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iNteLStyLe
Profile Joined September 2012
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 07:43:25
March 12 2014 07:42 GMT
#41
Everyone on my friends list has human value no matter what their Dota skill. Fun to play with, skill, humor, conversating, etc. And I'm sure not the type of person to group people in a "worthless group"


To answer your question.


I honestly don't care a super lot I think its just kinda disturbing that he goes through the steps to create a "worthless" section of his profile
#RoadToTI4
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 12 2014 07:43 GMT
#42
can we not bring personal vendettas into someone else's blog rofl
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 12 2014 07:43 GMT
#43
On March 12 2014 16:41 i99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 16:37 Shaella wrote:
On March 12 2014 16:31 iNteLStyLe wrote:
On March 12 2014 16:13 GTPGlitch wrote:
On March 12 2014 16:09 iNteLStyLe wrote:
I don't get why anyone is rooting for fluff.

I am not cut out for pro dota yet I rooted him and supported him and he had me on a section of his friends list dubbed "worthless" I'm sure he thinks the same of all of you who support him.

Are you all that naive?


Maybe we're not all bitter fucks?


So you're going to actively support someone who likely would consider you "worthless" ?


Do you have some sort of mental problem?

Are you saying you don't have people on your friendlist you consider worthless in terms of playing with?


Even if they are you don't tag someone as worthless. pretty fucked up

the truth hurts brother.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Thomas7575
Profile Joined October 2013
United States10 Posts
March 12 2014 07:45 GMT
#44
That was some of the realest stuff I've ever heard. You just fully articulated the way I felt when I played on a team of friends a while ago. I was frustrated when we lost. "The team needed more structure." Then different structure. "Why don't they all see that I could solve our problems? Am I an asshole for thinking I could help better than our current captain?" "Is it me? Is it them?" It's both. The team succeeds as a team and fails as a team. Unless you're on a team where it's driven by 5 individuals' skills, and that kind of team is only as good as the individual performances that day. It's the leadership and synergy that makes the team and those things are kept strong by the team.

I really don't know how things are in your head or with your team. I hope you can keep in mind that a lot of the things you feel come from the comparisons of your inner thought to the way your teammates present them selves on the outside. They all think about what's wrong and have their own theories. TC and WayTo#WhereDidTheSexyGo doubt themselves too.

It sounds like you've got a hard couple of days ahead of you. Whatever you decide, I'm behind you all the way. Good luck, guys.
nü meta
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
March 12 2014 07:49 GMT
#45
On March 12 2014 14:30 LedZepp1109 wrote:
That being said, loved seeing you guys at the monster cup; it's too bad Bulba's poor positioning had to lose you that second game though.


Before I go in to what I really wanted to say I just had to comment on this: Yes, Bulba was out of position in the woods. Yes he got caught out. Yes it was bad. But saying Bulba lost the game for TL right there is a bit of a stretch for me. TL lost well before that, that was just the last drop. There were so many questionable descisions, from everyone on the team, in the late game. Bulba was a part of the problem, but not the biggest one.

To Fluff:
I know exactly how you feel. I've been a part of teams in different sports too, some which played on a high level, and the problem was pretty much clear from the "Behind the Horse" documentary. Now I'm sure it doesn't show the full picture, but when Hot_Bid was lecturing you all there was no reaction. And that's the worst thing that can happen in a situation like that. Sometimes you need to have a huge blow out. Hell when I played in the most successful team I've ever been a part of me and my best friend at the time would have physical fights during practise. He once, with skates on, directed a kick meant for my achilles tendon, something that would've crippled me for a long time.

After a loss there would be shouting matches in our locker room, people calling eachother out and attacking eachother (with words). But you know what? After that everything might be tense for a day, but the next day when we met up for practise or a team meeting, everything was forgiven. Forgiven but not forgotten. Sometimes you need to break down bonds to make them stronger. Have a huge fight over Skype. Have everyone get real upset and say what they feel. Then take with you what they said, not how they said it. It will make your team better.

From a liquid fan: GL, and I do hope you get that TI4 invite!
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
March 12 2014 07:51 GMT
#46
Apathy is death.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
iNteLStyLe
Profile Joined September 2012
United States346 Posts
March 12 2014 07:54 GMT
#47
Well I'm giving away a TL pennant. Or deleting it
Feel free to message me
#RoadToTI4
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 12 2014 07:56 GMT
#48
I don't know how I feel about this. The blog is really interesting, out I don't feel the part where you talk about leadership.

What makes a good leader is earning the trust and respect. Instead, a good portion of your blog is saying how you think everything would be so good if your team put their trust into you. You're asking the team and fans to trust you, that's never going to work.

The next thing is you talking about how the team should have he same goal and work together, but you follow it up by saying that you don't care if this team goes to shit if it means that you can achieve your personal goal of being a captain on a team that trusts you and don't even mention the goals and thoughts of the rest of the team.

I think a big problem is that you have a big ego and want to lead the team (which is no way a negative, it is definitely a good thing for a pro player), but you don't have the natural leadership and skills to take the team over. That's just going to result in you being bitter forever.
super gg
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
March 12 2014 08:03 GMT
#49
On March 12 2014 16:54 iNteLStyLe wrote:
Well I'm giving away a TL pennant. Or deleting it
Feel free to message me


I bet you're in the worthless section because you're too sensitive to listen to others or look at your own play to improve by the way you're acting
hpty603
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States262 Posts
March 12 2014 08:06 GMT
#50
To paraphrase what you said: "I'm literally the only reason FIRE did anything. They all sucked at the time, I was their Jesus". Obviously a little flavorful, but still you sound like an egomaniac.

You gave TC command of drafting, you guys started winning, then you felt jealous, started to force yourself into drafting again, which just caused more problems. "Blameless failures" is stated right after you said you were a direct cause of the team going downhill. Afterwards you go into full autism mode and essentially start pouting that you aren't the leader. You mention that you aren't really friends with them but you aren't giving great reasons as to why they should want to be friends with you.

You're probably right when you say you don't deserve a TI4 invite. IMO because EG is the better team right now. A team that literally just started back up. This team has better synergy and leadership already than Liquid. Primarily because of shit like you hoping your own team fails because you're pouting and caught in a fantasy where you were the true captain again. You demand respect and trust? You fucking earn that, you don't just expect people to hand it over for nothing. Look at TC, you gave him a bit of authority, and he thrived and gained even more influence because of it. That's how it happens. Becoming angry because people don't immediately respect you and do everything you say isn't being "emo" or "radical", it's being a petulant child. "I'm a dynamic person and I can be whatever I feel like so stop trying to put me into one of your idiotic categories." My first reaction of reading this line was that you're as immature as an angsty teenager.

I've honestly always liked Liquid, back before Jinro was beasting in the GSL. That's not really the case after reading this since I realize the captain acts like a brat and essentially throws tantrums when things don't go his way. If I were one of Liquid's higher-ups, I'd want you off the team after reading this. Stop acting like a bitch and get a grip.
I only play 2v2 to see how much of the map I can turn purple ~ Jinro
gosukiler
Profile Joined October 2013
7 Posts
March 12 2014 08:12 GMT
#51
A "worthless" section? And you throw it up for the public to see?
bigglesbiggles
Profile Joined August 2013
New Zealand30 Posts
March 12 2014 08:19 GMT
#52
in this post i make a lot of assumptions and probably fanfic a little. expect it to be full of shit. LETS GO.

As a fan who's been watching your team dynamics closely for some time, this post has been kind of written on your face in interviews for some time, as well as being a subtext in your blog posts. You seem to feel out of place on teams that you don't lead, but have doubts about your ability to have an appropriate social context for leadership. Every person on your team, of course, seems to experience some sort of will to lead ("inventing" things is a sort of leadership, for example, as is being a playmaker). With an autocratic view of leadership, I don't think you're gonna have space for every member to express themselves in-game. Leadership of a team is a variety of work, not inherently a higher form of personal stature. There's a lot of different elements to it (calls, drafting, strategic direction, tactical direction, managing interpersonal relationships) and I don't think you're gonna find any systems that have one autocratic leader to whose will everyone submits in every one of these aspects (be it in the domain of sport or in every day life) that aren't extremely toxic for at least one person involved. Yes, it's better if people just do what the call-maker says and accept their mistakes, let the drafter draft (with input) and play it out, but if done voluntarily these things are not submission to anyone's will. Your team has a lot of leadership at its disposal. Y'all just gotta put it to use in a way that doesn't invalidate people's contributions & abilities. Easier said than done though.


+ Show Spoiler +

Also that tinker win against na'vi was the best shit ever. Just throwin it out there.
iNteLStyLe
Profile Joined September 2012
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 08:37:42
March 12 2014 08:20 GMT
#53
On March 12 2014 17:03 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 16:54 iNteLStyLe wrote:
Well I'm giving away a TL pennant. Or deleting it
Feel free to message me
I bet you're in the worthless section because you're too sensitive to listen to others or look at your own play to improve by the way you're acting


I'm done talking about this. I hope TL figures their stuff out
Gl.
#RoadToTI4
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
March 12 2014 08:24 GMT
#54
Good luck Fluff.

I think while friendship is nice, its not necessary to winning. Plenty of professional teams (NBA, NFL, etc.) win and its about execution and skill. Respect and trust is necessary but friendship is not. There should be one coach/leader making the calls and its not necessarily one player throughout the game, and may even be someone outside the game too. Whoever it is, should be someone who has the faith of management and must earn the respect and trust of his team.

In your situation, whether this is the best way to do it will depend on how well you know your team and how they will respond.
Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
March 12 2014 08:30 GMT
#55
as this is much more a rant than a call for help or advice, i guess i'll just simply say i hope this provided whatever catharsis you were looking for.
Team LiquidPoorUser
Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
March 12 2014 08:34 GMT
#56
Win or Lose, rooting for Liquid'.

Hope things get better for you Fluff.
What i know is that I know nothing - [http://twitter.com/UncleKerm]
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 08:45:49
March 12 2014 08:43 GMT
#57
In the 14 major events/leagues since teamliquid formed the only time you guys finished lower then top 4 was at TI4. 3 1sts, 1 2nd place finish.

I mean sure, it could be better, but you're acting a bit dramatic for someone with a team in such a good position since its inception. Think of all the other teams who don't even have these problems and are facing 6th - 8th place every tournament and wont stop trying.

I get it, the team has some internal issues (that you decided to vent in public for whatever reason) but despite it all you guys are still performing at the top. Somebody needs to sit down and sort that shit out and when they do you'll stop taking those 3rd-4th finishes and be sitting at the top.

You're in need of a bit of a reality check tbh, your team might have internal issues you arent happy with and need to be fixed but to say all these things is a bit over the top with your stellar performance regardless.

I mean, at the end of the day it just comes across as a hissy fit because you arent the leader anymore.
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
buckKeefe
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States63 Posts
March 12 2014 08:44 GMT
#58
i am trying really hard to imagine how this post might contribute to improving the team, but it seems fated to end poorly. good luck finding a natural leader, TL
Thomas7575
Profile Joined October 2013
United States10 Posts
March 12 2014 08:46 GMT
#59
On March 12 2014 16:42 iNteLStyLe wrote:
I honestly don't care a super lot...


It sounds like you care a lot about how a 19-year old felt about you a long time ago.

I'm really sorry you feel that way.
nü meta
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
March 12 2014 08:53 GMT
#60
If you started drafting and captaining again like you used to, I wouldn't doubt for a second that Liquid would make a triumphant return.
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