Everyone demands so much respect for their opinions even when all they're doing is just repeating back some tired advice they read somewhere else, and worst of all it's advice that doesn't work - advice that doesn't even make sense! It's pretty sad as well because of how it can be seen that it doesn't even work for them as well. It wouldn't bother me as much if I could just ignore it, but when that's all that's given, when that's all that seems to be there... People endlessly parroting back and forth things they just heard somewhere else without any of themselves in it... In one sense they can be forgiven (although not entirely) because they're likely so incompetent at coming up with anything of their own that of course they'll end up relying on bullshit they found somewhere else. Evidence is given of that in how they don't seem to even notice how off what they're repeating back is. Again, this wouldn't be so bad in of itself, but since this is a problem even with the audience looking in as well it ends up feeling very restrictive. I could tell them off or attempt to even just point it out, but if it's at odds with the audience of people around, they'll often just jump in or take part. They'll do it in exactly the same way as well. In a way I'm setting myself up exactly for this to happen but at least it's more direct towards the problem. I can't just try to accept it by pretending it's something other than what it is, but perhaps I can be alright with this if I stop caring as much about it. Perhaps it's alright if people just react that way and I shouldn't make too much of it and just be able to let it happen. Perhaps I'm better off not pretending to respect stupid opinions. Let's see how this goes...
On December 16 2014 02:44 CosmicSpiral wrote: And yet while you say this, you are thinking "this applies to everyone but me".
Yes, I'm comparing the opinions of others to my own, and deeming my opions are of higher quality. The idea that something could apply to pretty much everyone else and not me is not incorrect in of itself. At that point you might as well just argue the majority is always correct.
On December 16 2014 02:44 CosmicSpiral wrote: And yet while you say this, you are thinking "this applies to everyone but me".
Yes, I'm comparing the opinions of others to my own, and deeming my opions are of higher quality. The idea that something could apply to pretty much everyone else and not me is not incorrect in of itself. At that point you might as well just argue the majority is always correct.
How quaint. It's not like most people believe the exact same thing, but I'm sure you're a special exception.
On December 16 2014 02:44 CosmicSpiral wrote: And yet while you say this, you are thinking "this applies to everyone but me".
Yes, I'm comparing the opinions of others to my own, and deeming my opions are of higher quality. The idea that something could apply to pretty much everyone else and not me is not incorrect in of itself. At that point you might as well just argue the majority is always correct.
How quaint. It's not like most people believe the exact same thing, but I'm sure you're a special exception.
What matters is Why they believe that. If you sit back and never reveal it just because you could be wrong or some person could find some flaw in it, you leave yourself vulnerable to having very stunted ideas, they can't develop or grow. So yes, I believe my ideas tend to be better than those around me, and so does pretty much everyone else, but what's the point in hiding that or pretending like I don't think that? Also, yes, I am a special exception, I actually have confidence in my opinions, and the confidence to look at where they may be wrong as well. How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
On December 16 2014 02:44 CosmicSpiral wrote: And yet while you say this, you are thinking "this applies to everyone but me".
Yes, I'm comparing the opinions of others to my own, and deeming my opions are of higher quality. The idea that something could apply to pretty much everyone else and not me is not incorrect in of itself. At that point you might as well just argue the majority is always correct.
How quaint. It's not like most people believe the exact same thing, but I'm sure you're a special exception.
You are assuming that he is wrong. But some people simply are right. Simply better than others. We don't know whether this person is or isn't.
On December 16 2014 02:44 CosmicSpiral wrote: And yet while you say this, you are thinking "this applies to everyone but me".
Yes, I'm comparing the opinions of others to my own, and deeming my opions are of higher quality. The idea that something could apply to pretty much everyone else and not me is not incorrect in of itself. At that point you might as well just argue the majority is always correct.
How quaint. It's not like most people believe the exact same thing, but I'm sure you're a special exception.
You are assuming that he is wrong. But some people simply are right. Simply better than others. We don't know whether this person is or isn't.
On December 16 2014 04:15 Kupon3ss wrote: The obvious question is why are people even coming to you with advice if you're not asking for it
If you just improved yourself to a point where that stops happening, then you'll be fine
People often can come to me with advice when they can see that I'm not happy, that part in of itself doesn't bother me. They probably do this because in some ways I really am quite unhappy but the reasons why they think that's the case are often so wrong.. So off that it gets pretty frustrating, and it's even worse when it shows an awful view of how they think about me. Even that in of itself wouldn't be that bad but the even bigger problem is it's hard to stop them or correct them, to some extent that can show they care but in another way it leaves me feeling like they don't really care enough to really try to understand me or even really listen to me. When you get right down to it I'm just lonely, I don't have enough people to talk to that I can relate to in a way that leaves me feeling I'm understood. I'm not really sure how I can "transcend" this other than just solving the problem, in a way that's what I'm trying to do right now by posting this. Considering I don't really know very clearly what I'm looking for though, or how to successfully do this I'm probably doing it in a very rough and hap-hazrd way. So yeah, I agree, if I just improved myself the problems wouldn't be, but I can't just snap my fingers and be there, it's a process. (a process where I have no idea wtf I'm doing)
This might be a bit elitist, but well, the general public isn't that bright. Most of them are really easily swayed to vote (for example) by extremely simple and petty reasons. Or groups of them have become so hopelessly biased that reason doesn't work on them anymore - everything is twisted to support a pre-conveived worldview.
I wouldn't be surprised if the advice of other people was annoying or useless. For what its worth I would try my best to accept that most of the advice is going to be wrongheaded, and simply learn to ignore it because there's nothing else you can do about it. I think that's what most broadcasters learn as well, and partially why moderators are so important in chat (though I still love twitch chat in all its chaos ).
On December 16 2014 05:36 radscorpion9 wrote: This might be a bit elitist, but well, the general public isn't that bright. Most of them are really easily swayed to vote (for example) by extremely simple and petty reasons. Or groups of them have become so hopelessly biased that reason doesn't work on them anymore - everything is twisted to support a pre-conveived worldview.
I wouldn't be surprised if the advice of other people was annoying or useless. For what its worth I would try my best to accept that most of the advice is going to be wrongheaded, and simply learn to ignore it because there's nothing else you can do about it. I think that's what most broadcasters learn as well, and partially why moderators are so important in chat (though I still love twitch chat in all its chaos ).
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
On December 16 2014 04:42 Kupon3ss wrote: there are some who would argue that if you have no idea wtf you're doing, advice is helpful
Yeah, advice that works is helpful... It's not that I don't want advice, I want good advice...
But chances are you're so clueless on the situation that you don't know what is good advice or not. Thus, all the advice is helpful. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. Thus, at the start, even the shit is helpful.
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
hahaha, wtf?
That's it? That's all I get?
Sorry, it's just I don't know what to make of it, seems like you're just being silly, it's pretty entertaining though.
On December 16 2014 07:23 Yorbon wrote: Haha, this is getting great. Demonym, what exactly do you mean by a reasoned bias and how is such a having such a bias preferable to being unbiased?
The thinking is more along the lines that being unbiased isn't even technically possible but rather that some forms of bias are better than others. You can actually see this sometimes when observing other people, like children that love dinosaurs that read about dinosaurs vs a kid who read it but doesn't even really like dinosaurs much.
often times you can adjust your bias if it's not favorable to your performance in something, like lets say you don't really like a match up like zvz, if you can look for a way in which it can be fun or something in particular you already like about it and expand on that rather than focusing on the parts you don't like or annoy you, you can change your bias towards the mu from being "zvz sucks" to "zvz is pretty fun actually". Not only will it make you more inclined to play it more often, but even directly in the moment of the experience you'll probably absorb more from it.
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
hahaha, wtf?
That's it? That's all I get?
Sorry, it's just I don't know what to make of it, seems like you're just being silly, it's pretty entertaining though.
But don't you find snippets of truth within humor?
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
This is the best advice I think you could ask for.
On December 16 2014 07:23 Yorbon wrote: Haha, this is getting great. Demonym, what exactly do you mean by a reasoned bias and how is such a having such a bias preferable to being unbiased?
The thinking is more along the lines that being unbiased isn't even technically possible but rather that some forms of bias are better than others. You can actually see this sometimes when observing other people, like children that love dinosaurs that read about dinosaurs vs a kid who read it but doesn't even really like dinosaurs much.
often times you can adjust your bias if it's not favorable to your performance in something, like lets say you don't really like a match up like zvz, if you can look for a way in which it can be fun or something in particular you already like about it and expand on that rather than focusing on the parts you don't like or annoy you, you can change your bias towards the mu from being "zvz sucks" to "zvz is pretty fun actually". Not only will it make you more inclined to play it more often, but even directly in the moment of the experience you'll probably absorb more from it.
In the case of zvz, given that you are to play that match-up, seeing positive things in it is obviously preferable to thinking it sucks, especially when performing in zvz is to be optimized. I certainly agree. Imo, it would actually be the rational choice. Now let's take a look at your situation. In the case of getting advice on life, given you run into it sooner or later, wouldn't it be beneficial for your performance in life to see the positive aspects of the advice people give you, instead of saying it sucks, or going even further, the people suck?
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
hahaha, wtf?
That's it? That's all I get?
Sorry, it's just I don't know what to make of it, seems like you're just being silly, it's pretty entertaining though.
But don't you find snippets of truth within humor?
Well I'll look it over again and see what I can find.
Well yeah, it'd be pretty bad if I just decided to ignore people before even hearing what it is they have to say, mostly what I was talking about was how I often always continue to listen to what people are saying even when I could tell it wasn't going to be worthwhile.
Something else you may not know is I often find praise quite painful, especially when it feels like it's not genuine praise.
The whole thing was just me complaining about advice being given to me that I didn't want or like and being annoyed that it's considered so rude to turn it down when it feels like they're being rude to me by pushing it on me from my pov.
Yeah, they often react in a way similar to what you describe here, that I'm just discarding them because I'm discarding what they're telling me. I guess it can feel that way if you're doing it with the intent of being nice but I can't just accept something and just be alright with it because someone is just trying to be nice. It comes off to me like if they really cared that they'd want to know if they're really helping me or not.
On December 16 2014 07:23 Yorbon wrote: Haha, this is getting great. Demonym, what exactly do you mean by a reasoned bias and how is such a having such a bias preferable to being unbiased?
The thinking is more along the lines that being unbiased isn't even technically possible but rather that some forms of bias are better than others. You can actually see this sometimes when observing other people, like children that love dinosaurs that read about dinosaurs vs a kid who read it but doesn't even really like dinosaurs much.
often times you can adjust your bias if it's not favorable to your performance in something, like lets say you don't really like a match up like zvz, if you can look for a way in which it can be fun or something in particular you already like about it and expand on that rather than focusing on the parts you don't like or annoy you, you can change your bias towards the mu from being "zvz sucks" to "zvz is pretty fun actually". Not only will it make you more inclined to play it more often, but even directly in the moment of the experience you'll probably absorb more from it.
In the case of zvz, given that you are to play that match-up, seeing positive things in it is obviously preferable to thinking it sucks, especially when performing in zvz is to be optimized. I certainly agree. Imo, it would actually be the rational choice. Now let's take a look at your situation. In the case of getting advice on life, given you run into it sooner or later, wouldn't it be beneficial for your performance in life to see the positive aspects of the advice people give you, instead of saying it sucks, or going even further, the people suck?
(that's pretty cool, this is actually getting closer to good advice) Well sure that'd be better, I actaully have that same idea too, I'm just not sure how to make it happen. I guess I just don't know where much of the positive things are in what they're telling me to build on, also I get a little bit carried away with the frustration, tho this venting right now seems to be helping with that.
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
hahaha, wtf?
That's it? That's all I get?
Sorry, it's just I don't know what to make of it, seems like you're just being silly, it's pretty entertaining though.
But don't you find snippets of truth within humor?
Well I'll look it over again and see what I can find.
Well yeah, it'd be pretty bad if I just decided to ignore people before even hearing what it is they have to say, mostly what I was talking about was how I often always continue to listen to what people are saying even when I could tell it wasn't going to be worthwhile.
Something else you may not know is I often find praise quite painful, especially when it feels like it's not genuine praise.
The whole thing was just me complaining about advice being given to me that I didn't want or like and being annoyed that it's considered so rude to turn it down when it feels like they're being rude to me by pushing it on me from my pov.
Yeah, they often react in a way similar to what you describe here, that I'm just discarding them because I'm discarding what they're telling me. I guess it can feel that way if you're doing it with the intent of being nice but I can't just accept something and just be alright with it because someone is just trying to be nice. It comes off to me like if they really cared that they'd want to know if they're really helping me or not.
If these people are giving you advice, they may deem it necessary that you hear it because they have likely went through a similar experience and figured that the advice will help you out. You're free to ignore the advice, that's a given. After all, it's your right however listening to advice that isn't worthy is up to you. It's the social norm to continue listening imo. If you feel the advice isn't worth your time, you can probably find a way to cut the person off depending on what they are speaking about and just say "thanks but no thanks, I'm good" or "thanks but I think I can figure it out". That way, you acknowledge that you are grateful for what they said so far but don't want to hear more.
Well, of course. Praising someone who you feel doesn't deserve it or having someone praise you for something you didn't deserve doesn't feel great because you realize that you/they didn't earn the praise. In all honesty, I think this is a silly complaint. You can just as easily stop a conversation and thank someone instead of listening to them forcefully then complaining that it was a waste of time/didn't help you/wasn't wanted but that's my opinion
Also, nina, great post as always. Keep them coming! lol.
So either everyone's giving you bad advice or you're not a good judge of what is bad advice. Either everyone sucks or you're ignoring the one common denominator in all your interactions.
Being naive or easily persuaded is likely not a good thing; than again neither is arrogance and notions of excessive exceptionalism.
Learning to think critically and discern poor opinions founded on little to nothing versus a well structured and factually based set of ideas is a life long skill. (Or any advice stemming from either) Being generally dismissive is no better than being generally inclusive. Instead of coming to some broad conclusion about the usefulness of others opinions or ideas, you are better off deciding what merits a good opinion or set of ideas when you see them, and their opposites.
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
I have some advice, which you may or may not choose to accept based on the fact that I am a person, and 'people suck'. Actually, this is less of advice and more of a rule: you don't randomly capitalize the initial character of a word in the middle of the sentence, like "Should". If you are doing this for emphasis, I would recommend learning how to use italics, or even using capitalization to indicate you are significantly RAISING your voice for added emphasis.
Also, congratulations on coming to the conclusion that you should not listen other peoples' opinions. This notion is so oddly simple as a concept that it makes me wonder why nobody, especially people on reality television, have thought of this. See, I knew this one girl who claimed she didn't care about anyone's opinions, but when offered a positive opinion concerning herself, she accepted it, giving credence to the possibility that she, despite her assertion of (and pardon my French) 'not giving a fuck about what anybody says about me', does, in fact, give a fuck.
In all probability, you were most likely recently given advice from someone that you followed and the situation you hoped would ameliorate upon the initiation of following this advice quickly deteriorated, leaving you dejected and ireful. At least, that what I imagine happened, but you could have very well just have been sitting around one day, sipping orange juice and playing some good ol' Donkey Kong 64 and in between collecting golden bananas, a thought popped into your head: "Hey wait a minute! Peoples' advice sucks!" and just had to get up and post it on your fancy computer-phone, cuz that's just latest craze with all the kids these days. However, do not despair! The advice given was a dying breath of human empathy, lost in a fast-paced, high-pressure modern world, one so out-of-sync with nature that our greatest ambitions are reduced to blurbs, and where we are robbed so dearly of our expression and hope that even tiniest bits of useful advice become shining beacons of hope for those deprived and starving for significance in an otherwise meaningless existence. And by some small measure of hope, they hope to pass on to you the same reassurance they felt when first hearing the advice they were someday destined to give, that even in some small way, it would help you.
But you bat it away carelessly! Their good intentions are dashed upon the rocks of your anger. They were like ants, offering up crumbs to huge god in the sky (you) who simply said "It is not enough! Why do you peons belittle my name with such blasphemy? Do you dare to insult my intelligence with such parsimonious offerings?" as the ants, from their tiny mound in the earth, hold the gifts higher and reply "Please, Lord, do not be angry with us, for our hearts and our brains are small, but this we give to you as a sign of our good will." and you reply with a can of Raid, saying, "Cursed be your kind, for what you have offered me is counted as trash."
Wow. Woooooooow. Can one rent you to write such texts on a regular basis? This is fucking awesome.
On December 16 2014 02:44 CosmicSpiral wrote: And yet while you say this, you are thinking "this applies to everyone but me".
Yes, I'm comparing the opinions of others to my own, and deeming my opions are of higher quality. The idea that something could apply to pretty much everyone else and not me is not incorrect in of itself. At that point you might as well just argue the majority is always correct.
How quaint. It's not like most people believe the exact same thing, but I'm sure you're a special exception.
You are assuming that he is wrong. But some people simply are right. Simply better than others. We don't know whether this person is or isn't.
"You are assuming that he isn't President Obama. But some person simply is President Obama. We don't know whether this person is or isn't."
"You are assuming that he isn't a Chinese billionaire. But some people simply are Chinese billionaires. We don't know whether this person is or isn't."
"You are assuming that he isn't in the <1% peak of human intelligence. But some people simply are in the <1% peak of human intelligence. We don't know whether this person is or isn't."
Pro logic tip 101: When a person makes an extraordinary claim, we don't assume the validity of a positive affirmation based on probability. That is an argument from ignorance. Instead we assume modus tollens until sufficient evidence is provided.
On December 16 2014 02:44 CosmicSpiral wrote: And yet while you say this, you are thinking "this applies to everyone but me".
Yes, I'm comparing the opinions of others to my own, and deeming my opions are of higher quality. The idea that something could apply to pretty much everyone else and not me is not incorrect in of itself. At that point you might as well just argue the majority is always correct.
How quaint. It's not like most people believe the exact same thing, but I'm sure you're a special exception.
What matters is Why they believe that. If you sit back and never reveal it just because you could be wrong or some person could find some flaw in it, you leave yourself vulnerable to having very stunted ideas, they can't develop or grow. So yes, I believe my ideas tend to be better than those around me, and so does pretty much everyone else, but what's the point in hiding that or pretending like I don't think that? Also, yes, I am a special exception, I actually have confidence in my opinions, and the confidence to look at where they may be wrong as well. How about you just get straight to your point and reveal how you think I Should think about it.
Your weak-ass argument is just rehashing circular logic. You have no schema for determining what constitutes a "better" opinion other than two facets of your personality (the claims are equally dubious considering what you've posted in the past), which are irrelevant to the actual state of the opinion.
Post an opinion and prove the following:
A) Your opinion is valid. B) Your opinion is sound. C) Your opinion is lucid. D) Your opinion is sufficiently descriptive so it can incorporate new evidence and respond to permutations of the hypothetical that produce a different stance. E) Your opinion is as complete as pragmatically possible.
And I'll judge whether the structure of your opinions have any merit. You are certainly not in a position to do so.
Let me take a moment to discuss relativism with you weirdos. Oh fuck it whatever. This is is too fucked up.
Anyway OP most of what you and I believe about most things are just values and knowledge that come from other places, we often don't know where or when we acquired them, we don't know who we're "parroting" because in many cases we've integrated the things that we've heard to our own sets of beliefs about the world and whatnot. So it's not really parroting, we all have various influences, we use our own current beliefs and "anti-bullshit self-defense mechanisms" to weed out some of the wrong information (and some of the accurate information too). If you discuss anything that matters in the slightest, your opinions are built on the shoulders of people who have thought about the things before you did. Their arguments are at least reasoned in some way (in many cases).
So the parroting is not the problem, not at all, it's a symptom. The problem, and we're all guilty of this, is that we're flawed and we have no good way of deciding what's true and what isn't. So the problem is not people, but rather, our lack of an ability to think the world in an effective way.
We could argue all day about whether "rationality" is the correct way to look at the world, it certainly is in some cases, but if we were to assume that rationality actually is the prism through which we want to form our beliefs and opinions, then it's obvious that many people struggle with that. In the end, if we want people to be rational, it's pointless to whine about how people are stupid, but rather, we should try to pursue some form of basic education on logic and critical thinking for our children.
Now that's proper criticism of our society. People are not encouraged to think critically. People do parrot the last shit they heard ad nauseam but it's not because they're dumbshit, it's because they're taught to (or rather, they're not taught to think, they're taught to execute predefined tasks). Now being taught about critical thinking and logic in a philosophy class won't "fix" us, we're always going to have stupid opinions. I'm sure many of the things that I believe are fucking stupid and have no basis in reality, same with you, but that's okay. But people might do better if they were taught that not everything you see on TV is true (for instance). And they're told that, but they don't believe it, not really. I don't believe it either, not always.
I would bet some serious money that you watched too many TV shows (or other media, I suppose) with anti-heroes when you were younger, LOVED their cynicism because WOW THAT'S SO DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc, and started slowly modelling yourself after them because you NEED TO BE DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc.
Now you're basically a walking fallacy (take a logic class, maybe; CosmicSpiral has some damn good points) who hemorrhages cynicism that some philosopher with Dysthymia wrote down, and just so happens to sound exactly like what you imagine all your idols' thoughts to sound like. News flash: nobody cares about that type of person in real life because there's no script to force them into a relationship. Also, you're wasting your life by shitting all over everybody in it. Get over it; get over yourself.
EDIT: I actually sound like quite the asshole here, so I'll just add a few things. What I'm trying to say is that cynicism, to me, is more of a parroting perspective than optimism. But you don't have to agree with this. Assuming my previous statement is wrong, for arguments sake, cynicism certainly leads inevitably to isolation and a sort of solipsistic arrogance that eventually becomes some form of depression or other adverse side-effects. Eg. "The world sucks, and I'm the only one who is reasonable. What's the point?"
It flat-out does not make sense to me why you'd want to think like this (returning to my quirky, unique, anti-hero statement) when more frequent optimism is so much undeniably better. This implied assertion that cynicism > optimism is what really bothers me. Hell, even faked optimism has measurably better health effects than no optimism.
I wasn't going to respond because many others have the same sentiment.
However, Demon your blog comes off as "I am better than you. Don't you dare try to give me your advice, because I already know everything."
Did you expect to get many sympathetic replies that will defend your honor and words? Or were you ready for all the people that want to say "fuck you asshole" (well not verbatim)?
Also, why do you feel it is rude when someone offers advice? Unsolicited advice or not, I highly doubt they are thinking "Let me be rude and give him some advice." My assumption is this thought process, "Oh this guy looks like he can use some words of advice and assurance. Let me give him the advice my great-great-great-great grandmother passed down through the generations, which helped me through my darkest time".
As well, its possible to dismiss someone's advice politely. Or do you feel it is necessary to shoot down someone's advice because you don't like it?
When I re-read your post, my impression of you is that of a self-entitled teenager that has a bad case of the "I know everything already". I could be totally wrong, But it doesn't matter, because you won't listen to my advice anyways.
PS. ninazerg never failed to amuse me with your witty replies.
On December 17 2014 07:08 Meepman wrote: I would bet some serious money that you watched too many TV shows (or other media, I suppose) with anti-heroes when you were younger, LOVED their cynicism because WOW THAT'S SO DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc, and started slowly modelling yourself after them because you NEED TO BE DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc.
Now you're basically a walking fallacy (take a logic class, maybe; CosmicSpiral has some damn good points) who hemorrhages cynicism that some philosopher with Dysthymia wrote down, and just so happens to sound exactly like what you imagine all your idols' thoughts to sound like. News flash: nobody cares about that type of person in real life because there's no script to force them into a relationship. Also, you're wasting your life by shitting all over everybody in it. Get over it; get over yourself.
EDIT: I actually sound like quite the asshole here, so I'll just add a few things. What I'm trying to say is that cynicism, to me, is more of a parroting perspective than optimism. But you don't have to agree with this. Assuming my previous statement is wrong, for arguments sake, cynicism certainly leads inevitably to isolation and a sort of solipsistic arrogance that eventually becomes some form of depression or other adverse side-effects. Eg. "The world sucks, and I'm the only one who is reasonable. What's the point?"
It flat-out does not make sense to me why you'd want to think like this (returning to my quirky, unique, anti-hero statement) when more frequent optimism is so much undeniably better. This implied assertion that cynicism > optimism is what really bothers me. Hell, even faked optimism has measurably better health effects than no optimism.
I didn't get this attitude from tv, a lot of it is just the side-effects of my life and the way I just happen to be. I have found it strange so far though the way people have described me. I think in person if I were to hear someone describe me this way or treated me like this is how I'm being I'd just get annoyed and get caught up in the whole, they're misunderstanding me again, blah. The thing is I'm not really sure how I do come off most of the time, because as much as people may have trouble identifying with me because of how different I am, that contributes to my difficulty understanding others as well. Basically the more different two people are, the further that has to be gone in order to be able to relate.
Tbh the idea of trying to be like some character from a movie or tv show is a bit hard for me to relate to. I really don't like tv or movies much, same with philosophy too really. If you want an idea of my childhood most of it was spent up in my room playing with lego. I guess most of my life I didn't really have anyone I looked up to or saw much in, the most I learned from observing other people wasn't on how to be but rather on how not to be (learning from watching their mistakes).
On December 17 2014 09:47 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Well this blog was slightly entertaining.
I wasn't going to respond because many others have the same sentiment.
However, Demon your blog comes off as "I am better than you. Don't you dare try to give me your advice, because I already know everything."
Did you expect to get many sympathetic replies that will defend your honor and words? Or were you ready for all the people that want to say "fuck you asshole" (well not verbatim)?
Also, why do you feel it is rude when someone offers advice? Unsolicited advice or not, I highly doubt they are thinking "Let me be rude and give him some advice." My assumption is this thought process, "Oh this guy looks like he can use some words of advice and assurance. Let me give him the advice my great-great-great-great grandmother passed down through the generations, which helped me through my darkest time".
As well, its possible to dismiss someone's advice politely. Or do you feel it is necessary to shoot down someone's advice because you don't like it?
When I re-read your post, my impression of you is that of a self-entitled teenager that has a bad case of the "I know everything already". I could be totally wrong, But it doesn't matter, because you won't listen to my advice anyways.
PS. ninazerg never failed to amuse me with your witty replies.
it's demonym, not demon, it's pronounced differently as well, demo-nim. It's actually a term you can find used on wikipedia if you search an article relating to a country. Canada's demonym would be canadian or canuck.
I actually consider this blog post a pretty big success all-in-all, but I suppose it's not really clear what I'm going for here.
-I'm venting frustration -I'm using this as a means of practice for finding ways of responding to bad advice -I'm using this as a means for finding out what people react to and in what way -most importantly, I'm trying to find people I can relate to in a way that's pretty much lacking atm, someone who can give me "good" advice.
So don't feel too discouraged if I don't happen to like your advice or disagree with it, you're still being helpful.
If you're impression of me is wrong then it's pretty hard for you to give good advice.
On December 17 2014 06:14 Djzapz wrote: Let me take a moment to discuss relativism with you weirdos. Oh fuck it whatever. This is is too fucked up.
Anyway OP most of what you and I believe about most things are just values and knowledge that come from other places, we often don't know where or when we acquired them, we don't know who we're "parroting" because in many cases we've integrated the things that we've heard to our own sets of beliefs about the world and whatnot. So it's not really parroting, we all have various influences, we use our own current beliefs and "anti-bullshit self-defense mechanisms" to weed out some of the wrong information (and some of the accurate information too). If you discuss anything that matters in the slightest, your opinions are built on the shoulders of people who have thought about the things before you did. Their arguments are at least reasoned in some way (in many cases).
So the parroting is not the problem, not at all, it's a symptom. The problem, and we're all guilty of this, is that we're flawed and we have no good way of deciding what's true and what isn't. So the problem is not people, but rather, our lack of an ability to think the world in an effective way.
We could argue all day about whether "rationality" is the correct way to look at the world, it certainly is in some cases, but if we were to assume that rationality actually is the prism through which we want to form our beliefs and opinions, then it's obvious that many people struggle with that. In the end, if we want people to be rational, it's pointless to whine about how people are stupid, but rather, we should try to pursue some form of basic education on logic and critical thinking for our children.
Now that's proper criticism of our society. People are not encouraged to think critically. People do parrot the last shit they heard ad nauseam but it's not because they're dumbshit, it's because they're taught to (or rather, they're not taught to think, they're taught to execute predefined tasks). Now being taught about critical thinking and logic in a philosophy class won't "fix" us, we're always going to have stupid opinions. I'm sure many of the things that I believe are fucking stupid and have no basis in reality, same with you, but that's okay. But people might do better if they were taught that not everything you see on TV is true (for instance). And they're told that, but they don't believe it, not really. I don't believe it either, not always.
(Nice, an interesting response) The parroting not being the problem is very true. repeating back what you've heard somewhere is kinda the basis of communication and learning words period. All words people use (with rare exception to the ones people made up themselves) is immitation.
On the not knowing when and where we aqcuire our information, while it is true even for me that I'm unsure where all of what I say directly comes from, it's a very worthwhile skill to practice (one I have been training extensively). It's too easy to just say too many polluted things when you can't even keep track of what's entering into your mind and from where. Also there's pretty much no downside to being good at this and a lot of benefits.
Part of the reason I'm being so forward about what I think is because I'm aware that I do think ridiculous things sometimes. I think I'm far more likely to catch what those things are though if I leave myself a bit more open to criticism. I mean really I could probably have posted something really long going into tons of small details but instead I just wrote something really quickly, spell-checked, then hit post.
On December 17 2014 06:14 Djzapz wrote: Let me take a moment to discuss relativism with you weirdos. Oh fuck it whatever. This is is too fucked up.
Anyway OP most of what you and I believe about most things are just values and knowledge that come from other places, we often don't know where or when we acquired them, we don't know who we're "parroting" because in many cases we've integrated the things that we've heard to our own sets of beliefs about the world and whatnot. So it's not really parroting, we all have various influences, we use our own current beliefs and "anti-bullshit self-defense mechanisms" to weed out some of the wrong information (and some of the accurate information too). If you discuss anything that matters in the slightest, your opinions are built on the shoulders of people who have thought about the things before you did. Their arguments are at least reasoned in some way (in many cases).
So the parroting is not the problem, not at all, it's a symptom. The problem, and we're all guilty of this, is that we're flawed and we have no good way of deciding what's true and what isn't. So the problem is not people, but rather, our lack of an ability to think the world in an effective way.
We could argue all day about whether "rationality" is the correct way to look at the world, it certainly is in some cases, but if we were to assume that rationality actually is the prism through which we want to form our beliefs and opinions, then it's obvious that many people struggle with that. In the end, if we want people to be rational, it's pointless to whine about how people are stupid, but rather, we should try to pursue some form of basic education on logic and critical thinking for our children.
Now that's proper criticism of our society. People are not encouraged to think critically. People do parrot the last shit they heard ad nauseam but it's not because they're dumbshit, it's because they're taught to (or rather, they're not taught to think, they're taught to execute predefined tasks). Now being taught about critical thinking and logic in a philosophy class won't "fix" us, we're always going to have stupid opinions. I'm sure many of the things that I believe are fucking stupid and have no basis in reality, same with you, but that's okay. But people might do better if they were taught that not everything you see on TV is true (for instance). And they're told that, but they don't believe it, not really. I don't believe it either, not always.
On the not knowing when and where we aqcuire our information, while it is true even for me that I'm unsure where all of what I say directly comes from, it's a very worthwhile skill to practice (one I have been training extensively). It's too easy to just say too many polluted things when you can't even keep track of what's entering into your mind and from where. Also there's pretty much no downside to being good at this and a lot of benefits.
On December 17 2014 07:08 Meepman wrote: I would bet some serious money that you watched too many TV shows (or other media, I suppose) with anti-heroes when you were younger, LOVED their cynicism because WOW THAT'S SO DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc, and started slowly modelling yourself after them because you NEED TO BE DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc.
Now you're basically a walking fallacy (take a logic class, maybe; CosmicSpiral has some damn good points) who hemorrhages cynicism that some philosopher with Dysthymia wrote down, and just so happens to sound exactly like what you imagine all your idols' thoughts to sound like. News flash: nobody cares about that type of person in real life because there's no script to force them into a relationship. Also, you're wasting your life by shitting all over everybody in it. Get over it; get over yourself.
EDIT: I actually sound like quite the asshole here, so I'll just add a few things. What I'm trying to say is that cynicism, to me, is more of a parroting perspective than optimism. But you don't have to agree with this. Assuming my previous statement is wrong, for arguments sake, cynicism certainly leads inevitably to isolation and a sort of solipsistic arrogance that eventually becomes some form of depression or other adverse side-effects. Eg. "The world sucks, and I'm the only one who is reasonable. What's the point?"
It flat-out does not make sense to me why you'd want to think like this (returning to my quirky, unique, anti-hero statement) when more frequent optimism is so much undeniably better. This implied assertion that cynicism > optimism is what really bothers me. Hell, even faked optimism has measurably better health effects than no optimism.
Maybe he just read Catcher In The Rye and really liked it.
On December 17 2014 07:08 Meepman wrote: I would bet some serious money that you watched too many TV shows (or other media, I suppose) with anti-heroes when you were younger, LOVED their cynicism because WOW THAT'S SO DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc, and started slowly modelling yourself after them because you NEED TO BE DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, THOUGHTFUL etc. etc.
Now you're basically a walking fallacy (take a logic class, maybe; CosmicSpiral has some damn good points) who hemorrhages cynicism that some philosopher with Dysthymia wrote down, and just so happens to sound exactly like what you imagine all your idols' thoughts to sound like. News flash: nobody cares about that type of person in real life because there's no script to force them into a relationship. Also, you're wasting your life by shitting all over everybody in it. Get over it; get over yourself.
EDIT: I actually sound like quite the asshole here, so I'll just add a few things. What I'm trying to say is that cynicism, to me, is more of a parroting perspective than optimism. But you don't have to agree with this. Assuming my previous statement is wrong, for arguments sake, cynicism certainly leads inevitably to isolation and a sort of solipsistic arrogance that eventually becomes some form of depression or other adverse side-effects. Eg. "The world sucks, and I'm the only one who is reasonable. What's the point?"
It flat-out does not make sense to me why you'd want to think like this (returning to my quirky, unique, anti-hero statement) when more frequent optimism is so much undeniably better. This implied assertion that cynicism > optimism is what really bothers me. Hell, even faked optimism has measurably better health effects than no optimism.
Maybe he just read Catcher In The Rye and really liked it.
There's lots of sayings people throw around with out much thought, this much is true. But some of those have real truth to them, once you take the time to unpack the meaning on your own. I don't get the idea that you've done that much thinking about them, since you didn't post them here with your comprehensive retort on why it's wrong and people should stop saying it to you (or altogether).
When you bat away advice or arguments without telling people what your concerns about them are, you give people the impression that you've started with the premise "nothing can help" and that you're using it as the perfect defence to every piece of advice. I wouldn't worry about people giving you the same advice for too long, because people usually give up in the face of that. If they see you without any of your own plans, they'll want to help, but if they see you're intent on having no plans, they'll leave you alone after awhile; unless they have a permanent concern about you, ie your parents.
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