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Going Paleo - A couple of Questions - Page 2
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
At least stop the Baileys, it's super processed, contains a lot of sugar and low quality fats. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19162 Posts
On January 15 2014 01:27 Darkwhite wrote: Keto involves eating no carbohydrates and lots of fat and protein. It is backwards because it takes focus away from what's important - avoiding tobacco and alcohol, calorie total, regular meals, hydration, regular and sufficient sleep, food allergies - and obsesses over irrelevant minutiae such as what sorts of nuts are yes-foods and no-foods. Actually, you don't seem to understand keto at all. There are specific points about tobacco, notes about alcohol (won't knock you out of ketosis but it doesn't do any good), caloric totals are important, regular meals are important, hydration is super important (since the body will retain a lot less water than people are used to), and sleep isn't ignored either. And if you read something about ignoring food allergies then your information source sucks. And the diet isn't a single set of instructions. It accounts for up to 150g of carbs per day, or as strict as 20g per day. The "irrelevant minutiae" are generally irrelevant minutiae for someone on a 100g intake, but for someone who has decided to go with 20g it's neither irrelevant nor minutiae. tl;dr I think you read a single article by someone who doesn't like keto and have assumed that the author knew what he was talking about | ||
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Paraietta
United Kingdom130 Posts
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Darkwhite
Norway352 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:00 tofucake wrote: Actually, you don't seem to understand keto at all. There are specific points about tobacco, notes about alcohol (won't knock you out of ketosis but it doesn't do any good), caloric totals are important, regular meals are important, hydration is super important (since the body will retain a lot less water than people are used to), and sleep isn't ignored either. And if you read something about ignoring food allergies then your information source sucks. And the diet isn't a single set of instructions. It accounts for up to 150g of carbs per day, or as strict as 20g per day. The "irrelevant minutiae" are generally irrelevant minutiae for someone on a 100g intake, but for someone who has decided to go with 20g it's neither irrelevant nor minutiae. tl;dr I think you read a single article by someone who doesn't like keto and have assumed that the author knew what he was talking about My second paragraph isn't about keto, it is about paleo (specifically the blogger's interpretation of it), which is what the topic is about as well. tl:dr I think you didn't read my post in context of the post I replied to and made a fool of yourself. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
I also drink about two liters of water each day. | ||
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Jh
Finland151 Posts
On January 14 2014 23:03 SixStrings wrote: How do you get enough protein to go to the gym regularly when doing Paleo? I know that I usually feel the need to stuff my tummy with tons of pasta the day after. This pasta binging is due to you using up all your glycogen (stored carbs in muscle and liver) during your (insane and stupid) 2+2+4hr workouts. Not because of a lack of protein. This brings us to your gym program, which appears to be shit because no one "goes hard" for that long except Arnold. And you're not Arnold. Get a program that focuses on squats, deads, bench press and chins. You can add in dips, OHP and maybe a set of abs if you want, but keep it simple. You should be in and out of the gym in an hour. Good luck | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:27 Jh wrote: Well ok then lets not talk about the drinking. This pasta binging is due to you using up all your glycogen (stored carbs in muscle and liver) during your (insane and stupid) 2+2+4hr workouts. Not because of a lack of protein. This brings us to your gym program, which appears to be shit because no one "goes hard" for that long except Arnold. And you're not Arnold. Get a program that focuses on squats, deads, bench press and chins. You can add in dips, OHP and maybe a set of abs if you want, but keep it simple. You should be in and out of the gym in an hour. Good luck That's a misunderstanding, I do 10 hours, not 30 hours a week. Two on one Tuesdays, two on Thursdays and four on Saturdays. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19162 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:16 Darkwhite wrote: My second paragraph isn't about keto, it is about paleo (specifically the blogger's interpretation of it), which is what the topic is about as well. tl:dr I think you didn't read my post in context of the post I replied to and made a fool of yourself. The way it's worded led me to believe you were still talking about keto Regardless, paleo is similar in that there are different levels of strictness, and "irrelevenat minutiae" aren't always that. Water intake is also not as unimportant as you make it seem. Paleo does favor "eat until full" rather than counting calories though. | ||
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Jh
Finland151 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:36 SixStrings wrote: That's a misunderstanding, I do 10 hours, not 30 hours a week. Two on one Tuesdays, two on Thursdays and four on Saturdays. I understood you. But four hours at the gym in one go? Lifting heavy? Mad. I spend 3 hours/week at the gym. It's plenty for making strength gains. And I'm on a cut at the moment! | ||
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Darkwhite
Norway352 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:41 tofucake wrote: The way it's worded led me to believe you were still talking about keto Regardless, paleo is similar in that there are different levels of strictness, and "irrelevenat minutiae" aren't always that. Water intake is also not as unimportant as you make it seem. Paleo does favor "eat until full" rather than counting calories though. The way it was worded misled you, there was no fault in your reading of it. Just like how listing hydration under what's important misled you to think I made it seem unimportant. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
There's so much (mis)information about that one would have to spend ages to make informed decisions about nutrition, so I yearned for some simplicity. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:42 Jh wrote: I understood you. But four hours at the gym in one go? Lifting heavy? Mad. I spend 3 hours/week at the gym. It's plenty for making strength gains. And I'm on a cut at the moment! I may just be taking longer breaks than you do. I take 90 seconds between body weight sets, 120 seconds between weight lifting ones and 60 seconds between exercises, so I really have more breaks than actual workout. | ||
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d00p
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On January 15 2014 03:04 SixStrings wrote: I may just be taking longer breaks than you do. I take 90 seconds between body weight sets, 120 seconds between weight lifting ones and 60 seconds between exercises, so I really have more breaks than actual workout. It's still way too much no matter what your goal is. Have you come up with your gym program yourself or have you looked it up online or something? Maybe consider consulting a trainer for a couple of sessions? I don't mean to sound condescending but I'm astounded at your 10 h a week. Especially the 4 h session. Your breaks are pretty standard afaik. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On January 15 2014 03:00 SixStrings wrote: What appealed to me was the intuitive sense the diet makes and the simple distinction between things you're supposed to eat and things you're not. There's so much (mis)information about that one would have to spend ages to make informed decisions about nutrition, so I yearned for some simplicity. What misinformation? If you want to eat in healthy fashion, just follow these rules: avoid sugary, salty, fatty processed foods eat lots of vegetables, including raw&green vegetables (especially leaf&cabbage-type) don't eat too much in one go eat foods that are hard to digest such as dairy, grains, legumes in moderation (and otherwise just follow common advice) | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On January 14 2014 23:03 SixStrings wrote: - sweet potatoes (good luck finding those in Germany, btw.) Rewe has them here from time to time | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On January 15 2014 03:17 d00p wrote: It's still way too much no matter what your goal is. Have you come up with your gym program yourself or have you looked it up online or something? Maybe consider consulting a trainer for a couple of sessions? I don't mean to sound condescending but I'm astounded at your 10 h a week. Especially the 4 h session. Your breaks are pretty standard afaik. Way too much? I'm surprised by this, I really thought that I'm on the lower side of working out hours. Don't lean guys do that as a half-time job? Even after doing two hours at the gym I don't feel like I have done all the stuff I should have done... | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:16 SixStrings wrote: Way too much? I'm surprised by this, I really thought that I'm on the lower side of working out hours. Don't lean guys do that as a half-time job? Even after doing two hours at the gym I don't feel like I have done all the stuff I should have done... If you're doing full body workouts, via compound movement free weights, then you will have your entire body worked out in an hour, often less when you start off. If you're doing isolation movements you have to spend far longer in the gym because it takes longer to hit the same amount of muscles that compound movements hit, and you have to work out more days a week usually. Have a look at something like Stronglifts 5x5 or similar for a workout program (website is turrible though, just turrible, but the information is generally correct). Basically you want to be doing compound movement free weights (e.g. bench press, squats, deadlift, overhead press, pullup/chinups, some form of rows (bent over rows or w/e), any big compound movements that target numerous muscle groups at once. For example, in squats you're focusing all of your upper leg muscles but you use a lot of stabilizing muscles to do a squat, which means that pretty much every muscle in your body is seeing some action. Bench press does arms and chest but uses upper back and core for stabilizing, deadlift does your back and legs but uses your arms and core as well, and so on. EDIT Also as far as consulting trainers go, it's very hit and miss. Some don't know what they're doing. | ||
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