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Deductive Logic is Fun

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RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 15:11:34
October 20 2014 03:08 GMT
#1
So I was thinking that maybe I wanted to do a blog about something useful, and I thought, "I wonder if there's a blog on TL about this," and I did a search and there wasn't, so I thought, "hey, why not."

Deductive logic. Has a nice ring to it. Mathy. Maybe you're already intimately familiar with it. But in case you aren't, or you want a refresher, or whatever, I thought I'd try my best to summarize how someone can use deductive logic in a kind of everyday way. The Everyperson's Logic, as it were.

The idea is simple: let's say you have a point you want to make, but not everyone agrees. To convince them, you craft an argument. You have your final point---your conclusion---and to convince people, you have a bunch of other points---premises---that support your conclusion. The idea behind deductive logic is this: strong arguments have conclusions that cannot be false if the premises are true.

Let's look at the following (very simple) argument:

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P1. All carrots are root vegetables.
P2. All root vegetables grow in the ground.
---
C. All carrots grow in the ground.

Where P1 and P2 are premises and C is the conclusion. Note that it is impossible for the conclusion to be false if we agree that the premises are true. Logicians have different words for this---we'll call it "logically coherent" or "valid."


Let's look at another example:

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P1. All dogs love meat.
P2. My cat loves meat.
---
C. My cat is a dog.

This argument is not logically coherent. That is, both premises can be true, but the conclusion may not be true. We can easily conceive of a counterexample---a cat that loves meat but is not a dog.


Let's look at one more:

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P1. Basketball is a team game.
P2. All team games are made of chocolate.
---
C. Basketball is made of chocolate.

Is this argument logically consistent?

Yes.

It is logically consistent because if the premises were true, the conclusion would have to be true.

The problem with this argument is not about its consistency---it's about something else. We could call this it's "soundness," or its "actual truth value," or whatever. In other words, the argument is logically consistent, but we believe one of the premises is false. Let's call a "sound" or "actually true" argument one that is a) logically consistent/valid and b) one in which all premises are indeed true.


In deductive logic, the concern is not with the actual truth value of premises---the concern is with validity/consistency. We can model validity in the same way we model algebraic equations:

P1. If x then y
P2. x
---
C. y

Plug any statement into x and y and the argument will be logically consistent.

If you want to learn more about the theory behind deductive logic, then you'll be looking more at this kind of stuff. But even without knowing how to prove that if x then y is equivalent to not(x and not y), knowing how to break arguments down into their premises and calculate logical consistency is helpful. Why? Because if you can break down an argument into its premises, then one of three things will happen:

a) you will notice a hole in the argument's logic---that is, maybe the argument is not logically consistent. Someone could oppose the argument by presenting a counterexample in which all premises are still true but the conclusion is false.

b) you will notice that the argument is consistent, but that one of the premises is actually false. Someone could oppose the argument by providing a counterexample to that premise.

c) you will notice that the argument is consistent and that all of its premises are plausible. There is no clear way to oppose this argument unless one of the premises is discovered to be false.

So how do you guarantee that your argument is logically consistent?

Well, that's not always easy. But the basic test is this:

Step 1: Write out your premises. Use consistent language (always refer to something the same way, don't use superfluous words, avoid pronouns). Write conditional statements as "if/then." + Show Spoiler [why?] +

Conditional statements are tricky. I made a mistake with one myself when I posted this. Take the statement "If it rains, then the ground will be wet." Let's assume we agree that this statement is true. Now, say we look outside and see that the ground is wet. Does this mean logically that it rained?

No. Just because the ground is wet does not mean it rained.

All this conditional statement tells us is that these two facts will never occur simultaneously: it will never be the case that a) it rains and b) the ground is not wet. But if it doesn't rain then the ground could be wet or dry, and if the ground is wet then it may not have rained.

If you don't write out your conditionals like this, it can be very easy to make a mistake with this, and think that your conditional statement makes your argument logically valid when in fact it does not.

Step 2: Write out your conclusion. Use the same language as your premises.
Step 3: See if you can write out a counterexample---that is, an example in which all the premises are true but the conclusion is false.

If you want, you can model your premises with some basic variables. Like this somewhat unwieldy argument:

P1: An esports game is enjoyable to watch if and only if that esports game lasts at least 25 minutes.
P2: All Starcraft games are Esports games.
P3: 75% of Starcraft games last 25 minutes.
---
C. 75% of Starcraft games are enjoyable to watch.

Modeled as:

P1. An E is W if and only if E is C.
P2. All S are E.
P3. 75% of S are C.
---
C. 75% of S are W.

The language in this argument isn't even as refined as a logician might prefer, but it can still reduce to some simple variables that make the consistency much easier to see.

Have fun with logic!
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
October 20 2014 05:34 GMT
#2
You explained it better than my Philosophy profs. Well done
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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
October 20 2014 05:49 GMT
#3
Just thought I'd mention that the third argument isn't technically valid.

It would be if you changed it to "An esports game is enjoyable to watch if and only if that esports game lasts at least 25 minutes."
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 20 2014 08:14 GMT
#4
I think
---
I am
BoesFX
Profile Joined April 2013
1465 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 11:24:04
October 20 2014 11:20 GMT
#5
On October 20 2014 14:49 Kashll wrote:
Just thought I'd mention that the third argument isn't technically valid.

It would be if you changed it to "An esports game is enjoyable to watch if and only if that esports game lasts at least 25 minutes."


"An esports game is enjoyable to watch only if that esports game lasts at least 25 minutes." is enough or "If an esport game is enjoyable to watch, that game lasts at least 25 minutes."

Nevermind, I was wrong.
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
October 20 2014 13:35 GMT
#6
On October 20 2014 14:49 Kashll wrote:
Just thought I'd mention that the third argument isn't technically valid.

It would be if you changed it to "An esports game is enjoyable to watch if and only if that esports game lasts at least 25 minutes."


Woops, good catch didn't follow my own advice. But hey, a lesson in itself! #thatssometa
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 13:37:24
October 20 2014 13:37 GMT
#7
EDIT: Oops double post
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 20 2014 22:51 GMT
#8
The most important thing I learned in logic is you can prove anything with a false hypothesis
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
October 21 2014 05:21 GMT
#9
You kids should read some A.C.Doyle.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 11:09:22
October 21 2014 11:07 GMT
#10
P1: An esports game is enjoyable to watch if and only if that esports game lasts at least 25 minutes.
P2: All Starcraft games are Esports games.
P3: 75% of Starcraft games last 25 minutes.
---
C. 75% of Starcraft games are enjoyable to watch.

sloppy wording ;p
after p3, c. could still be 100%

then again im not 100% on my english in this one, im not sure "last" could be interpreted the way i was implying so i might be wrong
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RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
October 21 2014 11:17 GMT
#11
On October 21 2014 20:07 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
P1: An esports game is enjoyable to watch if and only if that esports game lasts at least 25 minutes.
P2: All Starcraft games are Esports games.
P3: 75% of Starcraft games last 25 minutes.
---
C. 75% of Starcraft games are enjoyable to watch.

sloppy wording ;p
after p3, c. could still be 100%

then again im not 100% on my english in this one, im not sure "last" could be interpreted the way i was implying so i might be wrong


Yeah, I deliberately wrote that one kind of sloppily because I was thinking to myself, "people who aren't familiar with this will do this kind of sloppily, and I want to show that even messy arguments can be broken down like this." But you're right, P3 should say "at least 25 minutes" if we really want to be careful.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
Baozi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1191 Posts
October 21 2014 15:32 GMT
#12
Well written! I'd like to ask if you plan to keep this blog's scope to first order logic only, and whether you'll go over topics like proof theory or compactness.
Thanks, looking forward to the next post.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
October 22 2014 01:42 GMT
#13
On October 20 2014 17:14 DucK- wrote:
I think
---
I am

It would be more like:
A. If something thinks, it must exist to be capable of thinking.
B. I think.
---
C. I exist.

Both of the premises are not necessarily true, however.
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RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
October 24 2014 01:38 GMT
#14
On October 22 2014 00:32 Baozi wrote:
Well written! I'd like to ask if you plan to keep this blog's scope to first order logic only, and whether you'll go over topics like proof theory or compactness.
Thanks, looking forward to the next post.


Thanks! My intention with this blog was just to cover the basics, since once you get into the more complex logical languages and proofs it's much better to have a classroom environment (plus I don't trust myself to explain all of that well). This stuff can be helpful for anyone, though.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
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