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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 03 2015 08:58 GMT
#1
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Now with pancakes!



HI GUYS! Okay, it's like 3 a.m. and I should be in bed, so it's the perfect time to write a blog. I want to discuss two weird ideas that have been swirling around in brain for years now. I haven't read any books to inspire these thoughts, nor have I taken any illicit drugs. I ain't about that drug life. Speaking of which - weird ideas and drugs - I'm sure there are going to be some people who are going to say "You've been hanging around Yokokano for far too long" after reading this. Great joke, guys! But hopefully, that whole saga is done with, and I'm glad he lives on the opposite side of the country. Someday, I'm gonna be doing my internet silliness thing, and poke some guy who lives down the street from me, and then end up on some milk cartons.

Just kidding, milk cartons don't feature missing people. :p


Idea #1

This is gonna get weird, so bear with me. For this idea, we're going to make a couple of assumptions. I'm not trying to convert you to some weird ideology where you're counting thetans, so calm down and put your beliefs aside and let's use our imaginations!!!! The first assumption is that there is some kind of 'spirit world'. What kind of spirit world? I don't fuckin' know. Geez. The second assumption that the spirit world cannot be perceived through sight, sound, smell, feel, or taste. It can only be perceived through the mind. That means ghosts can't be wandering around stacking up chairs and sucking kids into televisions in this scenario.

So, what if the human brain isn't a processing device? What if it's not a computer that dictates our actions, but actually is a receiving device. So our spirit is floating around in some other place and beams communications to our brains and allows us to interact with this world. Like, your actual self is sleeping somewhere and is sending messages to your receiving device. Your body would be like a virtual reality helmet that you put on to be in another world. When you take the helmet off, you're out of that world. Helmet goes on, and you're back in.

Then, when you get brain damage, you can't receive the messages properly. Then you start to wonder why you can't functional normally even when you want to. Like if you had schizophrenia, and wished you never had to experience psychotic episodes, and start asking "Why does this happen to me?" Maybe it's because the actual you wants control but the receiver is malfunctioning badly. It's like you're playing a game and there's some weird bug that happens like you fall through the ground for no reason and die and you're like "Why don't they fix this stupid bug?"

So, in this scenario, would you be able to perceive other spirits? Sure, why not. We're just making up all this shit, after all, so we could include unicorns and fairies. In fact, let's do that. Let's say you perceive a unicorn spirit with your brain. You wouldn't be able to record it on camera, or do any of that stupid shit that ghost hunters do on reality TV. It is only perceptible to people who are present with you at that moment. So if you see a ghost, there would be no way to ever prove it.

Can you perceive the spirit transmissions of other people? Yeah. That's why if everyone else starts running in one direction, you follow them and start running with them. Or if everyone is excited, you feel excited. Or if everyone is going nuts and burning cop cars, you start smashing windows and doing riot stuff. It's all because you're receiving parts of other people's transmissions to their brains.

But okay, it's just an idea.

I don't think this is actually the way stuff works, but here was my inspiration for this idea: I was just sitting around outside and watching ants walking around. So I was thinking, like, how do they know to forage for food? How do flies find poop to land in? Especially with the short lifespans of such creatures and the fact that their brains would be incredibly tiny. Do they even have the capacity to speak in some weird ant-language and instruct their own kind on how to live? How do they know to burrow underground and store food for the winter? Maybe it's animal instinct, but instinct is almost like there is an outside force controlling them, telling them what they need to do.

So anyway, there's that thing. If you can come up with 'flaws', I can just make up ideas to explain how my idea overcomes those flaws. Logic has no power in the imaginationverse.


Idea #2

Similar type of idea, another "what if" idea that I actually wrote as a blog on another website 'as a joke', but then I started thinking about it, and was like "What if I'm onto something here?"

The idea is simple: Aliens.

That's the whole idea. It's just fucking aliens. Super-intelligent, flying-saucer piloting, big-black-eyed motherfuckers. So what if they made us? Actually, what if they didn't just make us, but they rule us? This isn't some reptillian illuminati shit. I mean, they just use mind-control devices from space to make us do stuff. All the religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism - they created it all to control us. All the 'miracles' are just aliens doing stuff.

They're not threatened by us, and really have no desire to try and 'contact' us. We're guinea pigs and they keep us around just because we're like pets. Maybe some alien kid was like "Hey, space-mom, space-dad, can I start a human civilization? I've got a planet picked out and everything!" and his parents reluctantly agreed, and so we were created. Eventually, the parents came around, and the space-mom was like "Awww, look, they're making their little cute cities with the cars, just like on the box!", referring to the store-bought 'Start your own human civilization' kit, which says if you give the humans proper sanitation and healthcare, they will start building skyscrapers and cars. And global warming? The aliens don't give a fuck. Aliens don't care about environmentalism. They'll just blow up a star if they don't like where it's spinning. They sure as hell don't care about altering things here and there, so if we alter some little planet somewhere, they're like "Whatever."

More importantly, if you look at the 'greys', they look humanesque. This is probably because our imaginations led us to visualize aliens as something that would be similar to us. But it could be the opposite. They could be the same creatures as us, but separated by evolution. On their planet, there is more gravity, so they're shorter, and there is less light, so their eyes are bigger. Our hands and noses and everything just kind of adjusted to this environment. So maybe they just came to Earth to live here, and the survivors turned out to be us. But we've spent 200,000 years changing, and our social norms and language are now so different than theirs that they don't even know how to communicate with us, and have decided to just kinda let us go and not worry about it. They may have landed on other planets where they lost contact with the colonies, and those creatures evolved into something unique to that particular planet.

It's also possible that when they first decided to colonize our worlds, that they send out ships in all directions to different planets, but because of the distance between stars that by the time they developed the means to teleport around the universe and check on us, we had changed so dramatically that it was almost impossible to tell the difference between their race and ours.

The inspiration for this just comes from how different some people look from each other around the world. These changes probably didn't take hundreds of thousands of years. Some people are pale white, some are super-dark and almost black. Some people are ashamed of their bodies, others run around naked. Some have pointy long noses, others have flat noses. So, we here on this one planet can change heavily, and so heavily that there are 'tribes' that we don't even know how to communicate with. But also, we have technology that they can't even begin to imagine. We can just fly over natives of the rainforest in helicopters and take digital pictures of them, and they have no idea what is even happening, or why. How we're able to do it would be fruitless to try and explain.




So there ya go. A couple of weird ideas I have.

So, what do you think about these ideas? What are some ideas you have about human existence or society?

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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
June 03 2015 09:07 GMT
#2
I'm not too much into alien stuff therefore I can only comment on the first idea.

The whole 'virtual helmet' thing is actually a topic in philosophy, linked to various alternatives (i.e. Socratic dream: how do we know that this is not a dream? / Brain in a vat thought experiment / Descartes' Demon). Here is a link if you want to read more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9612 Posts
June 03 2015 09:11 GMT
#3
Idea 1 is actually an interesting metaphor for the way we use our brains to process thoughts.
Although we have a bit more influence on our shit than just being a receiving device, its pretty hard and requires lengthy training to be able to stop thinking, so 'receiving' thoughts is pretty much how it works. It appears our receiving gear has been gifted with some amount of will power though, for better or worse i suppose.
The example about ants reminds me more of genetic predisposition towards certain behaviour, which has evolved over a long period of time. In this way there certainly is a controlling outside force that is invisible.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13973 Posts
June 03 2015 09:34 GMT
#4
I like the cat 5/5
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Textual
Profile Joined June 2014
Saudi Arabia57 Posts
June 03 2015 10:03 GMT
#5
On June 03 2015 17:58 ninazerg wrote:
I don't think this is actually the way stuff works


Neither do I. As you point out, there's no reason for assuming that there is a "spirit world", and it's hard to get anywhere with Idea 1 without that. There are lots of specific explanations you give - like why we run away when other people are running away - that are already very satisfactorily explained by psychologists, sociologists, and other empirical wizards.

Poetic and philosophical daydreams can be fun though, and they don't need to correspond with the world to be valuable or interesting. So thanks.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 03 2015 10:32 GMT
#6
definitely needed more cat (pancakes too)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Gowerly
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom916 Posts
June 03 2015 10:52 GMT
#7
I think #1 would experience lag. Would be like trying to play Brood War from the moon.
This is assuming that our entire universe is not a simulation running from that spirit realm where laws of physics need not apply.

Same for #2 if they assume direct control, again, unless we're a simulation running some kind of delay mitigating tech, which could be entirely possible.

There's also the Roko's Basilisk idea that we're being controlled, but in a way where we make this unconscious choice to work towards a longer term goal.

Bonus points for the correct kind of pancakes.
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weikor
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria580 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-03 11:03:22
June 03 2015 10:55 GMT
#8
I think the first one is something you can think about! I like it a lot.

The second one, yeah ... can someone pass me the aluminum foil? i need to make a hat to keep the rays of the buddhist aliens out..
Dont go along that path, or many many more cats will follow!

more seriously:
the second one is so unlikely im just going to say impossible, they would have had to invest unreasonable recources into keeping something like that hidden.
a) If something could do something so remarkable as that - why would they?
b) By our knowledge, space travel is very limited. Nothing goes faster than lightspeed, and the nearest star is 2 years away.

There are tons of casual science magazine articles discussing the problems of Aliens existing, even reaching us or wanting anything to do with us.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 03 2015 11:33 GMT
#9
Did you read Herbert and Weber at the same time ?
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 03 2015 11:54 GMT
#10
Idea #2 isn't the most original thing in the world . Always a possible explanation to the Fermi paradox.

And honestly, people are not that different. We like to think we are, because that justifies all the shit that's going on in the world, but when it comes down to it we're really apes standing straight.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44205 Posts
June 03 2015 12:59 GMT
#11
The first assumption is that there is some kind of 'spirit world'.


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Savant.GL
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany502 Posts
June 03 2015 13:00 GMT
#12
I don't really understand what you are saying at all
Savant
imgbaby
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
158 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-03 13:24:10
June 03 2015 13:15 GMT
#13
On June 03 2015 22:00 Savant.GL wrote:
I don't really understand what you are saying at all


I think it's like.. a deeper spiritual understanding of God... like the human body is corruptible but God is pure and therefore the human sensory equipment is not experiencing God but the divine soul can experience divinity. Or maybe something like the unconscious mind can perceive something great.

As with many philosophical ideas not everyone has done the contemplation yet to understand.

As ffor the OP, I wonder where the aliens came from. Aren't they too a product of an even greater intelligence. And the ants.. I've always thought ants have an over mind like the zerg. It's controlled by pheremones and antennae. Maybe humans aren't so different. the natural explanation vs. the spritual explanation.
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
June 03 2015 14:13 GMT
#14
I really want pancakes... I wonder if that thought came from someone else?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-03 14:24:10
June 03 2015 14:21 GMT
#15
When I was a kid I used to stare at the stucco on the ceiling for hours and think about stuff like this.

I can only presume you have a similar process. It's amazing what the brain thinks of when you let it wander. No drugs required. I think it gets harder as you get older and things start demanding your attention every waking hour of your existence. Takes a lot to really forget about real world things and just be weird.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 03 2015 14:33 GMT
#16
On June 03 2015 21:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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The first assumption is that there is some kind of 'spirit world'.


Yu Yu Hakusho 5/5


Interesting... You are THAT old...
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2627 Posts
June 03 2015 16:04 GMT
#17
On June 03 2015 23:13 y0su wrote:
I really want pancakes... I wonder if that thought came from someone else?


That may be from me, sorry bro.

As for idea N° 1 its very interesting and not too far off, other people have talked about another world where the mind resides, I remember being taught in highschool about Plato's parable of the cave and it was kind of similar, about how what we experience phisically is just a shadow of the real world. Or something like that I was never good with philosophy.

Also it would make a kick ass manga plot.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
June 03 2015 16:14 GMT
#18
ninazerg makes the rest of her gender look like bumbling idiots. 5/5
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-03 16:43:36
June 03 2015 16:39 GMT
#19
1) you've been around yoko too much
2) you two should meet up for some milk and pose for a picture and share it with TL
3) What about licit drugs? I got you innit innit??
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
June 03 2015 16:40 GMT
#20
1) You should start a religion and get rich (would require good lawyers)
2) Then start another one and get richer (you can just use the same lawyers)
??) Profit
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