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Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-03 20:32:58
June 03 2015 20:29 GMT
#1
Hello everyone,

Its Ler_GG with some exciting news! I finally managed to get the Magic number of 6000+ MMR.
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Last time I wrote a blog regarding MMR was back in December 2014 (Blog) which was about playing support when you are not aware of the average MMR of the game you are currently playing. Since then a lot has changed.

Changes:
- Average Team MMR is shown on start.
- Highest MMR player of both teams is shown on start.
- A complete Meta change due to the Patch in May.

These 3 points have been pretty important for my 6k journey.

Let me explain why:
First of all, knowing the average MMR of a game gives you an idea in which bracket you are currently playing. With this knowledge, adapting as a player is a key to victory (If you are not sure what I am talking about, take a look at this Climing the Ladder Part1 - The same concepts also apply to the 4k 5k and 6k brackets, they just differ heavily). Abusing roles, farm distribution and mentality in the different brackets is very important to maintain a high win rate.

Let's talk about the second big change, the highest player in each team. There will be games from time to time, that are literally 1000 MMR below the usual games. These games have most of the time 1 high MMR player in each time paired with 4 very low MMR players compared to the high ones. Knowing this before the game starts is crucial. If you manage to take out their secret weapon, your chances of winning are very high. With this information you most likely know where the high MMR player lanes and you are able to hard counter / play against him yourself. Own him, win the game - Simple as that.

So these two chances make a really big difference compared to the match making a few months ago. Crucial information is given which heavily influences decision making while picking and laning.

In May 6.84 got released which had a huge impact on the meta. This allowed me to benefit on a certain hero: Undying. He got a nerf twice, but that did not change anything for me since I got my own way of playing the hero.
When I started to play Undying, I sat at roughly 5,250~ MMR which was around 10. of May. Approximately 3 weeks later, I hit 6000+ MMR just by spamming Undying. When I came in low MMR games, I tried to skip Undying and go for some high Impact Mid like TA.

Graphs and Stats:

Overall Undying stats:
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MMR Graph:
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Undying Games Filtered:
dotabuff.com

My Dotabuff:
@Ler_GG


Thanks for the read! If you got any questions or also want to get some dirty MMR, post your questions here - I will try to answer everything


Greetings,

@Ler_GG
Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
June 03 2015 20:55 GMT
#2
Congrats you dirty zombie picking whore
:D
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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
June 03 2015 21:06 GMT
#3
When I started to play Undying, I sat at roughly 5,250~ MMR which was around 10. of May. Approximately 3 weeks later, I hit 6000+ MMR just by spamming Undying

ranked matchmaking ladies and gentlemen
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6593 Posts
June 03 2015 21:19 GMT
#4
congrats Ler well done
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 03 2015 22:12 GMT
#5
I must say l3lraven nailed it XD
grats on 6k tho
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Baozi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1191 Posts
June 03 2015 22:28 GMT
#6
Congratulations on the achie-

Wait, you spammed Undying for this? Uninstall please, disgusting zombie-picking scum.

:D
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28091 Posts
June 03 2015 22:31 GMT
#7
I felt bad for you when y ou went sub 5k, nice to see that turn around, lol

Are you gonna try and go higher or are you done with RMM and just gonna play with a team or something.
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Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
June 03 2015 22:37 GMT
#8
On June 04 2015 07:31 TheEmulator wrote:
I felt bad for you when y ou went sub 5k, nice to see that turn around, lol

Are you gonna try and go higher or are you done with RMM and just gonna play with a team or something.


Going for leaderboards right now Just got rekt by Pajkatt and Trixi lol
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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
June 04 2015 01:48 GMT
#9
rip 6k 0-12 on the mighty dirge and spewing flame the whole time youre an inspiration to us all
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
June 04 2015 02:23 GMT
#10
LER is such a fucking hero.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 04 2015 02:48 GMT
#11
Do people actually enjoy climbing the ladder by spamming relatively op heroes? Honest question here because I find more satisfaction climbing by first pick randoming all the time.
Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 04:02:34
June 04 2015 04:02 GMT
#12
On June 04 2015 11:48 DucK- wrote:
Do people actually enjoy climbing the ladder by spamming relatively op heroes? Honest question here because I find more satisfaction climbing by first pick randoming all the time.


Pub is cancerous anyway. Earthspirit, Bloodseeker Troll and Sniper. Spamming one good hero to maintain a high win rate should be normal in a competitive environment like a ladder.
If people enjoy spamming OP heroes? I dont know. I can only speak for myself. I like undying a lot since its a really high impact support if played correctly which also allows some really sick plays sometimes.
Randoming is fine. But I highly doubt anyone could maintain 60%+ win rates(in the 6k bracket) by randoming.
Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
Sebastien
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada72 Posts
June 04 2015 06:47 GMT
#13
Essence of the blog: 5000 mmr skill player spams pub breaking hero to break into the 6k bracket. Did I get it right?
Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
June 04 2015 08:21 GMT
#14
On June 04 2015 15:47 Sebastien wrote:
Essence of the blog: 5000 mmr skill player spams pub breaking hero to break into the 6k bracket. Did I get it right?


I actually was 5,9+ 6 months ago.
Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 08:40:17
June 04 2015 08:38 GMT
#15
This was a pretty fun blog. I mean, most bloggers like this would probably try to hide that they spammed a pub-killing hero to reach some MMR threshold. I would normally expect people to throw out cliches like "i got better and became more of a team player" or "i tried very hard and improved my mechanics" or so. This blog just says it straight up "i picked undying :D".

I'm not sure if I should feel respect for actually coming forth and telling it as it is or feel disgusted because someone needed to resort to spamming an OP hero to reach his goal. :p Oh the conflicts!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 09:23:40
June 04 2015 09:22 GMT
#16
In May 6.84 got released which had a huge impact on the meta. This allowed me to benefit on a certain hero: Undying. He got a nerf twice, but that did not change anything for me since I got my own way of playing the hero.


YESSSSSSSSS
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sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 10:09:56
June 04 2015 09:48 GMT
#17
On June 04 2015 15:47 Sebastien wrote:
Essence of the blog: 5000 mmr skill player spams pub breaking hero to break into the 6k bracket. Did I get it right?



This sounds very much like you are incredibly jealous, cause you probably can't even get past 4k, by spamming (supposedly) OP heroes.
Or are you just angry at dealing with Undying lol?

well done Ler.
Sebastien
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada72 Posts
June 04 2015 09:53 GMT
#18
On June 04 2015 17:21 Ler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 15:47 Sebastien wrote:
Essence of the blog: 5000 mmr skill player spams pub breaking hero to break into the 6k bracket. Did I get it right?


I actually was 5,9+ 6 months ago.


Which abusable hero did you spam for 5.9k? Actually curious.
Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
June 04 2015 10:12 GMT
#19
On June 04 2015 18:53 Sebastien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 17:21 Ler wrote:
On June 04 2015 15:47 Sebastien wrote:
Essence of the blog: 5000 mmr skill player spams pub breaking hero to break into the 6k bracket. Did I get it right?


I actually was 5,9+ 6 months ago.


Which abusable hero did you spam for 5.9k? Actually curious.



Played support only - Every support you could imagine.
Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
Eyx
Profile Joined December 2010
England165 Posts
June 04 2015 12:21 GMT
#20
Any tips on playing dirge? I notice you often finish games with guardian greaves or arcane boots but rarelywith a mek, so is this a mid/late game pickup that you don't really want a mec but want the boots. You also seem to prioritise glimmer cape over solar crest in most games even sometimes when there seems to be more physical dmg on the other team.
ThePianoDentist
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom698 Posts
June 04 2015 12:30 GMT
#21
does this not put you in an awkward position where you either have to keep spamming undying to stay above 6k, and thus dont really improve much at dota....

or you go back to playing other heroes again and inevitably drop mmr, but probably become a better player?

Did you just want to hit 6k and dont mind going back to 5k?

(note: not saying it takes 0 skill to win with undying. it's just that when you've played pretty much a hundred-ish games in a row with him, you're probably learning a lot less from every extra undying game, compared to other heroes.)
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Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 12:49:21
June 04 2015 12:45 GMT
#22
On June 04 2015 21:21 Eyx wrote:
Any tips on playing dirge? I notice you often finish games with guardian greaves or arcane boots but rarelywith a mek, so is this a mid/late game pickup that you don't really want a mec but want the boots. You also seem to prioritise glimmer cape over solar crest in most games even sometimes when there seems to be more physical dmg on the other team.


Guarding Greaves are just so insanely good. When my game goes good and i get decent farm from pushing/kills/lasthits, I build into mek if noone goes for it. ON early rosh lineups with low farming prio, I build mana boots into medallion. If I am super poor or someone already has a mek i mostly build into Glimmer.

Glimmer vs Solar:
- Glimmer Forces people to carry dusts/sentries/gem
- Glimmer can prevent heavy magical burst.
- Glimmer can be used to safe teammates
+ Solar can be used for a fast Rosh due to medallion
+ Solar can be used to make one core super tanky or blow opponents up
+ Solar gives decent EHP due to Armor/Evasion

This being said, Solar costs 3k Gold and Glimmer 2k gold. Due to the fact Undying is one of the worst farmers ever, 1k Gold is a lot so most of the time Glimmer it is.


On June 04 2015 21:30 ThePianoDentist wrote:
does this not put you in an awkward position where you either have to keep spamming undying to stay above 6k, and thus dont really improve much at dota....

or you go back to playing other heroes again and inevitably drop mmr, but probably become a better player?

Did you just want to hit 6k and dont mind going back to 5k?

(note: not saying it takes 0 skill to win with undying. it's just that when you've played pretty much a hundred-ish games in a row with him, you're probably learning a lot less from every extra undying game, compared to other heroes.)


I play officials and Scrims with my team. There is the place for improvement. Pub is just ... a challenge.

Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 04 2015 13:00 GMT
#23
On June 04 2015 18:53 Sebastien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 17:21 Ler wrote:
On June 04 2015 15:47 Sebastien wrote:
Essence of the blog: 5000 mmr skill player spams pub breaking hero to break into the 6k bracket. Did I get it right?


I actually was 5,9+ 6 months ago.


Which abusable hero did you spam for 5.9k? Actually curious.

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gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
June 04 2015 14:06 GMT
#24
*blush*
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Eyx
Profile Joined December 2010
England165 Posts
June 04 2015 14:19 GMT
#25
Also why do you feed in unranked normal skill games?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 04 2015 17:59 GMT
#26
yeahhhh
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 04 2015 18:21 GMT
#27
On June 04 2015 23:19 Eyx wrote:
Also why do you feed in unranked normal skill games?

low prio )
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 05 2015 05:22 GMT
#28
On June 04 2015 21:21 Eyx wrote:
Any tips on playing dirge? I notice you often finish games with guardian greaves or arcane boots but rarelywith a mek, so is this a mid/late game pickup that you don't really want a mec but want the boots. You also seem to prioritise glimmer cape over solar crest in most games even sometimes when there seems to be more physical dmg on the other team.


Glimmer always because invis is op in pubs
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 09:25:32
June 05 2015 09:21 GMT
#29
actually w/e i dont really care enough about this guy gj
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 05 2015 09:22 GMT
#30
On June 04 2015 19:12 Ler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 18:53 Sebastien wrote:
On June 04 2015 17:21 Ler wrote:
On June 04 2015 15:47 Sebastien wrote:
Essence of the blog: 5000 mmr skill player spams pub breaking hero to break into the 6k bracket. Did I get it right?


I actually was 5,9+ 6 months ago.


Which abusable hero did you spam for 5.9k? Actually curious.



Played support only - Every support you could imagine.

thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28091 Posts
June 05 2015 09:27 GMT
#31
He said he played support only when he got to 5.9k. Not that he's only ever played support only, lol.
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Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 09:44:46
June 05 2015 09:42 GMT
#32
what is happening keppo :D
Streaming btw ^^
Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 05 2015 14:37 GMT
#33
zombie OP nerf plox~ :D
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 15:02:40
June 05 2015 15:02 GMT
#34
Honestly. Dota is a competitive game, where the goal is to win, what the fucks weird about picking the best heros.
theres nothing "cool" or "edgy" about deliberately making your game harder by playing worse heros and putting yourself at a disadvantage.
if you wanna random or paly other heros then thats fine, if thats what you enjoy, don't dog on people that play heros because they wanna win
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11904 Posts
June 05 2015 16:03 GMT
#35
I don't get the hate for picking a hero over and over again. It doesn't have to be the OP hero, just something that has space for choices in how to play it and that you like to play. If you play it a lot you will perform better and better due to learning most situations you can end up in and the correct choice there. I probably have 20% of my games since Dota 2 came out on Witch Doctor, great hero and a lot of fun.

You can think of it as a normal sport. Do people flame somebody for picking a position and become the best at it? Ronaldo is a bad defender, he just spammed forward...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 16:24:27
June 05 2015 16:23 GMT
#36
It's unfun to start the game at a colossal disadvantage because the enemy picked ridiculous shit like undying/earth spirit
when somebody does that every game people aren't happy u know, hence the backlash.

I aint judging in this particular case but I can't deny it's hella annoying when ppl just pick those heroes.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11904 Posts
June 05 2015 17:44 GMT
#37
I find it fun facing the same heroes over and over. Let's me try out a lot of different ways of solving the situation. I never have the same heroes on my side, at most it is the same heroes in the game, still a large variance possible. Lanes won't even play out the same game to game due to people having their own ideas of what to buy and how to skill.

Take undying, some people level tomb stone level one. Makes for a very different lane compared to normal.
Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
June 06 2015 16:31 GMT
#38
Nice to see you up there man - also ggwp @ LAN, hope to play you guys more!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 16:48:19
June 06 2015 16:47 GMT
#39
On June 06 2015 00:02 Zealos wrote:
Honestly. Dota is a competitive game, where the goal is to win, what the fucks weird about picking the best heros.
theres nothing "cool" or "edgy" about deliberately making your game harder by playing worse heros and putting yourself at a disadvantage.
if you wanna random or paly other heros then thats fine, if thats what you enjoy, don't dog on people that play heros because they wanna win


On the contrary though, I wouldn't mind losing games if it was a chaotic heavy action game. I find that way more fun than winning because the enemy has no storm/naga counters. Thats why I enjoy sing's stream whenever he stacks with tucker/arise/bangfish/akroma
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