Beautifully written.

Dunno why there's such hostility in some of the comments. The OP is clearly about, well, "losing," as it says in the title. It doesn't even apply to just DK, or just TI4, or even just DotA 2. Aside from the references to ganks and such, it could easily just be about losing in general. Missed opportunities that have a huge impact on how everything plays out, either in life or in a competition. Could've, would've, should've. You remember it, you learn from it, and you move on.

Thanks for this.

Julmust

Sweden4867 Posts

July 21 2014 09:06 GMT

#22

Yeah to the guys who write that DK have no right about being sad since they still got a lot of money. It's not about the money. Of course the money gives the tournament its glory, but for the players this is their world cup. This is the grand finals, the place where everyone is and the place to prove yourself and make your name immortal.

Why do you think that after a loss in the World Cup (football) playoffs you see players cry? They make millions a year and winning the World Cup won't give them that much extra. It's about being able to say you're the best. If you're the goalie in the German team right now you were a part of something. Your team was the best that year. No matter how you got to the finals. No matter if the only goal in the finals was an own goal. You're the best.

I don't think that the winning team this year will be happier then Na`Vi, iG or Alliance were after their wins. They will be just as happy, but not happier. Winning is more then making a living, winning is about knowing you're better then the other team, or in the case of TI: knowing you're the best in the world!

Scarecrow

Korea (South)9172 Posts

July 21 2014 12:10 GMT

#23

On July 21 2014 10:45 Hexo_ wrote:
Easily the gayest shit I've read this year.

Trash posting like this is going to take you far.

It's very difficult to be instantly rational and positive about a loss of this scale during the emotional aftermath. Losses hurt, especially when it's your livelihood and an opportunity that might never come again.

BongChambers

Canada591 Posts

July 21 2014 12:14 GMT

#24

The hate coming from some people in response to the thread is astonishing.

People say how can you care or "it's only a game" ... people don't seem to understand passion.

tertos

Romania394 Posts

July 21 2014 12:48 GMT

#25

On July 21 2014 21:14 BongChambers wrote:
The hate coming from some people in response to the thread is astonishing.

People say how can you care or "it's only a game" ... people don't seem to understand passion.

Because they never played "THE GAME" where you put your time, your hopes and everything you have. And 99% of the times it's not enough and you still come up short.

HeeroFX

United States2704 Posts

July 21 2014 15:40 GMT

#26

Losing is tough, people take it different ways. Heck even in casual pub games losing sucks and the usual response is "Report so and so." Coming from WC 3 and SC 2 I lost a lot of games, but I used that to get better. My mentality is that when I lose I use that as fire to play better. This may not work for everyone, but I feel like respecting why you lost, and then rebuilding to be better is how you become a champion. Granted I am not playing in a $11 Million tournament, but I love competition, and did some small semi-proish tournaments and things.

plogamer

Canada3132 Posts

July 21 2014 20:39 GMT

#27

Well written. <3 It's okay, man.

Drozeisnotmyname

United States33 Posts

July 21 2014 23:55 GMT

#28

What a read man.
What a game.

Aerisky

United States12128 Posts

July 22 2014 06:03 GMT

#29

makes me want to cry :/

seems relevant to my own life atm too :\

CaptainPlatypus

United States852 Posts

July 22 2014 06:54 GMT

#30

And then, next time you lose, if you can remember anything but the loss? You remember the previous losses.

> Life is hard.

Trustworthy-Tony

Tanzania187 Posts

July 22 2014 07:44 GMT

#31

On July 21 2014 10:10 Gako wrote:
Aww I didn't get a million dollars for playing the game I love. Aww my life is so hard. Aww Aww Aww.

User was warned for this post

But but but Mushi played so well! He deserved to win!

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sabas123

Netherlands3122 Posts

July 22 2014 10:06 GMT

#32

Fantastic read.
`
almost made me cry

babishh

Canada965 Posts

July 22 2014 15:17 GMT

#33

if this had been written by someone else other than a TL writer, i'm quite positive it would not receive such attention and approval.

shostakovich

Brazil1429 Posts

July 22 2014 20:00 GMT

#34

On July 23 2014 00:17 babishh wrote:
if this had been written by someone else other than a TL writer, i'm quite positive it would not receive such attention and approval.

Why?

Zealously

East Gorteau22261 Posts

July 22 2014 22:03 GMT

#35

On July 23 2014 00:17 babishh wrote:
if this had been written by someone else other than a TL writer, i'm quite positive it would not receive such attention and approval.

Why do you think that? There is nothing to draw attention to it that's unique to the writer's staff status

loklok

Germany161 Posts

July 23 2014 23:25 GMT

#36

I don't get why people think the price money is so huge. The teams have always a staff with 10-20 people and I'm pretty sure that the players can't keep everything from the price money. But even if you don't consider that, you still have to pay taxes on winnings if I'm not wrong. 4th place means $819,802 and let's assume every player gets $100,000. A good annual salary is about $120000. Sure they have more winnings in the end of the year but they also work way harder and yes they WORK. So yes it can also hurt financially.

Khylol

United States279 Posts

July 24 2014 03:04 GMT

#37

Doesn't valve only pay the prize money directly to the players? I'm pretty sure that's the deal with TI.

Snerd

United States125 Posts

July 24 2014 16:56 GMT

#38

On July 21 2014 10:45 Hexo_ wrote:
Easily the gayest shit I've read this year.

It's so arrogant to be ungrateful on 4th place. It's not enough, DK is "entitled" for the #1, they "deserve" it. If they didn't expect to get to the main event, this would have been a great success. No, instead they have to slit their wrists for losing, after reading this shit and donating their money to Save The Children foundation.

Losing is beautiful, if we substract the money and emotions, all that's left is strategy and losing reveals us the flaws in our strategy. You can learn a book from a loss, but only a paragraph from a win. That is, if you don't want to kill yourself after reading what OP had to say about losing.

A true competitor is never satisfied with anything but first. I guarantee you Arrow Gaming felt the same way when they realized they were knocked out as DK did when they got fourth.
A competitive scene has no room to be content with anything but the best.

zcki

Norway58 Posts

July 25 2014 07:59 GMT

#39

While I agree that this is gayest "shit" I've read this year aswell, this is an amazing depiction of a life defining event.

This post made me remember so many similar moments from my life that led me at worst punching a hole in a wall after being unable to sleep for two nights. It haunts you. It makes you overanalyze an event so many times you start wondering how you actually managed to fail since there are hundreds of ways to change the outcome.
Each person treats a failure differently, for me personally, it gives focus after driving me crazy for a couple of days. It makes the goal I try to achieve much clearer and I know there are plenty of ways to get there.

cheese sandwich

Russian Federation194 Posts

July 30 2014 04:49 GMT

#40

I don't get some of the criticism for this, DK's past 10 months were for TI4. Every pub they played was to improve their mechanics to be better than the rest, the 10 hour days on a pc, Mushi leaving his home country and teammates was so he could win TI. They traveled to almost every international event they could except ESL one. This year with DK winning on New Year's with the 4-3 comeback looked like their year to win. Obviously 4th isn't something to view as a failure, but I think DK can look at this event and know looking at the past year, this was their TI.

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