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On April 25 2014 23:38 Pandemona wrote:Wow what a joke  I too read your blog the other day and was intrguied by it to then this happen. God dammit, live sucks sometimes. HOWEVER, imo you fight this, unless in your contract it states that if you cause x amount of damage you will be fired surely they cannot fire you on the spot for it? It was a pure accident, not being stupid or neglect or whatever. Just a pure freak accident? If i was you id reject them firing you and seek some free legal advice to see if you can fight it. By the sounds of it your a good employee with no track record of any bullshit before and this 1 mistake, which might be a huge one but it was a sheer accident, who people can vouch for it was. I work in payroll/hr department into one at my office for about 500 employee's of the top 3 biggest tyre company in the UK and well we have people claim against us for wrongful dismissal for 10000000x worst than this. Aka a guy wrote of a van 3 times, we sacked him. Then he filled a claim he was disabled and we dismissed him for being disabled LOL. Anyway back to the point, i personally think you would have a case for wrongful dismissal if you challenged it and would seek legal advice (free of course). GL though, hope you find a new job if you choose to do that.
I never liked the idea of challenging a corporation that generates billions of dollars in revenue. I just can't imagine that it'll ever turn out good for a plaintiff who chooses to do so. Their lawyers will find something wrong with what he was doing that night and say that the damages he caused were a direct result of said negligent behavior.
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if it's a big company, just bend over and take it ??
or you can grow a pair of balls and try anyway
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Baa?21247 Posts
On April 26 2014 03:00 lantz wrote:
if it's a big company, just bend over and take it ??
or you can grow a pair of balls and try anyway
A pair of balls + a shitton of cash for legal fees/attorney costs/etc.
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So I just got back home from getting fired. I have to say I feel a lot worse than I did previously. I guess there was still a small part of me that was hoping it wasn't going to happen.
They brought me in and sat me down, and got me to tell my side of what happened. And when I finished, they said that my story collaborated with what my co-workers had said. Then they asked me to leave the room so they could deliberate and come to a decision. As I was leaving the room, my boss, my head boss, says to me, "Don't worry, I know you're a good guy".
So I went outside and sat down, and waited while they talked in hush whispers for about 20 minutes. I started adding things up in my head. My story made sense with what others were saying, he called me a "good guy". Surely he wouldn't have said that if he was planning on firing me.
And then all of a sudden I heard this roaring laughter coming from the room. I could see through the narrow window that often accompanies doors, that my boss was holding his side from laughing so hard. I felt like an inch tall.
As they call me back in the HR rep is still wiping a grin off his face, and in very brief terms they tell me that although they concede it was an accident, it was also 100% caused because of me. Basically, 100,000 bucks of damage was caused and they needed someone to take the heat. Or at least that's the way it felt like to me.
As I stand up to leave the HR rep says, "Well, you've probably been fired like this before, so this shouldn't be too much for you".
Seriously? I'm already fired, and you feel like you have to give me some sort of parting shot?
And then, with this smirky small little smile he asks me if I have anything I wanted to add. I was absolutely fuming at this point, both with the laughter and his demeanor. I wanted to rip into him so badly, but all I ended up saying was, "Ya, I just wanted to say thanks for giving me this job, I think you guys are running a fantastic company and it was a real privilege working for you".
The union rep, who stayed silent during the whole thing, met me outside afterwards and told me he was going to file a grievance on my behalf, stating that I should get my job back but he didn't sound very optimistic.
So that's it then, I got fired today from the best job I've had to date. I sent out 12 e-mails scouring on craigslist, but I stopped when I got depressed after reading their job descriptions and their starting wages.
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Baa?21247 Posts
That sucks man.
I claim no knowledge or expertise on who these things work, but if your union rep sounded like he was actually going to file a grievance and stuff and not just doing lip service you can maybe try working with him. Maybe if you won't get a job back but maybe you can get compensated in some other ways? Knowing nothing about you/your union, unions can sometimes be very influential and companies are more likely to take union complaints seriously.
Good luck :o
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I'm so sorry to hear that. I saw the thread title but then read that you were going into a meeting and figured it was anticipation only to hear that you got fired The HR guy shouldn't have been laughing or making that comment, very distasteful considering what was going on. I'm sure you'll find another job in no time. How long have you been working there? Also, I agree with sheep. I would cooperate with the union rep since it may at least provide some closure (or at best get you the job back or some compensation). Best of luck and don't give up in the job hunt!
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sorry man
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I would of assumed the union would of been able to work with the company in order to keep your job. Essentially that's what they are there for. Accidents happen and even if it's huge the union should of been able to do something for you other than just filing a grievance. Still, I do feel bad and that is some shit luck.
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If there was a water nozzle that was ready to blow by casual contact with a wooden paddle, it seems like it's the company's fault. You can't leave unsafe shit lying around and then blame the person who happened to spring the trap.
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On April 26 2014 04:18 Jerubaal wrote:
If there was a water nozzle that was ready to blow by casual contact with a wooden paddle, it seems like it's the company's fault. You can't leave unsafe shit lying around and then blame the person who happened to spring the trap.
Ya, this is the part that I don't really get at all lol You just dropped something and pretty much ruined the whole place?
WTF kind of facility is this lol
This story sucks btw, feel really sh*tty for you... hope all goes well
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As I stand up to leave the HR rep says, "Well, you've probably been fired like this before, so this shouldn't be too much for you".
Fucking dick. I would have been inclined to tell him to go fuck himself. I mean you're already fired. :/ ...that's the biggest piss-off of all.
I read your other blog as well, sorry dude. Freak accident, but by the sounds of it your supervisor is a nice guy and will hopefully still give you a personal reference. Best of luck with the hunt.
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UGHHHHHHHHHHH that sucks!
They didn't have to be a bunch of assholes, even that's what HR is basically, but laughing at you and saying you've probably been fired in a similar manner before is a bunch of bullshit.
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damn man sorry. sounds like the HR guy was a jackass.
gl in the job hunt!!
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are u srs
wow that sucks. good luck with the next one
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2014 03:31 Fumanchu wrote:
So I just got back home from getting fired. I have to say I feel a lot worse than I did previously. I guess there was still a small part of me that was hoping it wasn't going to happen.
They brought me in and sat me down, and got me to tell my side of what happened. And when I finished, they said that my story collaborated with what my co-workers had said. Then they asked me to leave the room so they could deliberate and come to a decision. As I was leaving the room, my boss, my head boss, says to me, "Don't worry, I know you're a good guy".
So I went outside and sat down, and waited while they talked in hush whispers for about 20 minutes. I started adding things up in my head. My story made sense with what others were saying, he called me a "good guy". Surely he wouldn't have said that if he was planning on firing me.
And then all of a sudden I heard this roaring laughter coming from the room. I could see through the narrow window that often accompanies doors, that my boss was holding his side from laughing so hard. I felt like an inch tall.
As they call me back in the HR rep is still wiping a grin off his face, and in very brief terms they tell me that although they concede it was an accident, it was also 100% caused because of me. Basically, 100,000 bucks of damage was caused and they needed someone to take the heat. Or at least that's the way it felt like to me.
As I stand up to leave the HR rep says, "Well, you've probably been fired like this before, so this shouldn't be too much for you".
Seriously? I'm already fired, and you feel like you have to give me some sort of parting shot?
And then, with this smirky small little smile he asks me if I have anything I wanted to add. I was absolutely fuming at this point, both with the laughter and his demeanor. I wanted to rip into him so badly, but all I ended up saying was, "Ya, I just wanted to say thanks for giving me this job, I think you guys are running a fantastic company and it was a real privilege working for you".
The union rep, who stayed silent during the whole thing, met me outside afterwards and told me he was going to file a grievance on my behalf, stating that I should get my job back but he didn't sound very optimistic.
So that's it then, I got fired today from the best job I've had to date. I sent out 12 e-mails scouring on craigslist, but I stopped when I got depressed after reading their job descriptions and their starting wages.
I work for a union in Canada. We deal with all kinds of employers and members. We do not file grievances unless the member will get something out of it or it's a very important case in regards to legal precedence and it's do or die. If you're telling the truth about your positive work history there as well as the nature of the incident, an outside glance would say that you would have the chance at a cash settlement as a negative outcome and your job back as the best (and most likely) outcome. That's just at a glance. Also it depends on how far the case goes. If it goes to arbitration things can get spicy depending on the arbitrator. Don't give up hope yet... What Union/Local are you a part of?
P.S. the cash settlement is in relation to wages you could have been making since the date of your dismissal up until the date of settlement and/or arbitration.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 26 2014 06:54 Pathology wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2014 03:31 Fumanchu wrote:
So I just got back home from getting fired. I have to say I feel a lot worse than I did previously. I guess there was still a small part of me that was hoping it wasn't going to happen.
They brought me in and sat me down, and got me to tell my side of what happened. And when I finished, they said that my story collaborated with what my co-workers had said. Then they asked me to leave the room so they could deliberate and come to a decision. As I was leaving the room, my boss, my head boss, says to me, "Don't worry, I know you're a good guy".
So I went outside and sat down, and waited while they talked in hush whispers for about 20 minutes. I started adding things up in my head. My story made sense with what others were saying, he called me a "good guy". Surely he wouldn't have said that if he was planning on firing me.
And then all of a sudden I heard this roaring laughter coming from the room. I could see through the narrow window that often accompanies doors, that my boss was holding his side from laughing so hard. I felt like an inch tall.
As they call me back in the HR rep is still wiping a grin off his face, and in very brief terms they tell me that although they concede it was an accident, it was also 100% caused because of me. Basically, 100,000 bucks of damage was caused and they needed someone to take the heat. Or at least that's the way it felt like to me.
As I stand up to leave the HR rep says, "Well, you've probably been fired like this before, so this shouldn't be too much for you".
Seriously? I'm already fired, and you feel like you have to give me some sort of parting shot?
And then, with this smirky small little smile he asks me if I have anything I wanted to add. I was absolutely fuming at this point, both with the laughter and his demeanor. I wanted to rip into him so badly, but all I ended up saying was, "Ya, I just wanted to say thanks for giving me this job, I think you guys are running a fantastic company and it was a real privilege working for you".
The union rep, who stayed silent during the whole thing, met me outside afterwards and told me he was going to file a grievance on my behalf, stating that I should get my job back but he didn't sound very optimistic.
So that's it then, I got fired today from the best job I've had to date. I sent out 12 e-mails scouring on craigslist, but I stopped when I got depressed after reading their job descriptions and their starting wages. I work for a union in Canada. We deal with all kinds of employers and members. We do not file grievances unless the member will get something out of it or it's a very important case in regards to legal precedence and it's do or die. If you're telling the truth about your positive work history there as well as the nature of the incident, an outside glance would say that you would have the chance at a cash settlement as a negative outcome and your job back as the best (and most likely) outcome. That's just at a glance. Also it depends on how far the case goes. If it goes to arbitration things can get spicy depending on the arbitrator. Don't give up hope yet... What Union/Local are you a part of? P.S. the cash settlement is in relation to wages you could have been making since the date of your dismissal up until the date of settlement and/or arbitration.
Yes, listen to this guy. Hell i'd even push this. You got your line managers number, ring him/text him and make sure you keep up to date with what the fuck is going on. The way they treated you is like you were some child and acted like a bunch of cocks. I meet with these kinds of people in bank meetings for my company all the time, oh god they are a bunch of cocks. All sat their looking like Michael Douglas without a clue how anything works in the real world and just think out the basics. How will this make me money, how much will it cost me and how long does it take. Not anything else. When things go wrong they point the blame to everyone but themselves.
This is a freak accident, the boss of that factory for the company would have to just do a bit of, yeah sorry about that $100,000 order we fucked up on, i'll make it up by doing a double load (or something to windle the way out of it).
God this stuff winds me up so badly
All those people laughing are sat on probably $40-50k a year jobs or more and the real worker in the factory is getting fucked ;_;
/rant
Seriousness, try and persue this, you get money out of it if you win if not you get your job. Good luck in whatever you do, i'll keep an eye on your blogs. You might want to skip my posts as im just so angry for you.
What you said after they laughed at you also shows a lot of courage, im sure 90% of people when asked if anything you wanted to say after them laughing at you would of went ape shit. I would of played the sob story card probably and went, you guy think this is funny, i have a mortgage to pay for, a family to feed and your their laughing thinking this is a big joke? etcetc.
Oh well i need to stop. GL !!!
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I wanted to wait for your response but instead I'm just going throw another note out there.
If you're currently working for Purdy's under an agreement with CEP
http://www.bcbargaining.ca/content/912/Purdys-Chocolates-2012-2016.pdf
you have a 7 day expiry date on filing for a grievance from the date of the event itself. You need to insure that your business rep files that grievance or at least lets the company know of their intention to file before 7 calendar days pass. After that you are screwed.
The golden rule of avoiding grievances as an employer is "follow progressive discipline".
The rules differ depending on who you're talking to but it usually consists of :
Verbal warning (documented on paper)
Written Warning
Suspension
Termination
There are usually stipulations on how far apart each of these steps must be but that's all fine print stuff. You were not given any of these presumably and unless there are extenuating clauses in the contract I linked above then you have every right to back-pay as well as your job back. If your rep tries to avoid the issue to keep his relationship with the company there are steps for that too...
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shitty union you got there.
There is no gradation of sanctions??
things shouldnt go from ''dude youre da bomb'' to ''you fucked up son, youre fired''
hope it sorts itself out and that you get a better job next week.
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wow... Im so sorry man.
I read your earlier blog and you sounded like you took your responsibility for the value of the material very seriously and it really sucks to hear that your fears about an accident came true
Im sure things will pick up for you, its good to see you have an optimistic attitude. Hang in there man! 
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You definitely have to give the union rep a chance. People where I work have caused way more damage multiple times due to complete negligence and got their jobs back. Hopefully your union doesn't suck that bad. That being said I hope your looking for jobs on more than just craigslist..if you were able to work your way to a good job you should be able to find another one.
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