EPTCrash and Burn: I'm done waiting - Page 4
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
I'll be honest. Reading this confirmed my feelings about liquid that I got from watching 'Behind the Horse' and ever since TI3 ended. It never came down to talent or motivation with you guys. It came down to having a vision/identity and someone to be the driving force behind that vision/identity. During TI3 I felt like TL had a vision/identity but then TI3 ended and that identity broke up and ever since the new Liquid hasn't found a new one. When watching liquid I just don't feel that vision/identity I do when watching other teams draft and play. Hopefully this blog will reopen the communication that seems to have been lost and the team can be the team most fans expect it to be. I will say that I think you can be the driving for that can shape a the new identity or create a new vision for the team. You did it with FIRE and you did it with coL. I would wish you luck Fluff but I don't think you need it. I just think you needed a kick in the ass. Make the team into the team you know it can be. Not for the fans or even for the organization you play for. Do it because you believe you can. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
First of all, as a Liquid fan, I think it's pretty disrespectful and inaccurate to say that the team is a joke and that you are losers. We still remember the great success you guys had earlier in the team's history, a couple promising games you've shown recently, and of course your impressive placement at TI3. I don't know if you realize just how much joy that win over LGD brought me and other fans so it frankly stings to hear you dismiss this team so easily. Everyone knows tha Liquid dota is going through rough times but if you don't acknowledge the clear successes that you have had and the potential and ability you still have, that's being being blind or dishonest. On leadership... I agree that if you are the kind of person who is meant to be a leader, doing anything but that will only leave you with regrets. Being a leader means, though, that you have to fully take the benefits with the hardships, and realize the things that are and are not within your power. You stated that you have never felt the trust, friendship, and respect of the whole team. Being a leader means being able to launch into your job even without those things. More than anything else what leadership requires is confidence, in your ability and authority. If you don't have it you need to fake it until you do. People will want follow you if you believe (or seem to believe) that you deserve to be followed, and if you believe that you're meant to lead, you ought to believe that you deserve to be followed. You can't just ask someone to be your friend and respect and trust you any more than you can just ask someone to fall in love with you. You have to ask for a baseline of obedience and just do your part (drafting, shot calling, etc.) as best you can and if you're compatable with the team the trust and friendship will build over time. And if they don't respect you personally they should at least respect your positon, if not they or you have to go. At the risk of cliché, the strongest iron comes from the hottest fire and the greatest triumphs after the lowest falls. You and Liquid have the potential to go even farther in TI4 than you did TI3 and I'll still be rooting for you. | ||
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[O]ops
Italy44 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
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iNteLStyLe
United States346 Posts
On March 12 2014 19:00 Seeker wrote: Who is iNteLStyLe? A fan who wants TL to succeed. | ||
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Ruptur3
Costa Rica8 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
Ahhh okay. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On March 12 2014 19:15 Fwizzz wrote: I think fluff made the wrong choice here. He should have said this on the team rather than exposing this to the public. Its obvious that this is less of a rant and more of an ultimatum Fluff wants to be captain, and he's not going to be happy unless he's captain. Classic political move of putting this desire out in the public so it can't just be ignored. | ||
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lalalala
17 Posts
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Bryce241
Zimbabwe80 Posts
Bring back Liquid`Korok .. it's not too late. | ||
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Erasus
United States22 Posts
FLUFF, I appreciate your honesty in this post as an avid Liquid fan. My friends whom I play Dota with or converse about it with all consider me a Liquid fanboy, and it's a title I accept because I do believe in this team. However, I'm having mixed feelings about some of the things you addressed. Addressing the leadership is very important, and necessary. It's becoming more and more apparent that the internal issues of this squad is holding back the team from the top tier level of play that you guys can reach. But what troubles me is when you state that you'd willingly sabotage the team in order to show them that they need your leadership. You said it yourself, you're a guy who is "it's my way or get out of my way." Something big is about to happen and there are a few possible outcomes: 1) You continue to idly sit by while assuming some sort of co-leadership and drag the team down by sabotaging them. This is the result I fear the most. You cannot call yourself a leader when you admit you will willingly hurt your comrades. It does not work this way. 2) You leave the team, or get kicked. You start over. You titled this blog "Crash and Burn" for a reason. You find teammates you can believe in and they believe in you. You've expressed elsewhere how much you want to play a core role to show off your personal skill. 3) You leave this blog behind, and actually do what you're talking about. The greatest leaders didn't get the position handed to them, they rose to meet a need in a time of despair. You have to seize the moment and own all responsibility. If you stretch your wings and soar above the rest of the competition, or if the tar melts under the heat of the sun and you fall back down, you must own it. Since Liquid` Dota 2.0 formed post Ti3, all the talk amongst the team is how much potential this squad owns. Even those who ridicule and mock the team's poor performance must recognize the personal level of play each member possesses. I fully believe in this squad and it's potential. Do you? If you want your teammates to respect you, respect them. If you want them to believe in you, believe in them. A leader best demonstrates leadership by how well he follows his followers. If you can't put aside your differences and continue to intentionally hold back the team, then as you worded it in your post, "get out of the way." If you don't have the resolve to fill in the holes at the base of the sinking ship that is Liquid` Dota, quit making more and complaining about not having someone who can. The wind is rising, will you try to live? | ||
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Sippycup
United States12 Posts
On March 12 2014 19:15 Fwizzz wrote: I think fluff made the wrong choice here. He should have said this on the team rather than exposing this to the public. As an introvert myself, I have to disagree with you here. I believe this is a last ditch effort for Fluff to muster self-accountability for his actions by showing everyone a slight sense of vulnerability from someone who's normally extremely reserved. Introverts count on themselves for accountability, because a lot of the time as "quiet" people we see our thoughts and opinions get washed in and away with the people who dont have this kind of issue. We never want to step on anyone's toes, even if what they do makes us incredibly angry. Given a leadership role, when we mess up, we normally see it fit to get out of the way and retract back in to our shells when someone seems unhappy with our decision, and a lot of people look down on us for that. Despite being the captain and starting goaltender of a very successful high school hockey team, I was quiet and let things I shouldn't have slip on my team. I hated talking unless I needed to, and most of the time people that didn't share something in common with me would have an extremely hard time understanding what successful and meaningful communication was with me, so I left anything I didn't want to handle directly in the hands of my assistant captains. After that I spent time in two wars. Boot camp made me be loud, I found my voice after 17 years, and along with it came much more confidence in my own abilities as a leader, and promotions followed that very quickly. Fast forward to 2014 and I've finally found the balance I've needed all along. I'm still greatly an introvert, however I've found balance and comfort with the time and refinement I needed in my life all along. It took me being homeless, losing amazing jobs over layoffs or because of my age, having family and lovers abandon me for not being able to understand what Im doing, pulling myself back up from near death, finding an incredible woman, and forcing myself to stick to my career path to finally become successful and be happy with myself. It took me finding a person to force me to be accountable for my actions or pay the price of losing her and the family I want some day to finally wake the fuck up and fix everything. Liquid is Fluff's baby. I always see him and Bulba as the face of this franchise, and if I know a man dedicated to something he loves, telling everyone around him "HEY, MAKE ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY ACTIONS" is what he needs to fuel his desire to succeed. | ||
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4Darco
United States1 Post
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
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shilla
United Kingdom1 Post
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rkshox
Taiwan536 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Tell Bulba to get down his high horse, no, the leaving of korok doesn't warrant him to play mid, he cant play mid, period. He can do alot of stupid shit when he is on offlane but a mid player needs to know what to do according to different situations since a good mid simply doesn't make many mistakes, his understanding of heroes is too 1-dimentional. I keep getting this strong gesture of 'ohya man i am mid now, is my time to shine man!!!'. and about TC, wake him up to make sure he knows that this is not some pub game. Radi SK is fine (by all means, seriously) but going for a 4 protects 1 #1 SK is just stupid, simply because you have too many better options than a SK. Or at least tell the team your plans are, you dont go gank with a midas Void (who goes Bfury next LOL). If you dont play many pubs with your team the chances of winning a pub line up with your team won't look good, you dont need a genius to figure that out. and the supports seem always confused. I know good supports are hard to come by in NA but seriously the supports are more useless than what ixmike bro did back then. Find a way to fix that please. Maybe like you said you need to be the captain again, I don't feel like TC would be bothered that much if he doesnt draft for team :S anyway, i think most tler wish the best for our dota2 team, so please get your shit together. | ||
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
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