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On July 06 2014 10:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 10:17 Spicy_Curry wrote:On July 06 2014 10:15 Laertes wrote:On July 06 2014 10:13 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Brands arent invited to the international so holding a grudge against the players doesnt really make sense. The way you are going about this makes it look like you have some sort of vendetta against empire. Could it be that you are the one that was who was scammed? Well that's just dumb, I like to take other people's vendettas and make them my own however. If we lose the capacity for outrage we lose the ability to make things right. If we don't put pressure on the organization things will not change. I hope they lose, maybe it'll show stranger he can't bully people like he's currently doing. Did these players do anything wrong? Vanskor Mag ALWAYSWANNAFLY Resolution Silent You really need to focus your hatred instead of spraying semen everywhere. No need to make offensive remarks like your last one. The players might've not done anything wrong, but you have to ask yourself, how can you put pressure on a team so they stop this criminal behavior. Obviously you can't just go sue them for $75... And if nobody cares about things like this, nothing will change. So I see where Laertes is coming from too.
Directing your anger at people who didn't do anything and had zero ability to stop the bad thing from happening isn't really a solution either. The players did nothing. Do we really blame employees when their boss does something wrong?
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On July 06 2014 10:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 10:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 06 2014 10:17 Spicy_Curry wrote:On July 06 2014 10:15 Laertes wrote:On July 06 2014 10:13 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Brands arent invited to the international so holding a grudge against the players doesnt really make sense. The way you are going about this makes it look like you have some sort of vendetta against empire. Could it be that you are the one that was who was scammed? Well that's just dumb, I like to take other people's vendettas and make them my own however. If we lose the capacity for outrage we lose the ability to make things right. If we don't put pressure on the organization things will not change. I hope they lose, maybe it'll show stranger he can't bully people like he's currently doing. Did these players do anything wrong? Vanskor Mag ALWAYSWANNAFLY Resolution Silent You really need to focus your hatred instead of spraying semen everywhere. No need to make offensive remarks like your last one. The players might've not done anything wrong, but you have to ask yourself, how can you put pressure on a team so they stop this criminal behavior. Obviously you can't just go sue them for $75... And if nobody cares about things like this, nothing will change. So I see where Laertes is coming from too. Directing your anger at people who didn't do anything and had zero ability to stop the bad thing from happening isn't really a solution either. The players did nothing. Do we really blame employees when their boss does something wrong?
I agree it's not the correct solution. But rather than offend someone else's solution, why not propose what you'd do? It's easy to critique without bringing any of your ideas into play.
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Dude, you are in a game? Are you feeding that badly?
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On July 06 2014 10:28 Plansix wrote:
Dude, you are in a game? Are you feeding that badly?
Starcraft APM.
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On July 06 2014 10:29 Laertes wrote:
Plansix has a point, but I'm still not quite sure what we should do about this problem. I get really mad when shit like this happens so maybe I overreacted a little bit. In case you're wondering, StrangeR refused to pay the guy he scammed now because he went to the community. I don't know about you but that's a little disgusting, is there an alternate solution or do we just have to let this poor guy take it in the ass?
If you are that disgusted pay the guy yourself. Thats how it works in the real world. Shit happens and Im not going to lose sleep over it. This is esports, its still very much like the wild wild west. You know DK still havent been payed for winning WPC from last year?
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Is this a joke ? I guess people are getting really bored till TI4 comes.
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On July 06 2014 10:44 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 10:29 Laertes wrote:
Plansix has a point, but I'm still not quite sure what we should do about this problem. I get really mad when shit like this happens so maybe I overreacted a little bit. In case you're wondering, StrangeR refused to pay the guy he scammed now because he went to the community. I don't know about you but that's a little disgusting, is there an alternate solution or do we just have to let this poor guy take it in the ass? If you are that disgusted pay the guy yourself. Thats how it works in the real world. Shit happens and Im not going to lose sleep over it. This is esports, its still very much like the wild wild west. You know DK still havent been payed for winning WPC from last year?
So your solution is that we should never do anything? And if organizations want to launder money, not pay players, scam, etc... We should just let these organizations be successful in the scene because hell, it supports esports?
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On July 06 2014 10:47 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 10:44 Spicy_Curry wrote:On July 06 2014 10:29 Laertes wrote:
Plansix has a point, but I'm still not quite sure what we should do about this problem. I get really mad when shit like this happens so maybe I overreacted a little bit. In case you're wondering, StrangeR refused to pay the guy he scammed now because he went to the community. I don't know about you but that's a little disgusting, is there an alternate solution or do we just have to let this poor guy take it in the ass? If you are that disgusted pay the guy yourself. Thats how it works in the real world. Shit happens and Im not going to lose sleep over it. This is esports, its still very much like the wild wild west. You know DK still havent been payed for winning WPC from last year? So your solution is that we should never do anything? And if organizations want to launder money, not pay players, scam, etc... We should just let these organizations be successful in the scene because hell, it supports esports?
Pretty much, this shit is what killed sc2.
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On July 06 2014 10:55 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 10:47 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 06 2014 10:44 Spicy_Curry wrote:On July 06 2014 10:29 Laertes wrote:
Plansix has a point, but I'm still not quite sure what we should do about this problem. I get really mad when shit like this happens so maybe I overreacted a little bit. In case you're wondering, StrangeR refused to pay the guy he scammed now because he went to the community. I don't know about you but that's a little disgusting, is there an alternate solution or do we just have to let this poor guy take it in the ass? If you are that disgusted pay the guy yourself. Thats how it works in the real world. Shit happens and Im not going to lose sleep over it. This is esports, its still very much like the wild wild west. You know DK still havent been payed for winning WPC from last year? So your solution is that we should never do anything? And if organizations want to launder money, not pay players, scam, etc... We should just let these organizations be successful in the scene because hell, it supports esports? Pretty much, this shit is what killed sc2.
Don't even try and start that. And there was not one single thing that "killed" SC2.
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On July 06 2014 10:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 10:55 Spicy_Curry wrote:On July 06 2014 10:47 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 06 2014 10:44 Spicy_Curry wrote:On July 06 2014 10:29 Laertes wrote:
Plansix has a point, but I'm still not quite sure what we should do about this problem. I get really mad when shit like this happens so maybe I overreacted a little bit. In case you're wondering, StrangeR refused to pay the guy he scammed now because he went to the community. I don't know about you but that's a little disgusting, is there an alternate solution or do we just have to let this poor guy take it in the ass? If you are that disgusted pay the guy yourself. Thats how it works in the real world. Shit happens and Im not going to lose sleep over it. This is esports, its still very much like the wild wild west. You know DK still havent been payed for winning WPC from last year? So your solution is that we should never do anything? And if organizations want to launder money, not pay players, scam, etc... We should just let these organizations be successful in the scene because hell, it supports esports? Pretty much, this shit is what killed sc2. Don't even try and start that. And there was not one single thing that "killed" SC2.
The drama train did not help it at all. This is grown up land, people can stick up for themselves and we can support them in doing so. But going crazy full drama on the team because one kid is out $75 is not a good response.
Fuck, I miss State of the Game.
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Only 5 people I know from team empire is resolution vanskor silent alwayswannafly and mag. So when I say I support empire to win or whatever, I'm only concerned about these guys. I'm not supporting the company or brand, I'm just rooting for the players.
Heck I don't think anyone in the scene supports organisations, and not players. The old mym were very big and popular. But no one cares that much relatively about the danish stack just because they are wearing that brand. If the entire squad of dk got replaced by say speedgaming.cn, would you still support this new dk squad? Or would you support the former dk team that maybe called themselves team imba or something.
While its good to highlight bad stuff that happened in the organisation, this has absolutely nothing to do with the players or ti4. No need to condemn or hope for shitty performances from the players.
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Why are people using the word 'scammed' in this discussion? They may have been negligent or lazy with the payout, but considering how big of an org Team Empire is, so readily accepting a missing 75$ streamer cheque as a 'scam' is rather ridiculous. The only thing even more ridiculous is trying to get more people to boo the DotA squad of Team Empire at a tournament over this.
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