable design decisions, but community stats only count 1v1 ranked players. The ranked 1v1 community is dwarfed by the unranked community, as evidenced by the report last month of coop being more popular than the ladder. The ranked and unranked community combined are themselves dwarfed by the greater Starcraft community who never venture out of singleplayer.
"The drums! The drums! The drums! The neverending drumbeat! Open me, you human fool! Open the light and summon me and receive my majesty!"
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 713
Horang2 506
Killer 301
Larva 256
BeSt 197
Dewaltoss 169
ZerO 157
Leta 129
Shinee 66
Free 65
[ Show more ]
Hm[arnc] 55
Pusan 54
Sharp 50
Barracks 46
soO 43
ggaemo 40
Stork 24
Bale 22
sorry 22
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Noble 11
Hyun 10
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1130
shoxiejesuss816
Other Games
gofns43062
singsing920
Coldzera 747
Happy296
ZerO(Twitch)3
Pyrionflax0
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 14
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2222
League of Legends
• Stunt420
Upcoming Events
Online Event
1h 28m
Korean StarCraft League
17h 28m
Afreeca Starleague
20h 28m
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
1d
AI Arena Tournament
1d 6h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 9h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.