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Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 17:00:13
July 17 2014 16:58 GMT
#1
Basically i will try to write down my perhaps final thoughts about starcraft 2,

I realise now after reading alot of the comments that my random tweets who i thought were harmless actually just sound bitter and negative ( which they obviously were ) but i didnt really think it through as deep as you guys did. I am still the guy who loved / loves starcraft more than anyone else considering the amount of time and effort i put into the game . For starters i know that i have alot of haters and i dont really care about that , i am not gonna be a little girl and make an AMA to make you people on the internet like me. But i just want to write my opinions once so i dont have to see people speculating anymore .

I will probably not come back to sc2 even at legacy of the void because i feel like the best way to compete in sc2 is to train in korea and i have no passion to go there again as it was extremly mentally draining and the only reason i could endure it was because i had Sase and Snute to talk to on the later trips. Also swarmhosts made the game so incredibly boring in my opinion.... but yeah im sure you already know my opinion on that already so no need to go there.


Iem katowice.

How this event was handled by me was probably one of my biggest dissapointments.

Let me make it clear that i had no intention of going to this event at ALL, I only went because my team forced me to go.

I hadnt played a single game of starcraft one - two months prior to this event because i felt absolutely zero love for the game at this point unfortunately and im not the kind of guy who can force myself when i lose passion for something. because starcraft to me is not a job, it never was a job. its always been my life and something i loved so much. During my peaks in the game i played around 12-16 hours every day and when i slept i thought about strategys so its not really like i can force myself to do this as im sure you can understand its not an easy feat.

If i had the chance to do it all again, I would definitly rather take a fine from EG / ALLIANCE than go through with what actually happened again. I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more , because they did not since i qualified through it fair and square. if they were better than me then they wouldve qualified but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations.



****
Progamer
beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
July 17 2014 17:03 GMT
#2
GOAT protoss player

cya around
aaaaa
Karuramon
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany19 Posts
July 17 2014 17:04 GMT
#3
I still hope you can one day come back. You will always be one of my favorites. Gl
jdenst
Profile Joined May 2012
4 Posts
July 17 2014 17:06 GMT
#4
I always liked your play and I think that's the most important thing. I might've stolen a PvZ build here and there from you if that's ok ;D I'm glad you decided to write out some thoughts. I think I'm in the minority because I lot of people tend to write bad things about you? But I always liked you mainly for your play.
Kosak
Profile Joined August 2013
Czech Republic193 Posts
July 17 2014 17:07 GMT
#5
come back for legacy nani, lets hope that your passion will be restored
it's good to be the king
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 17 2014 17:07 GMT
#6
Will you try to play another game on the professional level or just go study/work?

Good luck either way!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
July 17 2014 17:08 GMT
#7
EU ladder has never been harder, even you Nani would have good practice here. But well you ve given up
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
July 17 2014 17:09 GMT
#8
Gl with whatever you do NaNi, it's been a pleasure watching you play. I will be one of the people there to support you if you come back or choose to play another game. !
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
Damnight
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany222 Posts
July 17 2014 17:10 GMT
#9
Best of luck to you, I don't get why some people make a big fuss around some random tweets anyway lol.
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
July 17 2014 17:12 GMT
#10
I feel the same way Naniwa. Who want to play against a free infinite unit. It completely ruined SC for me as well.
ProjectZeek
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden11 Posts
July 17 2014 17:12 GMT
#11
I truly hope that there is a 0.01% chance that you come back for LotV and that it happens. Because no other player has ever brought me the amount of excitement like you did... (I nearly cried of excitement during the voidray game vs Life at IEM New York.) But I will not bother you with my hopes of you making a comeback.

I just wanna tell you that you have been a huge inspiration for me and I will allways love everything you've done for the game.

Quick question: Since you're probably not going to play the game anymore professionally, what are your plans for the future?

Med vänliga hälsningar, en Dalmas.
Peanutdog
Profile Joined September 2011
United States28 Posts
July 17 2014 17:12 GMT
#12
sucks to hear you probably won't come back in legacy, was really looking forward to that being a possibility
I hope you'll come back to your fan page every now and again though <3
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
July 17 2014 17:14 GMT
#13
Good luck with whatever you're doing now nani!

Thanks for all the great memories and clearing this up <3
Caster man does casting on yt/RiquizCasts
Setheal
Profile Joined April 2013
United States2 Posts
July 17 2014 17:16 GMT
#14
Hello Naniwa, I like your Protoss because its aggressive style play. You have inspired so much. I wish you the best.
Never GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!!!
RiskyChris
Profile Joined April 2012
125 Posts
July 17 2014 17:16 GMT
#15
Naniwa you are legendary. I'll fangrill hard for you if you come back in LotV (or switch to DotA, kick one of the [A]lliance sandbaggers!).
BlaineLogan
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Canada29 Posts
July 17 2014 17:19 GMT
#16
Don't quit~ seeing Naniwa in SC2 related content is always a "plus." You know, like Tiesto on a set list to other DJs,a certain token of excitement and dependability follows the name and gamer for me. Perhaps starcraft and blizzard rts really are losing their appeal though, and we cannot force it.
joy and woe are woven fine! a clothing for the soul divine
Heathen
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines351 Posts
July 17 2014 17:22 GMT
#17
Come back Naniwa. Become the Best Foreigner again. Take the crown from Snute Thnks
thejko
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1 Post
July 17 2014 17:22 GMT
#18
It is sad you're choosing to walk away entirely, and that unfortunately your career will be remembered by most more for the drama than all of your accomplishments. Your play has always been entertaining, and will surely be missed when LOTV rolls around. Hope you reconsider somewhere down the line, but thanks for all the fantastic games and memories.
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
July 17 2014 17:24 GMT
#19
Do what makes you happy man. I honestly can't blame you for how that tourny went down.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
July 17 2014 17:24 GMT
#20
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?
Cj hero | Zest
Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
July 17 2014 17:25 GMT
#21
So if you're not coming back to SC2, what are your plans in the future?
Try hard or don't try at all.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
July 17 2014 17:25 GMT
#22
On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?


The way he handled the situation? ...
hundred thousand krouner
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15658 Posts
July 17 2014 17:26 GMT
#23
You focus too much on the haters. You aren't realizing how many truly passionate fans you had both inside and outside of Sweden. I cheered for you in every event and that wouldn't stop if you decided to come back. Hope LOTV is good enough to compel you to come back.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 17:35:17
July 17 2014 17:32 GMT
#24
On July 18 2014 02:25 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?


The way he handled the situation? ...

that's not a reason.
to clarify i am wondering why/ for what reason he is feeling sorry since he only explains why he is not sorry.
Cj hero | Zest
Fizzeism
Profile Joined March 2014
6 Posts
July 17 2014 17:35 GMT
#25
Bye the one true foreign hope. You will be missed
Promised_pain
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland57 Posts
July 17 2014 17:37 GMT
#26
I really wish you would change your mind and come back to Starcraft. But If that is your choice, I'm sure the fans can respect it.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 17 2014 17:37 GMT
#27
Thanks Naniwa for explaining. I will miss cheering for you!

On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?

I think he's sorry for going and not being prepared, and not giving a good effort against his opponents.
Plat Support Main #believe
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
July 17 2014 17:39 GMT
#28
You are/were my favourite pro gamer (Any E-sport). I am very impressed by how honest you are and grateful to you for representing (the world - Korea) so well in SC2.

You were the only person out of all of us non Koreans to actually compete with them on an equal level for much of the time you were dominant. So as a (European) fan you gave me more cause to be proud than anyone else.

For many of the tournaments I watched you were the sole person keeping me interested enough in the tournament to watch it through the latter stages when the other foreigners were eliminated.

Even after these tournaments were over I still looked forward to interviews with you being released since in them you were usually honest, blunt and entertaining.

Honestly it was usually refreshing to watch and read about what you did. I hope LOTV helps to rekindle your passion Meaty Owl Legs =D
PinheadLarry
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3 Posts
July 17 2014 17:41 GMT
#29
I hope to see you in some sort of esport again if not sc2!
Cause' your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no friends of mine.
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
July 17 2014 17:47 GMT
#30
I miss SC2 with Naniwa and no Swarm Hosts I don't think ive watched a full SC game since u quit.
Go Sudan
Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
July 17 2014 17:48 GMT
#31
I will always remember and love you for the games you played at Dreamhacks, IEMs and MLGs. Thank you for your hard work. GLHF!
<3 sOs, Parting, Mana, Honor, TaKe, Mcanning<3
Yemaka
Profile Joined May 2012
Denmark44 Posts
July 17 2014 17:57 GMT
#32
Was a fan of you since the first time I saw you in the early days of sc2, and ill keep on being a fan till the very end, one of the things I like about you, is probly what everyone else hate you for, the way you are and act. I find it closet to real people who I meet in real life then on the internet, instead of the "lets everyone love each other"

Gl in what ever you do nani! should you ever come Copenhagen I would gladly buy you a beer or 2 !
"If Kim david nerf toss I kill murder him" Mc.
rchalico
Profile Joined August 2012
Mexico6 Posts
July 17 2014 17:57 GMT
#33
Still hoping you will come back. My favorite player ever.
"if you'd see my face right now you would understand the meaning of hungover." - Ilyes Satouri
Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
July 17 2014 17:59 GMT
#34
Naniwa. The day You come back will be a beautiful day. Don't give up. You will always have a big number of haters, but remember about us, fans.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 17 2014 18:08 GMT
#35
Naniwa will be back, they always come back.
IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
July 17 2014 18:15 GMT
#36
I really hope we get to see you return someday. I wish you comeback in a big blast and return to shape! Until then good luck!
Life | Ryung | Mvp | MarineKing | Jaedong | Bisu | HerO
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 18:17:35
July 17 2014 18:16 GMT
#37
On July 18 2014 02:32 StarGalaxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 02:25 Zheryn wrote:
On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?


The way he handled the situation? ...

that's not a reason.
to clarify i am wondering why/ for what reason he is feeling sorry since he only explains why he is not sorry.

Why the fuck did you cut away the part where he actually gave the reason then?

...because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations.


He's sorry for not doing that by doing what he did.
staavros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
July 17 2014 18:18 GMT
#38
On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?


It is a little poorly punctuated, but I think he means that he is sorry about this:

but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations.
PcaKes
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada9 Posts
July 17 2014 18:28 GMT
#39
On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?


Himself. I can't believe people are posting about how they wish he'll come back.
Sakralko
Profile Joined July 2012
Ukraine26 Posts
July 17 2014 19:06 GMT
#40
Ur the best Nani
Love u
hope u'll come back !111
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
July 17 2014 19:14 GMT
#41
On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:
I will probably not come back to sc2 even at legacy of the void


(I will still believe you may return tho)

because starcraft to me is not a job, it never was a job. its always been my life and something i loved so much. During my peaks in the game i played around 12-16 hours every day and when i slept i thought about strategys so its not really like i can force myself to do this as im sure you can understand its not an easy feat.


i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations.


What Starcraft is for you and the way you see yourself as a player are the things that made a fan of you Nani (and the fact that you have the skills to bakc it up ofc).

Thanks for sharing your thoughts but please stay close to the scene! Keep those tweets coming
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
July 17 2014 19:19 GMT
#42
One of my favourite players of all time.
I really do hope you come back to sc2 sometime
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
July 17 2014 19:26 GMT
#43
At least try maybe LotV expansion if you really did like SC2, would be sad to see you just straight up stop something you were good at and like.

I understand the Korea point though, your 100% right, the best players are there and if you can't speak the language it must be a lonely place

Oh well, if this is the end, thanks for the good series and the ability to show your personality unlike some players who we have no idea if they have one!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
July 17 2014 19:28 GMT
#44
tbh this blog was totally unnecessary for you to do for anyone BUT yourself, you're a player just like anyone else in the world and you brought what you had to the table, the game and the community

you're fine man, just take it easy ^_^
420
Savagewood
Profile Joined June 2012
United States83 Posts
July 17 2014 19:39 GMT
#45
Great player, like him or not!
"It turns out the game is a lot harder when you can't see the whole map."-IdrA, regarding his match against Spades.
BanaaNsc2
Profile Joined April 2014
Belgium1 Post
July 17 2014 19:42 GMT
#46
I'll miss you, never have I cheered harder for a player, never have I been amazed more by amazing micro (IEM, MLG,...) My god Naniwa! Goodluck in life, we'll miss you
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities
Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 19:43:18
July 17 2014 19:43 GMT
#47
Good luck, loved every game you played And believe me, i saw most of them
Talkin Bidness
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8 Posts
July 17 2014 19:50 GMT
#48
Don't let the door hit you on the way out little girl cry baby.

User was warned for this post
Why is it always the bottom fragger complaining.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
July 17 2014 19:51 GMT
#49
I hope you will come back again one day, the scene isn't the same without you :/

GL!
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
July 17 2014 19:51 GMT
#50
I'm not really sorry to see you go, and respectfully hope you don't return to the professional scene.

You acted like a spoiled little asshole for a lot of your career. Not really the face we need for professional competition.
Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
July 17 2014 19:51 GMT
#51
The passion will only be restored once swarmhosts are removed from the game. Blizzard, are you listening?
hZCube
Profile Joined February 2012
87 Posts
July 17 2014 19:52 GMT
#52
because starcraft to me is not a job, it never was a job.


Did you not sign a professional contract with a team, making it a job? If it wasn't a job to you, surely you shouldn't of signed the contract - and should of just told them it was 'your life' instead? And then not accepted payment from them, and not had to do as they said, during your contracted employed duration?

Still sounds like you simply don't care about contracts and/or agreements, and you just selfishly did whatever you wanted, completely ignoring your obligation to the team who had, presumably, paid you money for your job?
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
July 17 2014 19:52 GMT
#53
If you are adamant about leaving, good luck to you in the future. Hopefully something can spark your passion again for Starcraft. You were one of the greats, and you're dedication and work ethic can get you far in anything you do.

GL HF.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
July 17 2014 19:54 GMT
#54
I really hope to see you back later. Your runs in the GSL was what dragged me into watching this game day in and day out. I've always appreciated your attitude; it shines through in game and in interviews etc. Best of luck, Nani!
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
July 17 2014 20:04 GMT
#55
gl in whatever you do next naniwa. The passion is still real.
lowdice
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden306 Posts
July 17 2014 20:37 GMT
#56
On July 18 2014 04:52 hZCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
because starcraft to me is not a job, it never was a job.


Did you not sign a professional contract with a team, making it a job? If it wasn't a job to you, surely you shouldn't of signed the contract - and should of just told them it was 'your life' instead? And then not accepted payment from them, and not had to do as they said, during your contracted employed duration?

Still sounds like you simply don't care about contracts and/or agreements, and you just selfishly did whatever you wanted, completely ignoring your obligation to the team who had, presumably, paid you money for your job?



You don't get it, do you. But that's ok. No hard feelings.
You only have a little spark of madness, you mustn't lose it!
sickzee
Profile Joined July 2012
Croatia15 Posts
July 17 2014 20:45 GMT
#57
NANIWA IS A GOD
Nero1138
Profile Joined January 2014
United States2 Posts
July 17 2014 20:46 GMT
#58
GGWP. Good luck in what's next.
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
July 17 2014 21:01 GMT
#59
On July 18 2014 04:52 hZCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
because starcraft to me is not a job, it never was a job.


Did you not sign a professional contract with a team, making it a job? If it wasn't a job to you, surely you shouldn't of signed the contract - and should of just told them it was 'your life' instead? And then not accepted payment from them, and not had to do as they said, during your contracted employed duration?

Still sounds like you simply don't care about contracts and/or agreements, and you just selfishly did whatever you wanted, completely ignoring your obligation to the team who had, presumably, paid you money for your job?


I think he meant that he never saw it as a job, more as a hobby that he got paid for. I also think you are just trying to make negativity out of nothing.
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
July 17 2014 21:12 GMT
#60
Good luck in whatever happens next in your life. I liked you because you were a good player. I don't care about the other drama things that happened with you.

Anyways, hope to see you doing something you love.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Geschan
Profile Joined September 2010
69 Posts
July 17 2014 21:19 GMT
#61
It's actually quite disappointing that you still don't see the error of you handling the IEM Situation.
DRTnOOber
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
New Zealand476 Posts
July 17 2014 21:27 GMT
#62
Come play Dota 2
But I'm off creep... and so I slow down, what are hellions doing here? I don't belong here...
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
July 17 2014 21:27 GMT
#63
On July 18 2014 06:19 Geschan wrote:
It's actually quite disappointing that you still don't see the error of you handling the IEM Situation.


I'm pretty sure this classifies as him "seeing the error" of how he handled it, maybe it doesn't go into too much detail, but he claims responsibility, expresses remorse and apologizes to his fans.

On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:

If i had the chance to do it all again, I would definitly rather take a fine from EG / ALLIANCE than go through with what actually happened again. I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more , because they did not since i qualified through it fair and square. if they were better than me then they wouldve qualified but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations.


MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
July 17 2014 21:31 GMT
#64
GL dude. I get it, you don't like the game(what is has become, no desire to travel to Korea). Happens to people all the time.
TL+ Member
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 21:34:05
July 17 2014 21:33 GMT
#65
On July 18 2014 02:12 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
I feel the same way Naniwa. Who want to play against a free infinite unit. It completely ruined SC for me as well.


You can add me to the list too.

I'm hoping there are major changes to LOTV. The MSC as we know, the Widow Mine and the Swarm Host need to be re-worked considerably.

Good luck Naniwa.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 17 2014 21:45 GMT
#66
I met you in Korea and it was nice. Hope you find something else to do that you like!
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
ESC FeaR
Profile Joined December 2013
10 Posts
July 17 2014 21:56 GMT
#67
every day when i wake up i go to teamliquid and see naniwa returns! pls make it happen
Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada968 Posts
July 17 2014 22:02 GMT
#68
I can kind of understand how you feel, Naniwa. You want to be the best, no matter what it takes, not just "the best foreigner". And to do that requires a huge number of sacrifices, like playing 12-16 hours (all or at least most of the top Koreans practice this much) and it probably does require playing in Korea. That last thing is incredibly hard to do if you're not Korean and don't know the language and the culture. I've seen people recommend that foreigners learn the language, but how easy is that to do if you're practicing 12-16 hours a day?

But maybe there's hope. Maybe if enough Koreans come to live in Europe it will improve the ladder enough that being the best no longer requires living in Korea. Maybe Swarmhosts will disappear in Legacy of the Void.

Maybe you'll come back. I hope so. You were pretty awesome to watch.
"Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere." -- Carl Sagan
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 17 2014 22:09 GMT
#69
farewell naniwer
Metak
Profile Joined August 2011
296 Posts
July 17 2014 22:13 GMT
#70
There's people that will keep supporting you for the player that you were/are. I don't/didn't like you as an 'entertainer' (which seems to be the go-to field in eSports at these times), I love you as a sportsman.
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
July 17 2014 22:20 GMT
#71
I think this should clear up the remaining "hate" about Naniwa.
At first I was very negative about his actions but time cured most of the disappointment.
It was very similar to reactions to Idra right after his retirement.
Now just like Idra, I think Sc2 community should accept his "feelings" (more appropriate than apology) and move on from the incident.
gl hf
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
July 17 2014 22:28 GMT
#72
If you don't see SC2 as a job don't sign contracts as a full-time player.
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
July 17 2014 22:30 GMT
#73
You still show no respect for your team, sponsers, event organisers, fans or just sportsmanship. I hope to never see another player show this level of disrespect in esports or any competition again.
Daeden.620
Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
July 17 2014 22:37 GMT
#74
Never forget
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 17 2014 22:42 GMT
#75
the shit gets boring without drama. come back and give me another reason to hate on you, please.
Faggatron
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
July 17 2014 22:58 GMT
#76
Someone proxy 2 gated me on ladder yesterday. I was a little angry at first, then i remembered all the incredible naniwa proxy 2gates and was actually happy. You were not only the best foreigner and one of the best players, but one of the most entertaining players to have ever played this game. Hoping youll come back anyway. You were my favourite player, not at first but you earned it with your play.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
July 17 2014 23:01 GMT
#77
I really do hope you will come back some time. Maybe you just need to give it some more time and maybe there will be changes to the game that will make you feel the urge to come back to the sc2 scene to compete again. Hope you have fun and success in life whatever happens <3

Always your fan!
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
July 17 2014 23:17 GMT
#78
SC2 needs personality, and you have it Naniwa ... hope you come back some day.
stakiman
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria42 Posts
July 17 2014 23:19 GMT
#79
hey don't let the haters take you down! for me you are still the best best working foreigner ever. keep it up!
Be the change you want to see in the world
Hjax
Profile Joined July 2012
United States47 Posts
July 17 2014 23:26 GMT
#80
I too hope that you will come back someday, you were always the best foreigner and kept everyone entertained with new builds that would instantly shift the metagame as every one rushed to perfect your new style. Good luck with whatever happens
"When ahead, get more ahead"
BlackCloud
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada154 Posts
July 17 2014 23:30 GMT
#81
Thanks for the great memories. Ill never forget watching you and cheering, it was fun watching you man. Good luck in life.
Christelle
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
France77 Posts
July 17 2014 23:36 GMT
#82
IIl miss you
Writer
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
July 18 2014 00:25 GMT
#83
still my favorite foreigner, i'll tell my kids about you

ps. ur better than stephano
Everyday Girl's Day~!
hZCube
Profile Joined February 2012
87 Posts
July 18 2014 00:28 GMT
#84
On July 18 2014 05:37 lowdice wrote:

You don't get it, do you. But that's ok. No hard feelings.


No, I think I do get it - Naniwa decided unilaterally that he just didn't want to stand up to his part of the contractual agreement he entered, and just took a giant poop on his employers, the community, and his fellow pro's - mainly as a selfish show of defiance.

I've issued plenty of contracts to staff in the past, and I've never seen such a blatant misunderstanding of the concept of professionalism as this.

Naniwa even said it - he didn't see it as a job. To him it was more like a glorified hobby.

I wonder if his employers saw it not as a job offer, or themselves as business operators? I wonder if his employers actually realised they were indulging a child in his hobby, and yet, at the same time, paying him?
Synergysc
Profile Joined September 2013
United States25 Posts
July 18 2014 00:58 GMT
#85
Hope you find the passion sometime soon! Miss your games
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1374 Posts
July 18 2014 01:33 GMT
#86
On July 18 2014 09:28 hZCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 05:37 lowdice wrote:

You don't get it, do you. But that's ok. No hard feelings.


No, I think I do get it - Naniwa decided unilaterally that he just didn't want to stand up to his part of the contractual agreement he entered, and just took a giant poop on his employers, the community, and his fellow pro's - mainly as a selfish show of defiance.

I've issued plenty of contracts to staff in the past, and I've never seen such a blatant misunderstanding of the concept of professionalism as this.

Naniwa even said it - he didn't see it as a job. To him it was more like a glorified hobby.

I wonder if his employers saw it not as a job offer, or themselves as business operators? I wonder if his employers actually realised they were indulging a child in his hobby, and yet, at the same time, paying him?


If you don't like Naniwa, don't watch his games or read his posts. Problem solved.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
July 18 2014 01:49 GMT
#87
I quit following SC2 about 18 months back but all the Naniwa posts on screddit keep catching my eye.

I don't know what's happened in the last year and a half and I don't really care... Naniwa, you were always one of my favorite players who I always tried to emulate you and huk with my ladder play. You are, and forever will be, awesome.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China496 Posts
July 18 2014 02:13 GMT
#88
On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:
I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more , because they did not since i qualified through it fair and square. if they were better than me then they wouldve qualified but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching.



"I am sorry about what happened because I could not show my best game but goddamn if I was going to let another player who was better and more motivated than me play and actually show good games"
FrontalMonkey
Profile Joined February 2010
United States90 Posts
July 18 2014 02:29 GMT
#89
On July 18 2014 11:13 coloursheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:
I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more , because they did not since i qualified through it fair and square. if they were better than me then they wouldve qualified but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching.



"I am sorry about what happened because I could not show my best game but goddamn if I was going to let another player who was better and more motivated than me play and actually show good games"


Uh, did you miss the part where someone else would have qualified instead of him if they were actually better? Or did you make your judgment without actually reading?
Believe in me who believes in you
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
July 18 2014 02:34 GMT
#90
<3 Naniwa.

I hope Starcraft finds its way back into your life with a vengeance some day so you can reign supreme as the king of the foreigners once again. I know that the "best foreigner" title is like a cheap consolation prize to you and that is why you have been my favorite player <3
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
SirVandeKamp
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
United States59 Posts
July 18 2014 02:46 GMT
#91
On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?


"because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations."

coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China496 Posts
July 18 2014 03:15 GMT
#92
On July 18 2014 11:29 FrontalMonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 11:13 coloursheep wrote:
On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:
I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more , because they did not since i qualified through it fair and square. if they were better than me then they wouldve qualified but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching.



"I am sorry about what happened because I could not show my best game but goddamn if I was going to let another player who was better and more motivated than me play and actually show good games"


Uh, did you miss the part where someone else would have qualified instead of him if they were actually better? Or did you make your judgment without actually reading?


If I did not read it then how did I find and separate the quote that I choose, blind luck?

Regarding the quote itself saying if they were better than him they would have qualified is meaningless considering he said himself that he had not played for 1-2 months before the tournament, it does not matter how good you were months ago when you qualified, he was in no position to play and then dissed other players for not being good enough when anyone else would have done better than he did.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
July 18 2014 03:30 GMT
#93
Maybe somebody should do something about the fact that you apparently have to go to Korea to improve enough.
nixX3n
Profile Joined June 2011
United States122 Posts
July 18 2014 03:44 GMT
#94
To be honest, the community is better without you. Even if you are better than any other foreigner, your attitude makes it mean nothing. Good to know you haven't changed at all though.
Blitz for Presidentfu
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
July 18 2014 04:33 GMT
#95
Still the Greatest Toss of all time. You will be missed deeply in the foreigner department. GL Naniwer, maybe you do a different game now? Keep in touch with the peoples, and thanks for writing this.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 18 2014 05:49 GMT
#96
Yo, Naniwa. Keep the beautiful hair going. Never lose the passion for the hair.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 18 2014 06:03 GMT
#97
On July 18 2014 12:44 nixX3n wrote:
To be honest, the community is better without you. Even if you are better than any other foreigner, your attitude makes it mean nothing. Good to know you haven't changed at all though.


I'm glad we have 57-post guy to let us know what is good for the community and determine the value of someone's entire legacy.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
July 18 2014 06:48 GMT
#98
Best foreign Protoss, 2nd most winning foreigner (in terms of prize money)

Never forget
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Trizzek
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden6 Posts
July 18 2014 07:17 GMT
#99
Cheers Nani! Your passion was always your greatest asset as well as greatest enemy. And haters gonna hate. Hope to see you around one way or the other. GL HF!
aslejoh
Profile Joined July 2012
Norway96 Posts
July 18 2014 08:02 GMT
#100
This is incredible sad to read.. I remember when I first started to follow the SC2 scene, I jumped on the bandwagon that did not like you immediately - but with time you grew on me, I can 100% relate to the way you behave, and I love it. Our community has lost one of the best entertainers. And I hope with all of my heart that you will return some day.
disel
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden3 Posts
July 18 2014 08:09 GMT
#101
Come back Naniwa.. In real talk with JP you said once you didn't wanna quit as a loser. Well dont do it then.
You made me start playing and kept me playing protoss ! Love you Naniwa, Johan !
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
July 18 2014 09:42 GMT
#102
I was really interested but, man, the lack of punctuation, usage of caps forces me to stop halfway through.
The heart's eternal vow
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
July 18 2014 09:43 GMT
#103
come back~~
odem
Profile Joined August 2011
143 Posts
July 18 2014 10:03 GMT
#104
you were the only foreign hope as a protoss player, that alone makes u legendary.

come back if u like lotv whenever u feel like it and dont let u influence by ppl who will never like u whatever u do. they will never understand what i means to be dedicated and what it means to ultimately strive for a win and how disappointing a loss vs whomever can be if u are completely passionate about the game (because without that determination u cant be as successful as u were and thus on the other hand will be extremely down or angry after a win and that is TOTALLY normal in my opinion). they dont deserve ur attention as long as u have dedicated fans who understand and support u.

i also like ur attitude to do everything u can to win. fuck those idiotic 'gl hf' - 'lets not attack for the first 15 mins so we can build 20 bases before the first unit' - 'lets be friendly before and after the game because koreans always look friendly and only talk bad behind ur back what is much more respectful'... these attitudes are just hypocritical and ppl who show they emotions will always create diversity because ppl cant handle true emotions. especially those koreans rather live behind their fake image and hide behind it. they are like robots and its pittyful. go ur way and do what u wanna do man. fuck everyone else.

and just start rekkin again in whatever u do next.
peace

KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 18 2014 10:18 GMT
#105
In fairness to Naniwa, when he was playing hard it was always great to watch and he drew in the viewers.

I was really angry with what he did at IEM but you can't deny he was top 3 foreigner

Zerg for Life
satsang
Profile Joined September 2010
39 Posts
July 18 2014 12:16 GMT
#106
Is it normal that half of the post are from new accounts and each of them begs him to return?
Suikakuju
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany238 Posts
July 18 2014 12:18 GMT
#107
You are right nani game got boring since Hots
Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 18 2014 12:53 GMT
#108
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
July 18 2014 13:10 GMT
#109
I hope Naniwa returns for LotV
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 13:36:38
July 18 2014 13:32 GMT
#110
On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.

Toxic is such a bullshit word for not being able to articulate why you want him gone. He added a lot to the scene and without players like him the sc2 scene is a lot more boring to follow. You can't say with a straight face sc2 would have been better without him regardless if you like him or not. I'm not saying all he did was for the better but he was an asset to the foreign scene for a long time, asshole or not.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
July 18 2014 13:34 GMT
#111
On July 18 2014 21:16 satsang wrote:
Is it normal that half of the post are from new accounts and each of them begs him to return?

It's not close to half of the posts, wtf are you talking about?
TheSayo182
Profile Joined September 2012
Italy243 Posts
July 18 2014 14:09 GMT
#112
it is undeniable that the game has become (more) boring since the departures of stephano and naniwa, hate or love them, and the game in general is actually meh, and i understand that playing something you dont find funny is difficult,
i hope they find something else in life they enjoy to do.

i know i'm so negative , everything i said is imho
"Remember: Probes & Pylons and when behind Dark Shrine!"
hZCube
Profile Joined February 2012
87 Posts
July 18 2014 16:08 GMT
#113
On July 18 2014 22:34 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 21:16 satsang wrote:
Is it normal that half of the post are from new accounts and each of them begs him to return?

It's not close to half of the posts, wtf are you talking about?


Around 35-40 out of 110 ish posts are from new accounts (sub 100 posts), wishing he'd return.

That's around 30%. I'm not sure I'd be so alarmist and knee jerk reactionary with the 'it's not close to half... wtf are you talking about?' comment, given it's actually fairly close to that.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
July 18 2014 16:15 GMT
#114
I hate bad manners and such more than anyone else, but I do miss cheering for Naniwa.

Anyway, I was hoping he'd have more to say that hasn't already been said. Not sure why he keeps making these posts. Everyone has moved on already, and if he's not coming back to SC2 then it's of little consequence.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 18 2014 16:45 GMT
#115
Whether you love him or hate him, the scene is soo much more boring without Naniwa -_-

I hope your passion will come back with LotV
beep boop
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
July 18 2014 17:10 GMT
#116
oh goddamn! He was my favorite player to watch.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 18 2014 17:41 GMT
#117
On July 18 2014 09:28 hZCube wrote:
Naniwa even said it - he didn't see it as a job. To him it was more like a glorified hobbypersonal passion.

FTFY
Plat Support Main #believe
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 18 2014 18:33 GMT
#118
On July 19 2014 01:45 7mk wrote:
Whether you love him or hate him, the scene is soo much more boring without Naniwa -_-

I hope your passion will come back with LotV

I completely agree. Naniwa for sc2 president 2016.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Marconos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States22 Posts
July 18 2014 20:37 GMT
#119
And therein lies the problem with non Korean pros. Too many view SC2 not as a job but something fun to do. If you want to be on the top and deserve it it's a job.

Many of us work 12+ hours / day in the non gaming world. You want to excel at anything you have to have drive and passion. At times your passion will wane; that is where, as adults, your drive pushes you through till your passion can be rekindled. Hopefully your time away will allow you to grow up and not be such a petulant child.
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
474 Posts
July 18 2014 20:53 GMT
#120
Its really sad that you are actually almost closing the door to pro starcraft...
You have played some many awesome games and tournaments. Its truly a loss to sc2 that you actually are implying there are no future for you.
(as for the people who still are angry and upset beyond comprehension because of Katowiche... wow... then I can understand your decision. I forget from time to time that there are so many with a mentality of a small petty child just searching for a reason to hate and dislike... I mean... just watch the chat in avilos stream and behold the absolute bottom of human life and dignity. If these kind of people are around you, we all understand you.)

However, if we decide to ignore the obvious haters/retards you have MANY fans. We wish you ALL well and we hope that you will feel good with what you do in the future. Of course we want you back. But first of all. We want you to feel good.
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 21:02:18
July 18 2014 20:57 GMT
#121
On July 19 2014 05:37 Marconos wrote:
And therein lies the problem with non Korean pros. Too many view SC2 not as a job but something fun to do. If you want to be on the top and deserve it it's a job.

Many of us work 12+ hours / day in the non gaming world. You want to excel at anything you have to have drive and passion. At times your passion will wane; that is where, as adults, your drive pushes you through till your passion can be rekindled. Hopefully your time away will allow you to grow up and not be such a petulant child.


Dick.

I find this sad, apart from Scarlett and Naniwa all of my favourite players are Terrans (I play Terran). I really enjoyed Naniwa's play, the sick forcefields etc, and the drama surrounding him. I too would be happy to see him come back for LotV but it seems it is not to be. Farewell, King of the North.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 18 2014 22:05 GMT
#122
I always cheered you Nani, if you come back i will still cheer for you.

If you don't want to come back or choose not to I wish you luck in all your future endeavors.

You Naniwa will always be one of those few that could compete with top koreans, in the end it was your will and your training that got you there. Not your trip to korea and if you choose to, I know you could do it again.

You said it yourself, once your passion ignites again you can just make a comeback and go toe to toe with the best of them. Until that day comes, stay well and good luck with everything.

-A fan that will keep hoping
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 22:17:47
July 18 2014 22:17 GMT
#123
On July 18 2014 22:32 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.

Toxic is such a bullshit word for not being able to articulate why you want him gone. He added a lot to the scene and without players like him the sc2 scene is a lot more boring to follow. You can't say with a straight face sc2 would have been better without him regardless if you like him or not. I'm not saying all he did was for the better but he was an asset to the foreign scene for a long time, asshole or not.

Toxic is a word that is not really ban-worthy.
And what did he really do for the scene ? Ok, he was the best foreigner for a while. But that's irrelevent, he was good at the begining but so was idra, jinro, White-ra or Dimaga.
Then Stephano came, and took the title for more than a year, by far. Then Nani did some kind of comeback, but in the meantime Stephano was still the best foreigner, Lucifron was on fire and Scarlet was rising.
He did nothing that had a big impact on the scene but being an asshole to others players and fans.
I can take idra as an other exemple. Look; noone even talk about him anymore but he was like the biggest symbol of sc2 at his time.
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
July 18 2014 23:52 GMT
#124
On July 18 2014 22:32 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.

Toxic is such a bullshit word for not being able to articulate why you want him gone. He added a lot to the scene and without players like him the sc2 scene is a lot more boring to follow. You can't say with a straight face sc2 would have been better without him regardless if you like him or not. I'm not saying all he did was for the better but he was an asset to the foreign scene for a long time, asshole or not.

Totally agree. Just like sports, eSports needs a small number of controversial figures to liven the scene up. People liked to watch Nani, half wishing he would win and half wishing he would lose (disclaimer: 90% of statistics are made up). Hell, I even wanted him to beat some Terrans and I never, ever support a non-Terran against a Terran usually, not even Scarlett.
VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
July 19 2014 00:02 GMT
#125
You've kept the foreigner flag for quite long.. Maybe not vs T or in PvP (although you either lost too badly or you won too easy in that matchup lol, but your PvZ man, that was probably the games I loved the most.. I bet you hated the guts of those though

But yah - your: Life vs Naniwa finals will forever be remembered as one of the best comebacks ever.. And you almost pulled it for the 3rd time too, but Life did a comeback vs your comeback too

Still - think that at least you should maybe "post your thoughts" more thoroughly rather than just "swarmhost makes games boring" lol.. I mean - Blizz could "profit" in depth from players/thinkers like you, rather than just say "reactively" what you didn't like though

GL HF in life Nani, maybe you weren't loved or you didn't even want that, but certainly you were one of those who we admired the most
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
July 19 2014 00:51 GMT
#126
I've always enjoyed watching you play and would keep cheering for you if you ever came back
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 19 2014 01:01 GMT
#127
<333 Nani, hope you will at least give LotV a try when it drops and see if you like it

Always remember that Nani was one of the only foreigners capable of standing up to the Koreans.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Marconos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States22 Posts
July 19 2014 01:51 GMT
#128
On July 19 2014 05:57 DeadByDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 05:37 Marconos wrote:
And therein lies the problem with non Korean pros. Too many view SC2 not as a job but something fun to do. If you want to be on the top and deserve it it's a job.

Many of us work 12+ hours / day in the non gaming world. You want to excel at anything you have to have drive and passion. At times your passion will wane; that is where, as adults, your drive pushes you through till your passion can be rekindled. Hopefully your time away will allow you to grow up and not be such a petulant child.


Dick.

I find this sad, apart from Scarlett and Naniwa all of my favourite players are Terrans (I play Terran). I really enjoyed Naniwa's play, the sick forcefields etc, and the drama surrounding him. I too would be happy to see him come back for LotV but it seems it is not to be. Farewell, King of the North.


So, because we don't let 3rd graders act like this in pee-wee sports I should say it's okay for a supposed adult to act like this? Wow, you call me a dick for expecting professionalism out of someone that is paid to perform. Ya, you are right, I'm WAY off base lol.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
July 19 2014 04:47 GMT
#129
Nice to see the first page of comments absent of douchey forum crusaders, and, instead, filled with support for a great player <3
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
Gako
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada22 Posts
July 19 2014 06:13 GMT
#130
It continues to amaze me a player who never learns could become that good at starcraft.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
July 19 2014 08:00 GMT
#131
You and Stephano were the foreign hope. Come back to LoTV please!
Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
July 19 2014 08:15 GMT
#132
Sad to see you go, you were so talented. It's also a shame that you had to much negative experience in your career about bullocks, like flame and accusations here and there. Good luck in life whatever you decide to do. Go fighting!
For the swarm
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
July 19 2014 09:30 GMT
#133
The one thing that bothers me the most about many pros out there are the people who will endlessly worship said pro.

I think NaNiwa contributed a lot to the scene, but none of us really know what his personal life is like. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but nor am I saying he is a boy-scout. He did his job to make SC2 grow, in my opinion. Just like many other pros that you guys may not like (even those who should not be mentioned here on teamliquid).

I don't think anyone should have to be a saint when it comes to being a pro gamer. It's just realistic. I mean Tiger Woods is one of the world's best Golf players, but look at that drama that happened with him, two women, and a golf club and his car. Look at Charlie Sheen, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, look at Tom Cruise, and look at Kobe Briant. Some of the worlds best examples in entertainment and mainstream sports. When that shit happens, I just shrug it off and think to myself, "Just like anyone else on any other day" for those guys. Why hate them like an episode of television unless they have personally crossed you?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
July 19 2014 11:18 GMT
#134
and when i slept i thought about strategys

Really? Well... that's interesting xD
Apostle
Profile Joined July 2014
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 13:23:05
July 19 2014 13:13 GMT
#135
Yeah its really a shame you left From what I know and have seen you really are the only foreigner who can compete with Koreans for the championship... I was really looking forward to you going all the way this year! Still, I understand losing interest in something and I definitely don't think you should force yourself if its really that unbearable. Anyway, good luck in whatever endeavor you decide to pursue from here and like the others said, I hope you will return next year or at least for LotV and your fans LovE
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
July 19 2014 13:19 GMT
#136
On July 19 2014 10:51 Marconos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 05:57 DeadByDawn wrote:
On July 19 2014 05:37 Marconos wrote:
And therein lies the problem with non Korean pros. Too many view SC2 not as a job but something fun to do. If you want to be on the top and deserve it it's a job.

Many of us work 12+ hours / day in the non gaming world. You want to excel at anything you have to have drive and passion. At times your passion will wane; that is where, as adults, your drive pushes you through till your passion can be rekindled. Hopefully your time away will allow you to grow up and not be such a petulant child.


Dick.

I find this sad, apart from Scarlett and Naniwa all of my favourite players are Terrans (I play Terran). I really enjoyed Naniwa's play, the sick forcefields etc, and the drama surrounding him. I too would be happy to see him come back for LotV but it seems it is not to be. Farewell, King of the North.


So, because we don't let 3rd graders act like this in pee-wee sports I should say it's okay for a supposed adult to act like this? Wow, you call me a dick for expecting professionalism out of someone that is paid to perform. Ya, you are right, I'm WAY off base lol.


These are all arguments that perpetuated all throughout the IEM incident. The reality is that society lets elite talent have much more leniency with outrageous behavior. It is also true that sometimes it makes headlines and sometimes it is for the financial benefit of the person or industry.
However it is also fact that organizations like a corporations, any skilled labor, NFL, government departments, and 99.999999% of the CAREERS available would've immediately fired and sued the employee for negligence. It really depends where the eSports community members want the industry to build into, a brand that is respected like the NFL, PGA, or NHL that heavily fines, force to sit out without pay, or even kick people out indefinitely. Or something like the NBA where teams go bankrupt, players force team policy, and players beat up fans in the stands.
gl hf
TecaNina
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
July 19 2014 17:45 GMT
#137
that is making me really sad
hope u will do fine in future!
<3 Nani
Naniwa, Parting, SoS, HomestoryCup fuck yeahhh <3
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
July 19 2014 19:30 GMT
#138
GL in life man, I always enjoyed the contribution you brought to the scene - both in and outside the game. People like you kept / keep the SC2 scene going.
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
July 19 2014 20:09 GMT
#139
Practically after he left I never had any reason to watch SC2 again. He was the last hope.
one day.. i'll lose my mind
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
July 19 2014 21:06 GMT
#140
You rock Nani. Don't forget you have/had fans. Hope to see you play again sometime. If not, gl hf in everything life holds for you.
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
July 19 2014 21:09 GMT
#141
What's the backupplan anyway?
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
July 20 2014 00:06 GMT
#142
On July 19 2014 05:53 aringadingding wrote:
Its really sad that you are actually almost closing the door to pro starcraft...
You have played some many awesome games and tournaments. Its truly a loss to sc2 that you actually are implying there are no future for you.
(as for the people who still are angry and upset beyond comprehension because of Katowiche... wow... then I can understand your decision. I forget from time to time that there are so many with a mentality of a small petty child just searching for a reason to hate and dislike... I mean... just watch the chat in avilos stream and behold the absolute bottom of human life and dignity. If these kind of people are around you, we all understand you.)

However, if we decide to ignore the obvious haters/retards you have MANY fans. We wish you ALL well and we hope that you will feel good with what you do in the future. Of course we want you back. But first of all. We want you to feel good.

Absolute bottom of human life and dignity? Excuse me? Sure, Avilo does get some trolls and haters in his chat, but those are quickly dealt with.
Procrastination is the enemy
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
July 20 2014 04:04 GMT
#143
On July 19 2014 20:18 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
and when i slept i thought about strategys

Really? Well... that's interesting xD

It's called "dreaming".
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 20 2014 07:27 GMT
#144
On July 19 2014 18:30 BreAKerTV wrote:
The one thing that bothers me the most about many pros out there are the people who will endlessly worship said pro.

I think NaNiwa contributed a lot to the scene, but none of us really know what his personal life is like. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but nor am I saying he is a boy-scout. He did his job to make SC2 grow, in my opinion. Just like many other pros that you guys may not like (even those who should not be mentioned here on teamliquid).

I don't think anyone should have to be a saint when it comes to being a pro gamer. It's just realistic. I mean Tiger Woods is one of the world's best Golf players, but look at that drama that happened with him, two women, and a golf club and his car. Look at Charlie Sheen, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, look at Tom Cruise, and look at Kobe Briant. Some of the worlds best examples in entertainment and mainstream sports. When that shit happens, I just shrug it off and think to myself, "Just like anyone else on any other day" for those guys. Why hate them like an episode of television unless they have personally crossed you?


I couldn't agree more. Shit like this pisses me off:

On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.


I don't know how the fuck someone can take something like that so personally. If Naniwa can hear the crowd outside the booth, then so can Polt, and it doesn't take a genius to know that if you hear people making an unusual amount of noise early in the game that something might be awry. But since you worship Polt, you'll believe bullshit like "That was standard scouting on that map" and maybe he would've scouted there, maybe he wouldn't have, but he definitely would make sure to do it if he heard something.

Furthermore, I don't know how you can say someone is "toxic and disrespectful", then turn around and say you want to punch them in the face. That makes no sense. People need to quit using the anonymity of this forum to bash on him. So, he doesn't like the game. Big fucking deal. He doesn't have to like SC2. So, some people are like "His attitude is hurting the scene" and shit, but guess what? Look at how many people would watch when he played. Think about how many people love him, and all the accomplishments he's made, and then try and tell me he's "hurting the scene" or "community".
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
July 20 2014 08:12 GMT
#145
nani, let us know if you decide to compete in something else so we'll know where to find you.
what quote?
PsyChoRo
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania85 Posts
July 20 2014 08:21 GMT
#146
I had to admit I had mixed feeling about you when I first started watching sc2, sometimes I hated your attitude and sometimes I rooted for you. After I started knowing you a little better, through interviews, documentaries, etc I actually started respecting and understanding you better, including the passion that you had for the game.

I sincerely wish you only success in everything you are going to do and if you invest that amount of passion that you have in anything you put your mind to, it cannot go wrong.

NiHiLuSsc2
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States50 Posts
July 20 2014 08:55 GMT
#147
underrated. one of the greatest foreigners who no one never really knew how to appreciate
perhaps the greatest foreign protoss player ever
it was a joy watching you
gg and gl
PBJT
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
July 20 2014 08:55 GMT
#148
On July 18 2014 22:34 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 21:16 satsang wrote:
Is it normal that half of the post are from new accounts and each of them begs him to return?

It's not close to half of the posts, wtf are you talking about?

He's a conspiracy theorist, obviously.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
July 20 2014 09:44 GMT
#149
Yes, Naniwa hasn't always be a boy scout but he was one of the only foreigner to clearly give everything. He had so much passion and he seemed to practice so much I really wanted him to win. In my eyes you really have to respect that,he had the guts to follow his dream. I regret how he left because he will be remembered as the man who gave up IEM Katowice rather than the man who gave everything.

Good luck in whatever you're doing, it was a pleasure following you trying to be the best!
It's good to be back
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
July 20 2014 14:42 GMT
#150
I hope you (and Stephano) will reconsider; I miss having the possibility of a non- korean win. There's not even been a runners up spot yet this year..
Can't blame (both of) you though; Good luck in whatever it is you're going to do.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
July 20 2014 16:28 GMT
#151
On July 20 2014 23:42 Penev wrote:
I hope you (and Stephano) will reconsider; I miss having the possibility of a non- korean win. There's not even been a runners up spot yet this year..
Can't blame (both of) you though; Good luck in whatever it is you're going to do.


Isn't Stephano on a team again?

And well, Scarlett, Bunny etc are surely better bets than Naniwa to win anything.
maru G5L pls
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 20 2014 18:12 GMT
#152
On July 20 2014 16:27 ninazerg wrote:
I couldn't agree more. Shit like this pisses me off:

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.


I don't know how the fuck someone can take something like that so personally. If Naniwa can hear the crowd outside the booth, then so can Polt, and it doesn't take a genius to know that if you hear people making an unusual amount of noise early in the game that something might be awry. But since you worship Polt, you'll believe bullshit like "That was standard scouting on that map" and maybe he would've scouted there, maybe he wouldn't have, but he definitely would make sure to do it if he heard something.

Furthermore, I don't know how you can say someone is "toxic and disrespectful", then turn around and say you want to punch them in the face. That makes no sense. People need to quit using the anonymity of this forum to bash on him. So, he doesn't like the game. Big fucking deal. He doesn't have to like SC2. So, some people are like "His attitude is hurting the scene" and shit, but guess what? Look at how many people would watch when he played. Think about how many people love him, and all the accomplishments he's made, and then try and tell me he's "hurting the scene" or "community".


Why shouldn't I take the game I love personally ? I do what the fuck I want lol and you are none to tell me otherwise.
It's been proved that there was NO SOUND LEAKING and Polt is way too manner for letting things like that without noticing it. The IEM crew asks other players and there was nothing like sound leaking in the booth. That was just some asshole's excuses and Naniwa got what he deserved when he left the scene.
And what about anonymity, you are also insulting me right now behind your nickname right ? Behind a nickname or not, I'd stand still about what I think about him, he has a toxic personality and deserve everything he got in the last year.
I'm not rancorous about it though, If he wants to make a come back and start to be more respectful with others, I don't see the problem, I respect his play and I give him credit for his skill.
And if he was such a good blessing for SC2, explain me the huge booing during IEM. Yeah, so much love for the guy.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 21:18:55
July 20 2014 21:18 GMT
#153
If football is so successful, explain me why people boo against the team their own team plays against!!!
beep boop
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
July 20 2014 21:27 GMT
#154
On July 21 2014 01:28 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 23:42 Penev wrote:
I hope you (and Stephano) will reconsider; I miss having the possibility of a non- korean win. There's not even been a runners up spot yet this year..
Can't blame (both of) you though; Good luck in whatever it is you're going to do.


Isn't Stephano on a team again?

And well, Scarlett, Bunny etc are surely better bets than Naniwa to win anything.

I don't think Stephano is treating SC2 the same as before. Scarlett and Snute (Bunny?) are "foreign hopes" as it is called but none of them have been as successful as the two we're talking about (yet). Don't you think that with Naniwa and a seriously training Stephano, chances of a foreigner winning a premier championship are bigger?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
July 20 2014 22:10 GMT
#155
I don't care about the drama, all that matters is the sick nerd chills when you got deep or won a tournament. gl & hf for whatever comes next !
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
July 21 2014 05:52 GMT
#156
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Naniwa... you were my inspiration when I played the game, you will always be the best foreigner to touch this game. I will forever remember you as the man who thumbs-downed Nestea in what may have been his prime.You will always be King of the North, GodSlayer... no one will ever take these titles from you. Although, as many of your fans would wish you to come back either now or later; I hope you pursue a life that you are PASSIONATE about. I know you don't need anyone to tell you that, because you have shown us time and time again you just don't give a fuck about all these bitch ass people-pleasers in e-Sports. I applaud you Naniw[A], I really wish there would be more people like you in this world. I have always been a Naniwa fan, not because of: your playstyle, your race (in-game), your ability to destroy (even the best) Koreans; but, of your ability to be who you are after everyone has shunned you, for being you.

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"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Picasso
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)52 Posts
July 21 2014 10:38 GMT
#157
I use your builds to this day and you were for sure one of the best to ever set foot on this game, unquestionably the most committed and talented foreigner to play SC2. I really hope you come back some day and show us your stellar game sense.
Reality-
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark20 Posts
July 21 2014 14:05 GMT
#158
I really really hope you never come back, and never go pro in another game.
Again and again you have shown your disrespect for the game, other players and for your fans.
I used to be a fan, i tried to stick with it but you made it god damned near impossible to root for you.

Enjoy retirement.
Viper.BrutaTroN
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
United States18 Posts
July 21 2014 16:03 GMT
#159
I felt like this was incomplete, but at the same time it seems like Naniwa is socially dis-attached from the world and has his own demons to battle.
The bad boys of StarCraft are back!
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
July 21 2014 19:50 GMT
#160
The Passion for this game never really goes away.... The Desire to play does.... I hope this truly isnt the end for you Naniwa and maybe one day your desire will regain its flame.

I enjoyed watching you play because you were you. and i respect that your were real.

Entaro Naniwa
www.twitch.tv/jornada28 Master Protoss. Follow me on Twitter for SC2 Updates https://twitter.com/#!/elelvlent
Synergysc
Profile Joined September 2013
United States25 Posts
July 21 2014 20:02 GMT
#161
On July 19 2014 15:13 Gako wrote:
It continues to amaze me a player who never learns could become that good at starcraft.


Maybe because he gave up everything to become that great of a player. Regardless of how you feel about his personality, you can't help but respect him for the insane dedication he had for the game
Quixotic_tv
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-21 21:58:05
July 21 2014 21:56 GMT
#162
I don't think I know Naniwa good enough to tell if he is a nice guy or not,
since I never met him, as well as nearly all ppl here.

But I do think that on one hand he created a lot of drama that wasn't necessary.
And on the other hand I think he doesn't need to justify himself that often, because that makes
me feel that he actually cares if people do hate him.

All in all he was one of the best players with a huge influence to the game, and that's what counts.

Cheers to Naniwa, I enjoyed your shots you fired on twitter as well as your excellent play.
Life always finds a way.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 01:23:05
July 22 2014 01:20 GMT
#163
I'm glad that he's moving on, I think if he continued to play he could have had more of these types of episodes (besides other provocative statements), which is not pleasant for anyone. Its nice that he could get some closure on this issue though, now he can hopefully move on in peace
Cassalina
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States65 Posts
July 22 2014 02:05 GMT
#164
i hate to see him go, but i can only feel for him...as a pro gamer, the evolution of your game is what keeps the drive going, and keeps it from becoming dull. think about it, these people don't play for "fun" anymore - it becomes a job/way of life...so the only way to keep things interesting is to have an ever-changing meta (which sc2 had for quite some time) that never fades. i think SC2 levelled itself out, and the evolution of the game has come to a weird halt.

not sure there's anyone or anything to blame, but the feeling i get from naniwa is the direction balance/units are going in. it just doesn't feel or seem like a true classical RTS game...

i'm not gonna place my opinion on this matter, as it's irrelevant to the topic, but i do miss naniwa, and i kind of feel what he's going through...it's got to be heartbreaking to not have the game evolve the way you would like it to...and i know he's just one person, and the world doesn't revolve around him, but i'm sure we can all agree with him on some level that the game has definately had its dull moments, and the current evolution of the meta is just not "fixing" any of the major issues a lot of pros bring up.

david kim is a smart guy, and i hope he'll continue to be open minded for the duration of HotS and into LotV. LotV will have high high high expectations from a lot of players...pro and casual alike.

stay in touch nani, and please give LotV a chance...even if it's not for pro gaming, i think you bring a lot to the table.
"advance solidly, fight solidly"
stubzi
Profile Joined April 2013
30 Posts
July 22 2014 05:25 GMT
#165
Miss you Naniwa, one of my favorite players of all time. You were an amazing Protoss player.
DookuSc2
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada7 Posts
July 22 2014 05:30 GMT
#166
Great memories. Good luck with whatever you plan to do.
zalem95
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru184 Posts
July 22 2014 05:49 GMT
#167
gl in whatever you choosos to do Nani ♥
nothing special
SpunXtain20
Profile Joined January 2014
Australia554 Posts
July 22 2014 07:36 GMT
#168
Nanijwa. I still remember your 24-2 run. Legendary
*Hugs all* | I came here to drink milk and kick asses, and I've just finished my milk.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
July 22 2014 13:22 GMT
#169
GL. The only player fanclub of I joined
thekoalaz
Profile Joined October 2011
United States109 Posts
July 22 2014 17:11 GMT
#170
On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:
I am still the guy who loved / loves starcraft more than anyone else considering the amount of time and effort i put into the game .


So true. Don't listen to those haters that haven't even loved a single thing as much as you have.

GGGL!
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
July 22 2014 17:39 GMT
#171
I miss rooting against you.
"Right on" - Morrow
zenule
Profile Joined July 2014
Romania2 Posts
July 23 2014 08:36 GMT
#172
you are the very reason I started playing sc2! I really hope you return to the scene so that I can once again have somebody to cheer for :D
zak naku afal
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
July 23 2014 10:58 GMT
#173
<3 Nani

GL with whatever it is you're doing or will do. You were one of my favourites, and every stupid Naniwa drama that happened, while it would never have happened to me how it did, i always had massive empathy for your situations. And more often than not they exposed some abject stupidity within the scene.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
nonlamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Thailand322 Posts
July 23 2014 18:51 GMT
#174
I know how it feel to force yourself to do something that you no longer enjoy. Yea, feeling dead inside.

Naniwa, thank you for everything you have done for SC2 scene. I wish you all the very best for the future.

Just a E-Sport fan but not play any xD
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10325 Posts
July 24 2014 04:30 GMT
#175
Very unfortunate to hear this, but you left a good legacy and if you really don't love it right now then I'm only happy that you aren't forcing yourself to keep playing it.

I hope that you might come back one day, but thanks for all the practice and games you showed, it was really entertaining seeing you take down koreans, and I can only imagine how hard you must have trained!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Hassan_RO
Profile Joined May 2012
Romania77 Posts
July 24 2014 04:37 GMT
#176
On July 19 2014 07:17 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 22:32 gruff wrote:
On July 18 2014 21:53 Faust852 wrote:
I really think you should not come back if you don't change your persona. You are way too toxic and disrespectful. Damn, I wanted to punch you in the face when you said Polt won the game because the lack of soundproof, that's such a terrible insult to the most mannered Polt. And the last drama with Kane, wtf with you. SC2 is better without such a toxic person.

Toxic is such a bullshit word for not being able to articulate why you want him gone. He added a lot to the scene and without players like him the sc2 scene is a lot more boring to follow. You can't say with a straight face sc2 would have been better without him regardless if you like him or not. I'm not saying all he did was for the better but he was an asset to the foreign scene for a long time, asshole or not.

Toxic is a word that is not really ban-worthy.
And what did he really do for the scene ? Ok, he was the best foreigner for a while. But that's irrelevent, he was good at the begining but so was idra, jinro, White-ra or Dimaga.
Then Stephano came, and took the title for more than a year, by far. Then Nani did some kind of comeback, but in the meantime Stephano was still the best foreigner, Lucifron was on fire and Scarlet was rising.
He did nothing that had a big impact on the scene but being an asshole to others players and fans.
I can take idra as an other exemple. Look; noone even talk about him anymore but he was like the biggest symbol of sc2 at his time.


Agreed with the 852 guy above (with 2000 posts no less!) Sincerely good riddance, good luck on what you do next. There are lots of new, rising young players who can carry the foreigner torch without being so BM. I will admit i suppported you for awhile, with a bent heart, even after the probe rush incident, but you just kept going on and on witht he BM.
Imho the SC2 community doesn't need Idras or Naniwas to keep it alive. We get enough excitement from Korean no-names
leaving their code B and crushing tournaments at their first try (hello Sascri, Pigbaby,.........).
And we have enough drama with WCS AM and WCS EU being...welll...anything but American or European.
We have plenty of things to debate and argue over, without having our foreigner hope be a....Naniwa.
So once again good riddance and i hope to NOT see you back.
"Long live the EMPEROR" Lim Yo Hwan!
FreDMouL
Profile Joined April 2011
France59 Posts
July 24 2014 15:34 GMT
#177
please do not come back
My better is better than your better
iamkaokao
Profile Joined March 2011
108 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 18:15:50
July 24 2014 18:12 GMT
#178
I dont want to bash naniwa.. and this comment wont be refered to naniwa only.. but any progamer out there...

Things like " my team forced me to play" is one of the biggest problems i see in esports.. and specialy foreigns.. " despite of the time dedicated by the players " the big majority of them.. dont know or understend what to be a profesional means.. not only the way they act and speak to public.. there is soo many examples and comments iv heard everyday from progamers.


Trust me i understand how hard it is to be at the highest lvl in a game like sc2.. i respect it like nothing else.. but watching how players like dongraegu.. taeja. stephano. or many others.. saying things in interviews like

"im not even practicing now"
"im bored of the game"
"i think i will quit , i dont enjoy it anymore"
"i will try my best the next tourney but if i dont win i will consider retiring"

All this is true..as it is in any job.. and much worse.. probably but its like saying you cant wake up early on to go to work.. because you are tired.. ..what does the sponsors or people think about esports after listening to this kind of stuff? people retiring and coming back after 2 months.. people trash talking their own team or game... in public interviews.. how can you expect it to be better? to get more sponsors and money? or grow if everyplayer has this attitude...

At least this is how it looks.. i do respect naniwa as a player.. and wish him the best tho.. but will face this problem in any job you get.. unfortunately..

Frogstomp
Profile Joined January 2013
United States125 Posts
July 24 2014 22:09 GMT
#179
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
July 25 2014 12:56 GMT
#180
Miss you a lot NaNiwa. I held up hopes that you would come back...
Whatever you choose to do, I wish you all the best, success and happiness.
Thanks for everything <3
Cortza
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
South Africa328 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-26 09:12:51
July 26 2014 09:01 GMT
#181
I will always admire your work ethic. Gl with whatever you decide to do.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 28 2014 06:37 GMT
#182
"I am still the guy who loved / loves starcraft more than anyone else considering the amount of time and effort i put into the game"

Seeing that part being quoted so often - I do not think you're the one who practiced most out of all Starcraft players out there. Your attitude towards people sucked, and reading this blog just adds insult to injury. You're not even putting in the effort of using proper grammar or punctuation, and the blog reads more like a five minute "I'm done take it or leave it" than a real message to your fans. Godspeed on your way, and please do not come back.
sickofgaming
Profile Joined July 2014
1 Post
July 29 2014 14:34 GMT
#183
No! NO! This CANNOT BE TRUE!

You represent, not only Sweden but all foreigners in SC2, if not e-sports in its entirety! You have to make a comeback in Lotv and take back the throne as the single best foreign player. You have inspired me through out your whole career.

Tonight we shed a tear for the best foreign player in star craft 2 ever. Please come back!

Best regards from Sweden
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
July 30 2014 16:21 GMT
#184
I hope your able to come and just take a vacation in Korea sometime Naniwa without having to worry about gaming, its a fun place when you get to go out and have fun ^_^
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
July 31 2014 11:17 GMT
#185
Bye Naniwa, you were fun to watch and even tho i didn't always root for you and you always admire foreigners > Koreans!

You need to work on yourself and your people skillz tho :D

enjoy life
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Aber
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden332 Posts
August 04 2014 20:40 GMT
#186
HF nani, was fun watching you play when you still loved the game
Trying is the first step towards failure
UareMyBestFriend
Profile Joined August 2014
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-05 19:53:17
August 05 2014 19:52 GMT
#187
Naniwa, in the end you are and always have been a nice guy, who loved starcraft, was great at it and gave us some AWESOME moments.

Best wishes for the future, in whatever you chose to do.
IMSlayers_Boxer
Profile Joined July 2014
United States14 Posts
August 07 2014 12:12 GMT
#188
thanks for paving the way your attitude couldve been eeter sometimes but thats who you were ill never hate on players who helped take down koreans even though i am one it made good games and you were good i do hope youll come back you have the potential you were a jinro and idra from a later time
Nuf
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark145 Posts
August 07 2014 22:27 GMT
#189
On July 18 2014 02:32 StarGalaxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 02:25 Zheryn wrote:
On July 18 2014 02:24 StarGalaxy wrote:
"I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more"

but for what are you sorry?


The way he handled the situation? ...

that's not a reason.
to clarify i am wondering why/ for what reason he is feeling sorry since he only explains why he is not sorry.


You are a bit stupid. Try to semi-carefully read the sentence Naniwa wrote. He is very sorry for HOW THINGS WENT DOWN AT THIS EVENT.
That means, he is regretful about this whole scenario. Stop being a smartass. Hopefully you calm your ignorance and your flatout fake "superior and more intellectual being" bullshit.
For the Swarm!
corona_0489k
Profile Joined April 2011
United States27 Posts
August 09 2014 23:50 GMT
#190
Naniwa, I think you're awesome!!!!!!!!
This is Sparta!!!
SCguineapig
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Netherlands289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 22:15:56
August 10 2014 22:14 GMT
#191
there goes some of our foreign hope.


edit: btw how is today my birthday? my birthday is on the 12th.....
broodwar wasn't perfect
Johnnyq
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany21 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 16:47:15
August 11 2014 16:46 GMT
#192
Nani was a great player and his actions displayed that he did not care about other people's respect or opinions towards him. He just wanted to be the best. I guess the best way (for a player) to deal with the spotlight is to be yourself and just don't care.

People will tolerate IdrA hoping for an opponent to die or Stephano "joking" about raping a girl. However they cannot cope with the disrespect of Naniwa. I don't get it. Just yesterday Innovation played four times proxy12rax (Destiny1) he robbed Major of showing his skill versus a top player and disappointed all fans hoping to see Innovation's skill. Where is the hate post about that? Despite people's actions, Nani's actions are consequent. Doing the probe rush took guts and shows his character. If there is no point in playing. Don't play.

p.s.: Yes, this topic made me create an account, because Nani deserves to make me raise my voice.
I'll have you know, that in the field of physics, we work with particles so small, they make fat jokes about the locus coeruleus!
Oakenshield
Profile Joined January 2013
United States347 Posts
August 11 2014 18:55 GMT
#193
I think most Starcraft (and Blizzard games in general these days) are a bore but Naniwa had an exciting playstyle and a likeable personality. Let's remember that.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 21:59:19
August 11 2014 21:58 GMT
#194
On August 12 2014 01:46 Johnnyq wrote:
Nani was a great player and his actions displayed that he did not care about other people's respect or opinions towards him. He just wanted to be the best. I guess the best way (for a player) to deal with the spotlight is to be yourself and just don't care.

People will tolerate IdrA hoping for an opponent to die or Stephano "joking" about raping a girl. However they cannot cope with the disrespect of Naniwa. I don't get it. Just yesterday Innovation played four times proxy12rax (Destiny1) he robbed Major of showing his skill versus a top player and disappointed all fans hoping to see Innovation's skill. Where is the hate post about that? Despite people's actions, Nani's actions are consequent. Doing the probe rush took guts and shows his character. If there is no point in playing. Don't play.

p.s.: Yes, this topic made me create an account, because Nani deserves to make me raise my voice.

Why would you hate a player that uses legit game tactics to win a game, overcoming his lag-enforced disadvantage with a solid allin? you're salty.

On August 12 2014 03:55 Oakenshield wrote:
I think most Starcraft (and Blizzard games in general these days) are a bore but Naniwa had an exciting playstyle and a likeable personality. Let's remember that.


So you're saying the game that this website is about is boring while having an account here and you're also saying that one of the most insulting progamers of that game has a "likeable personality"? Not sure if trolling.
Johnnyq
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany21 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 07:50:32
August 12 2014 07:48 GMT
#195
On August 12 2014 06:58 boxerfred wrote:
Why would you hate a player that uses legit game tactics to win a game, overcoming his lag-enforced disadvantage with a solid allin? you're salty.

It seems like you want to get me wrong. You know exactly what I mean and how "legit" this tactics is - four times - in a row. He did not complain of lag and strangely there were macro games, c'mon stop that pointless nitpicking. And where did I state "I hate" anyone? I just said it's something that might be considered disrespectful.
However the way people chose what is disrespectful obviously depends on sympathy.
I'll have you know, that in the field of physics, we work with particles so small, they make fat jokes about the locus coeruleus!
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
August 13 2014 08:58 GMT
#196
On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Basically i will try to write down my perhaps final thoughts about starcraft 2,

I realise now after reading alot of the comments that my random tweets who i thought were harmless actually just sound bitter and negative ( which they obviously were ) but i didnt really think it through as deep as you guys did. I am still the guy who loved / loves starcraft more than anyone else considering the amount of time and effort i put into the game . For starters i know that i have alot of haters and i dont really care about that , i am not gonna be a little girl and make an AMA to make you people on the internet like me. But i just want to write my opinions once so i dont have to see people speculating anymore .

I will probably not come back to sc2 even at legacy of the void because i feel like the best way to compete in sc2 is to train in korea and i have no passion to go there again as it was extremly mentally draining and the only reason i could endure it was because i had Sase and Snute to talk to on the later trips. Also swarmhosts made the game so incredibly boring in my opinion.... but yeah im sure you already know my opinion on that already so no need to go there.


Iem katowice.

How this event was handled by me was probably one of my biggest dissapointments.

Let me make it clear that i had no intention of going to this event at ALL, I only went because my team forced me to go.

I hadnt played a single game of starcraft one - two months prior to this event because i felt absolutely zero love for the game at this point unfortunately
and im not the kind of guy who can force myself when i lose passion for something. because starcraft to me is not a job, it never was a job. + Show Spoiler +
its always been my life and something i loved so much. During my peaks in the game i played around 12-16 hours every day and when i slept i thought about strategys so its not really like i can force myself to do this as im sure you can understand its not an easy feat.

If i had the chance to do it all again, I would definitly rather take a fine from EG / ALLIANCE than go through with what actually happened again. I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more , because they did not since i qualified through it fair and square. if they were better than me then they wouldve qualified but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations.


I appreciate you as a player who plays for the love of the game, and I do agree and understand most of what you said. BUT, there is still this one point on which I disagree. As long as you're earning money from it, it's a job and you have to deal with it, or your don't get the money.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
August 20 2014 06:01 GMT
#197
On August 13 2014 17:58 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 01:58 Naniwa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Basically i will try to write down my perhaps final thoughts about starcraft 2,

I realise now after reading alot of the comments that my random tweets who i thought were harmless actually just sound bitter and negative ( which they obviously were ) but i didnt really think it through as deep as you guys did. I am still the guy who loved / loves starcraft more than anyone else considering the amount of time and effort i put into the game . For starters i know that i have alot of haters and i dont really care about that , i am not gonna be a little girl and make an AMA to make you people on the internet like me. But i just want to write my opinions once so i dont have to see people speculating anymore .

I will probably not come back to sc2 even at legacy of the void because i feel like the best way to compete in sc2 is to train in korea and i have no passion to go there again as it was extremly mentally draining and the only reason i could endure it was because i had Sase and Snute to talk to on the later trips. Also swarmhosts made the game so incredibly boring in my opinion.... but yeah im sure you already know my opinion on that already so no need to go there.


Iem katowice.

How this event was handled by me was probably one of my biggest dissapointments.

Let me make it clear that i had no intention of going to this event at ALL, I only went because my team forced me to go.

I hadnt played a single game of starcraft one - two months prior to this event because i felt absolutely zero love for the game at this point unfortunately
and im not the kind of guy who can force myself when i lose passion for something. because starcraft to me is not a job, it never was a job. + Show Spoiler +
its always been my life and something i loved so much. During my peaks in the game i played around 12-16 hours every day and when i slept i thought about strategys so its not really like i can force myself to do this as im sure you can understand its not an easy feat.

If i had the chance to do it all again, I would definitly rather take a fine from EG / ALLIANCE than go through with what actually happened again. I am very sorry for how things went down at this event, not because i felt like someone else deserved the spot more , because they did not since i qualified through it fair and square. if they were better than me then they wouldve qualified but because i want to show my best condition to everyone whos watching, and most importantly im sure you all know i took a great amount of pride being a player and i want to live up to my own expectations.


I appreciate you as a player who plays for the love of the game, and I do agree and understand most of what you said. BUT, there is still this one point on which I disagree. As long as you're earning money from it, it's a job and you have to deal with it, or your don't get the money.


I don't think you've heard of the phrase, "to each his own"... words are subjective, and many of those out there have chosen to give the word "job" a different connotation from the norm. yes, a job is something "you're earning money from" but it doesnt have to be. in a more economic perspective, a job could just be something you're going to do regardless of pay. but, because you're getting paid you enjoy it even more: utility gained exceed the cost you're putting in. to naniwa, the game was his passion and for the years that he has spent, it continued to be his passion. it wasn't a job (per-say) to naniwa, however, it soon became a 9-5 grind (and longer since progamers work 24hrs); and that's when it became a JOB.
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
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