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DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 21:02:18
July 18 2014 20:57 GMT
#121
On July 19 2014 05:37 Marconos wrote:
And therein lies the problem with non Korean pros. Too many view SC2 not as a job but something fun to do. If you want to be on the top and deserve it it's a job.

Many of us work 12+ hours / day in the non gaming world. You want to excel at anything you have to have drive and passion. At times your passion will wane; that is where, as adults, your drive pushes you through till your passion can be rekindled. Hopefully your time away will allow you to grow up and not be such a petulant child.


Dick.

I find this sad, apart from Scarlett and Naniwa all of my favourite players are Terrans (I play Terran). I really enjoyed Naniwa's play, the sick forcefields etc, and the drama surrounding him. I too would be happy to see him come back for LotV but it seems it is not to be. Farewell, King of the North.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 18 2014 22:05 GMT
#122
I always cheered you Nani, if you come back i will still cheer for you.

If you don't want to come back or choose not to I wish you luck in all your future endeavors.

You Naniwa will always be one of those few that could compete with top koreans, in the end it was your will and your training that got you there. Not your trip to korea and if you choose to, I know you could do it again.

You said it yourself, once your passion ignites again you can just make a comeback and go toe to toe with the best of them. Until that day comes, stay well and good luck with everything.

-A fan that will keep hoping
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 22:17:47
July 18 2014 22:17 GMT
#123
On July 18 2014 22:32 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.

Toxic is such a bullshit word for not being able to articulate why you want him gone. He added a lot to the scene and without players like him the sc2 scene is a lot more boring to follow. You can't say with a straight face sc2 would have been better without him regardless if you like him or not. I'm not saying all he did was for the better but he was an asset to the foreign scene for a long time, asshole or not.

Toxic is a word that is not really ban-worthy.
And what did he really do for the scene ? Ok, he was the best foreigner for a while. But that's irrelevent, he was good at the begining but so was idra, jinro, White-ra or Dimaga.
Then Stephano came, and took the title for more than a year, by far. Then Nani did some kind of comeback, but in the meantime Stephano was still the best foreigner, Lucifron was on fire and Scarlet was rising.
He did nothing that had a big impact on the scene but being an asshole to others players and fans.
I can take idra as an other exemple. Look; noone even talk about him anymore but he was like the biggest symbol of sc2 at his time.
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
July 18 2014 23:52 GMT
#124
On July 18 2014 22:32 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.

Toxic is such a bullshit word for not being able to articulate why you want him gone. He added a lot to the scene and without players like him the sc2 scene is a lot more boring to follow. You can't say with a straight face sc2 would have been better without him regardless if you like him or not. I'm not saying all he did was for the better but he was an asset to the foreign scene for a long time, asshole or not.

Totally agree. Just like sports, eSports needs a small number of controversial figures to liven the scene up. People liked to watch Nani, half wishing he would win and half wishing he would lose (disclaimer: 90% of statistics are made up). Hell, I even wanted him to beat some Terrans and I never, ever support a non-Terran against a Terran usually, not even Scarlett.
VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
July 19 2014 00:02 GMT
#125
You've kept the foreigner flag for quite long.. Maybe not vs T or in PvP (although you either lost too badly or you won too easy in that matchup lol, but your PvZ man, that was probably the games I loved the most.. I bet you hated the guts of those though

But yah - your: Life vs Naniwa finals will forever be remembered as one of the best comebacks ever.. And you almost pulled it for the 3rd time too, but Life did a comeback vs your comeback too

Still - think that at least you should maybe "post your thoughts" more thoroughly rather than just "swarmhost makes games boring" lol.. I mean - Blizz could "profit" in depth from players/thinkers like you, rather than just say "reactively" what you didn't like though

GL HF in life Nani, maybe you weren't loved or you didn't even want that, but certainly you were one of those who we admired the most
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
July 19 2014 00:51 GMT
#126
I've always enjoyed watching you play and would keep cheering for you if you ever came back
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 19 2014 01:01 GMT
#127
<333 Nani, hope you will at least give LotV a try when it drops and see if you like it

Always remember that Nani was one of the only foreigners capable of standing up to the Koreans.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Marconos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States22 Posts
July 19 2014 01:51 GMT
#128
On July 19 2014 05:57 DeadByDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 05:37 Marconos wrote:
And therein lies the problem with non Korean pros. Too many view SC2 not as a job but something fun to do. If you want to be on the top and deserve it it's a job.

Many of us work 12+ hours / day in the non gaming world. You want to excel at anything you have to have drive and passion. At times your passion will wane; that is where, as adults, your drive pushes you through till your passion can be rekindled. Hopefully your time away will allow you to grow up and not be such a petulant child.


Dick.

I find this sad, apart from Scarlett and Naniwa all of my favourite players are Terrans (I play Terran). I really enjoyed Naniwa's play, the sick forcefields etc, and the drama surrounding him. I too would be happy to see him come back for LotV but it seems it is not to be. Farewell, King of the North.


So, because we don't let 3rd graders act like this in pee-wee sports I should say it's okay for a supposed adult to act like this? Wow, you call me a dick for expecting professionalism out of someone that is paid to perform. Ya, you are right, I'm WAY off base lol.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
July 19 2014 04:47 GMT
#129
Nice to see the first page of comments absent of douchey forum crusaders, and, instead, filled with support for a great player <3
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
Gako
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada22 Posts
July 19 2014 06:13 GMT
#130
It continues to amaze me a player who never learns could become that good at starcraft.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
July 19 2014 08:00 GMT
#131
You and Stephano were the foreign hope. Come back to LoTV please!
Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
July 19 2014 08:15 GMT
#132
Sad to see you go, you were so talented. It's also a shame that you had to much negative experience in your career about bullocks, like flame and accusations here and there. Good luck in life whatever you decide to do. Go fighting!
For the swarm
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
July 19 2014 09:30 GMT
#133
The one thing that bothers me the most about many pros out there are the people who will endlessly worship said pro.

I think NaNiwa contributed a lot to the scene, but none of us really know what his personal life is like. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but nor am I saying he is a boy-scout. He did his job to make SC2 grow, in my opinion. Just like many other pros that you guys may not like (even those who should not be mentioned here on teamliquid).

I don't think anyone should have to be a saint when it comes to being a pro gamer. It's just realistic. I mean Tiger Woods is one of the world's best Golf players, but look at that drama that happened with him, two women, and a golf club and his car. Look at Charlie Sheen, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, look at Tom Cruise, and look at Kobe Briant. Some of the worlds best examples in entertainment and mainstream sports. When that shit happens, I just shrug it off and think to myself, "Just like anyone else on any other day" for those guys. Why hate them like an episode of television unless they have personally crossed you?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
July 19 2014 11:18 GMT
#134
and when i slept i thought about strategys

Really? Well... that's interesting xD
Apostle
Profile Joined July 2014
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 13:23:05
July 19 2014 13:13 GMT
#135
Yeah its really a shame you left From what I know and have seen you really are the only foreigner who can compete with Koreans for the championship... I was really looking forward to you going all the way this year! Still, I understand losing interest in something and I definitely don't think you should force yourself if its really that unbearable. Anyway, good luck in whatever endeavor you decide to pursue from here and like the others said, I hope you will return next year or at least for LotV and your fans LovE
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
July 19 2014 13:19 GMT
#136
On July 19 2014 10:51 Marconos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 05:57 DeadByDawn wrote:
On July 19 2014 05:37 Marconos wrote:
And therein lies the problem with non Korean pros. Too many view SC2 not as a job but something fun to do. If you want to be on the top and deserve it it's a job.

Many of us work 12+ hours / day in the non gaming world. You want to excel at anything you have to have drive and passion. At times your passion will wane; that is where, as adults, your drive pushes you through till your passion can be rekindled. Hopefully your time away will allow you to grow up and not be such a petulant child.


Dick.

I find this sad, apart from Scarlett and Naniwa all of my favourite players are Terrans (I play Terran). I really enjoyed Naniwa's play, the sick forcefields etc, and the drama surrounding him. I too would be happy to see him come back for LotV but it seems it is not to be. Farewell, King of the North.


So, because we don't let 3rd graders act like this in pee-wee sports I should say it's okay for a supposed adult to act like this? Wow, you call me a dick for expecting professionalism out of someone that is paid to perform. Ya, you are right, I'm WAY off base lol.


These are all arguments that perpetuated all throughout the IEM incident. The reality is that society lets elite talent have much more leniency with outrageous behavior. It is also true that sometimes it makes headlines and sometimes it is for the financial benefit of the person or industry.
However it is also fact that organizations like a corporations, any skilled labor, NFL, government departments, and 99.999999% of the CAREERS available would've immediately fired and sued the employee for negligence. It really depends where the eSports community members want the industry to build into, a brand that is respected like the NFL, PGA, or NHL that heavily fines, force to sit out without pay, or even kick people out indefinitely. Or something like the NBA where teams go bankrupt, players force team policy, and players beat up fans in the stands.
gl hf
TecaNina
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
July 19 2014 17:45 GMT
#137
that is making me really sad
hope u will do fine in future!
<3 Nani
Naniwa, Parting, SoS, HomestoryCup fuck yeahhh <3
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
July 19 2014 19:30 GMT
#138
GL in life man, I always enjoyed the contribution you brought to the scene - both in and outside the game. People like you kept / keep the SC2 scene going.
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
July 19 2014 20:09 GMT
#139
Practically after he left I never had any reason to watch SC2 again. He was the last hope.
one day.. i'll lose my mind
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
July 19 2014 21:06 GMT
#140
You rock Nani. Don't forget you have/had fans. Hope to see you play again sometime. If not, gl hf in everything life holds for you.
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