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micronesia
United States24670 Posts
On May 26 2014 12:32 Scarecrow wrote: Wasn't there no Masters until after launch? I recall diamond being the highest league in beta.... and I think platinum was the highest at the beginning...? It's been a few years so I don't remember exactly.Sat in Masters since WoL beta, got it on all servers (GM on Sea before it was meaningless, took games off semi-pros). | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:04 micronesia wrote: For reference, of the tons of blogs that have been made over the years on TL of people contemplating or announcing improving to going pro, not a single one of them, that I recall, has ever become a pro. Wasn't there no Masters until after launch? I recall diamond being the highest league in beta.... and I think platinum was the highest at the beginning...? It's been a few years so I don't remember exactly. plat in beta, diamond on launch, masters a few months later. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On May 26 2014 22:52 CecilSunkure wrote: It's not as hard as people make it out to be. It takes dedication. To be the very best, I'm not sure, but to be a professional player isn't as hard as everyone makes it out to be. To be one of the best at <insert thing here> isn't that hard, so long as you're the type of person that has self discipline to achieve what you desire. Edit: I'm saying this given the assumption that opportunity is given. Of course if you live in a third world country with no opportunity, then sure it's probably impossible. But we're all here browsing TL so... look at somebody like jona, he has been full time for years, have accounts that are top #3 in most games played acount, yet hasn't have a major result. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:32 sabas123 wrote: look at somebody like jona, he has been full time for years, have accounts that are top #3 in most games played acount, yet hasn't have a major result. But he's a professional player. That's the thing, you can become a "pro" with the right dedication, but winning stuff is another matter entirely (from my not pro at all view on things ^^). | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
How do you guys define a "professional player"? Is a "professional player" someone who a.) participates at tournaments? b.) earns some prize money from time to time? c.) earns a living from e-sports? Are there any numbers on how many players are true professional players in NA? How many players can live from SC2 alone, without support from their parents? | ||
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HaRuHi
1220 Posts
c.) earns a living from e-sports Since it becomes his profession. What kind of commitment goes into someone competing at the highest level? The commitment of everyone competing at the highest level is pretty much the same. See Artosis, commitetted his life to starcraft, never made a living out of playing it, but made a living out of it  . See Van Gogh, committed his later life to art, never made a living out of it at all, became famous after his dead. If you can help it and do something else, you probably should. If you want to give it a shot and are ready to fail spectacular, well then we will be watching you. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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[BSP]Kain
119 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On May 27 2014 05:52 [BSP]Kain wrote: I think that most importantly it's totally not worth it and not how difficult it is. ;d In your opinion. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 26 2014 09:45 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: If they a good understanding of the game, the motivation, the dedication, and determination, how hard is it really? What else factors into a good player becoming a great player? Assuming by "good understanding of the game" you mean understanding at a subconscious level ( meaning they actually play the game and not understand the game by watching streams which is more of a conscious/surface level), it is really really really really really really really hard. You have to be talented. Every pro has played this game for 1000s of hours at a high level, so since everyone pretty much plays all the time, talent separates them. | ||
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[BSP]Kain
119 Posts
That's why I put "I think". | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On May 27 2014 05:52 [BSP]Kain wrote: I think that most importantly it's totally not worth it and not how difficult it is. ;d Someone has to do it, else there is no ESPORTS. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 27 2014 00:04 micronesia wrote: Wasn't there no Masters until after launch? I recall diamond being the highest league in beta.... and I think platinum was the highest at the beginning...? It's been a few years so I don't remember exactly. Yeah I don't remember that well either obviously, it's so long ago I forgot it was diamond. Was in the top league each time they changed it, until GM started. On May 27 2014 05:50 ninazerg wrote: You can go pro! All you need is to believe in yourself and go for it, and lots of time to practice. You may have to drop classes or quit your job, but it's worth doing for achieving a goal in something you love. I hope this is sarcasm. Not everyone can go pro and that believe in yourself crap is toxic when it comes to something as competitive as pro-gaming. 'Talent beats hard work when talent works hard'. If you're not young and exceptional then going pro is a terrible decision. On May 27 2014 10:10 Steveling wrote: You can do anything bro. Sure, while he's at it why not join the NBA and become a Chess Grandmaster? Oh and one guy became a dota pro after saying he would. Clearly that proves anyone can do anything! | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
The hard part is being dedicated. Like, of all the im-going-pro blogs over the years, I guarantee that almost none of them tried rly hard. They just felt like it, probably played their hearts out for a couple months and then went casual. There's a guy in dota btw, eternalenvy, who made a similar blog but actually succeeded. You will see him competing in TI4 with his team in 8 weeks or so. Why? Because #hardwork #dedication. Although I admit that's its easier to be picked up in dota since it's a bigger game. | ||
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SupplyBlockedTV
Belgium313 Posts
Getting high masters is easy....getting a few victories against pros here and there is easy....it shouldnt be very hard to be one of the better players in your state or country...but dont do it to make a living out of it because so very few do...even those who live in pro houses can often earn more flipping burgers and ateast when they flip burgers they only have to work 8 hours a day. Also....the only way why i got to beat people like axslav etc back in the day...is because i made my own build variations and added in some personal touches...and i practiced the same 3 builds (one for each matchup) day in day out on the ladder...not doing any other build. This made me a good ladder player...but a tournament player...dunno...not really once they know your gameplan....but i would still recommend doing it, its the best way to make progress...doing the same build over and over again untill you make 0 mistakes and know how to react in any kind of situation. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On May 27 2014 09:16 Scarecrow wrote: I hope this is sarcasm. Not everyone can go pro and that believe in yourself crap is toxic when it comes to something as competitive as pro-gaming. 'Talent beats hard work when talent works hard'. If you're not young and exceptional then going pro is a terrible decision. There will always be doubters like yourself, but the human spirit perseveres over the negativity of the world, in the face of all the statistics and odds and never-been-done-befores. He can definitely go pro. He just needs extra time to practice by quitting job/school/etc. to focus on pro-gaming. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 27 2014 14:52 ninazerg wrote: There will always be doubters like yourself, but the human spirit perseveres over the negativity of the world, in the face of all the statistics and odds and never-been-done-befores. rofl, you're living in a fantasy land built on hollywood cliches. Screw statistics, odds and rational thought. Who needs them when your argument's purely emotive anyway? Just gamble your future on a whim, because you're one of the billions of people that love playing games. | ||
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PassionFruit
294 Posts
If you've got the drive and you're down with the odds, then have at it. Just make sure you're looking before you leap. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On May 26 2014 10:36 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: I'm currently high diamond. Experience is probably my weak spot. I only began serious 1v1 in WoL beta. I've played other games in the past. The time I know is a big factor. I recall hearing the some pros play 40 games a day. I'm probably play half that during the week, of course I have more free time on weekends. Most current pros, if not all do not have another job, but I do. So I understand that aspect. Same thing with money, gotta pay the bills right...lol Not sure what you mean by mechanical ability in other fields. I know hand-eye coordination is a big key in this game, which I think I excel at. But anyway, I've always wondered if the stars aligned right, how serious of a push I could make. If you've been playing since WoL beta and are still in diamond, don't try to go pro. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 27 2014 08:18 The_Templar wrote: Someone has to do it, else there is no ESPORTS. The ones doing it are already very talented and get even better when full time. Get high na GM playing casually, then maybe think about going pro if you`re young enough. Not everyone can be stephano and even he wants to transition into a more viable career. | ||
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