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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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divito
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On January 12 2014 17:44 Omnishroud wrote: You want all the reward but none of the hardships. You dont get to start in the middle or at the top, you start at the bottom. Stop whining about minimum wage jobs and get on with it or remain a bum. I understand your reasoning and I believe it too, it's called grit, but you don't know me. My entire life I've been poor and kicked around. I've grinded my way into independence a couple of times only to be kicked back to square one over and over. It's really shitty and it's getting old. I want to learn a trade or something more stable than the shortsighted suggestions people offer up. I mean what is your advice for me to do? Just work shitty minimum wage jobs forever only to be kicked down repeatedly? Because that is the definition of insane. On January 12 2014 19:05 Deleuze wrote: I've heard good things about tefl jobs, though its far from my area itself. I'm told its a fairly good career option to, with an advanced level qualification I hear you can expect never to be out of work. Also not knowing the home language for the country you are teaching in is not a problem, you're not expected to speak anything other than English. Apparently there are extreme opportunities for sex with students as well. As I said, I've heard lots of good things about it but none of this is direct experience. EDIT: also, do you show your art online? It would be cool to see it! The sex with students thing is pretty unethical and grounds for dismissal in any context. It's pretty unhealthy boundaries. I admit it crossed my mind before you even brought it up, and I bet that is the appeal for lots of people getting into it. That temptation alone is one reason why I wouldn't want to get into it amongst a bunch of other more important ones. Check my other blogs for my art. I think for the most part people just don't care about art; more specifically they only care about it within specific contexts or if you have some sort of legend to go along with it. People like art, they just don't want to pay for it (unless it's trendy/tattoos). EG; I put CL ads up biweekly and a chick last week hit me up for a 16x20 canvas with her sister's name for her grad that people could sign. Even though my prices are clearly outlined she mentioned that she didn't want the background colored and just the name in the middle (so wanting a cheaper price), I cut like 10$ off and quoted her a price and she didn't respond back. Another ridiculous example: + Show Spoiler + I appreciate people suggesting teaching abroad, and while that is appealing on a short term level, and I do enjoy teaching/helping/volunteering, It's not something that greatly interests me, or something I can see progressing into something career based. I would much rather learn a skill like carpentry and then go to africa and teach people how to build if that makes any sense. On January 13 2014 06:31 docvoc wrote: The advice given in this thread is depressingly bad. Agreed. I understand people are trying to help, but I am most likely asking much younger people/students that don't really understand my situation fully, so that's ok. I can just try to skip over it. | ||
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KaiserKieran
United States615 Posts
On January 12 2014 16:25 Whiplash wrote: Frugal until you've saved enough to make it happen. Take 2 jobs. GRIND. GRINND ya gotta do what you gotta do. | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On January 13 2014 11:13 MarlieChurphy wrote: Check my other blogs for my art. I think for the most part people just don't care about art; more specifically they only care about it within specific contexts or if you have some sort of legend to go along with it. People like art, they just don't want to pay for it (unless it's trendy/tattoos). EG; I put CL ads up biweekly and a chick last week hit me up for a 16x20 canvas with her sister's name for her grad that people could sign. Even though my prices are clearly outlined she mentioned that she didn't want the background colored and just the name in the middle (so wanting a cheaper price), I cut like 10$ off and quoted her a price and she didn't respond back. Another ridiculous example: + Show Spoiler + He made $420 in one day of sales, that's not too bad... Agreed. I understand people are trying to help, but I am most likely asking much younger people/students that don't really understand my situation fully, so that's ok. I can just try to skip over it. I'm almost 27, have supported myself (including tuition) since I was 19 and am about to finish my 2nd degree debt-free. On top of that, I've made enough money to travel for a semester between degrees as well as take myself and my brother on a 3 week trip across South East Asia. None of this is parents' money or inheritance, I just work hard and am not a dumbass. So please, tell me how hard your life is and how difficult everything is. I can't wait to hear more. Get off your ass and do something, it's not that hard. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
Grinding is stupid. I want to work smart, not work hard- that just sets me up to nothing like I have in the past. Grinding doesn't work and isn't sustainable as the last 10+ years has shown me On January 13 2014 07:18 chadissilent wrote: What are you good at? Do you have exceptional people skills? Are you brilliant with anything technical? List your soft skills and maybe I can help you find something that will fit your skills. 'I am a jack of all trades but a master of none.' I can basically do anything, and learn anything, and do it pretty well, but I've never thought myself to be the best at any one thing. Maybe that's just a shitty modest/humble mentality, or maybe I just haven't found something that I am actually very very good at. Naturally an introvert, but I have learned applicable psychology in order to succeed in telemarketing, sales, and customer service, and to some extent relationships/women. side note: A popular bike chain store manager once called me for a phone interview and told me it was between me for my sales experience, and another guy who had none but had bike knowledge and passion for bikes or something. It was the longest weirdest phone interview I've ever had and the guy really just came off as a dick and trying to tell me I belong to a job with computers and cellphones based on my past (neither of which I really had a passion for in the first place). I mean I used every sales trick I knew to sway this man towards me but it's like he never wanted me in the first place, it seemed he just wanted to talk about stupid shit. I basically ended the coversation with the last ditch sales tactic of taking myself away, I said; "Well it seems that you're unsure if my sales background is what you want so I'm going to have to get back to job hunting now and if you make up your mind, give me a call." I learned how to solder etc. off of 60s youtube video and installed my car stereo and speakers. Is that brilliant?
I could probably list a dozen more things but I can't specifically think of anything off the top of my head without really getting introspective and spending a lot of time writing it all out. If you are serious, I can post my resume or email it to you. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On January 13 2014 11:56 chadissilent wrote: He made $420 in one day of sales, that's not too bad... I'm almost 27, have supported myself (including tuition) since I was 19 and am about to finish my 2nd degree debt-free. On top of that, I've made enough money to travel for a semester between degrees as well as take myself and my brother on a 3 week trip across South East Asia. None of this is parents' money or inheritance, I just work hard and am not a dumbass. So please, tell me how hard your life is and how difficult everything is. I can't wait to hear more. Get off your ass and do something, it's not that hard. I hope you are joking about the art. Who knows how long it took him to make all the work, then he had to setup and pay the men to sell it and film it etc. Arguably, this is business move/advertisement investment. You are one of these people that assumes art is simple and not hard work. There are all kinds of costs in time and money to create it, then there are additional costs of time and money to market and sell it. You can read about my art trials and tribs in my other blog if you care to learn about it. And the point is that the work he sold and didn't sell there, was worth thousands/millions of dollars and if the people knew that, they would have snatched it all up immediately (they don't care about it for the art, just for the monetary value). The rest is just anecdotal/bragging, I don't know you and you don't know me, so calling me a dumbass who doesn't work hard enough isn't going to accomplish anything. You also contradict yourself, is it hard work? or not that hard? | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 13 2014 12:18 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Is this how you filled out your resume? Because if it is then it could be the reason you are having difficulty finding a job that suits the skills you already have. I would never hire someone who wrote something like this on their resume. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
When I look at resumes I always look for facts and specific. Perhaps he worked on this kind of machine, or has fixed an x amount of cars for this specific problem. Maybe he designed this website or wrote a program to solve for a specific work related problem. Resume entries like that interest me. Boastful claims, however honest, however well written, do not. | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On January 13 2014 12:18 MarlieChurphy wrote: 'I am a jack of all trades but a master of none.' I can basically do anything, and learn anything, and do it pretty well, but I've never thought myself to be the best at any one thing. Maybe that's just a shitty modest/humble mentality, or maybe I just haven't found something that I am actually very very good at. Naturally an introvert, but I have learned applicable psychology in order to succeed in telemarketing, sales, and customer service, and to some extent relationships/women. side note: A popular bike chain store manager once called me for a phone interview and told me it was between me for my sales experience, and another guy who had none but had bike knowledge and passion for bikes or something. It was the longest weirdest phone interview I've ever had and the guy really just came off as a dick and trying to tell me I belong to a job with computers and cellphones based on my past (neither of which I really had a passion for in the first place). I mean I used every sales trick I knew to sway this man towards me but it's like he never wanted me in the first place, it seemed he just wanted to talk about stupid shit. You don't need to use sales tricks on people. He's also a salesman and is very well aware of these tricks. You have to sell him on YOU. What can you bring to the table that others can't? Why should he hire you over anyone else? Do you have something that can't be taught or that will take a long time to teach someone? I learned how to solder etc. off of 60s youtube video and installed my car stereo and speakers. Is that brilliant? So you're a motivated self-learner. You have technical experience analyzing circuit diagrams and basic electrical experience. You have basic automotive experience and are mechanically inclined. For a salesman, you really aren't very good at selling yourself 
I could probably list a dozen more things but I can't specifically think of anything off the top of my head without really getting introspective and spending a lot of time writing it all out. If you are serious, I can post my resume or email it to you. Let me try rewording some of this list. PS, NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER SAY YOU ARE NOT A TEAM PLAYER. You won't be considered for most positions if you state that on your resume. - Thrives under pressure - Highly motivated self-starter - Well developed sense of communication - Efficient time management to balance multiple projects - Takes a creative approach to problem-solving - Loyal employee etc. You should be able to substantiate all of these claims with your work/volunteer/extracurriculars and provide anecdotes when asked. Shoot me a PM with a link to your resume and I can take a quick look. I'm far from perfect but hopefully I can help. On January 13 2014 12:24 MarlieChurphy wrote: I hope you are joking about the art. Who knows how long it took him to make all the work, then he had to setup and pay the men to sell it and film it etc. Arguably, this is business move/advertisement investment. I also make art. I'm not good enough to sell it so I don't bother, I keep doing it part time. I'd consider doing it full time when 1. I'm making enough money to support my current lifestyle 2. I'm at the point where I need to quit my job to make more time to create art. Until then, it's going to remain a part-time hobby where I might make some cash here and there. The rest is just anecdotal/bragging, I don't know you and you don't know me, so calling me a dumbass who doesn't work hard enough isn't going to accomplish anything. You also contradict yourself, is it hard work? or not that hard? Let's be clear here: I didn't call you a dumbass and didn't say you aren't going to accomplish anything. You said you're most likely asking much younger people that don't understand you. Well, I'm basically your age and have been on my own for quite a while. I understand you because I'd be in your position if I didn't bust my ass at everything I did. I don't contradict myself -- it's not overly difficult to get off your ass and do something if you're unhappy with your current situation. It's also not hard to put in hard work, you just have to have a will to work. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On January 13 2014 11:13 MarlieChurphy wrote: I've grinded my way into independence a couple of times only to be kicked back to square one over and over. What exactly do you mean by this? Like what happened exactly? I just don't believe you can be nearly 30 and have put in as much effort as you say you have and not have literally nothing like you say. I could only imagine you'd have to have been mugged/stabbed/robbed multiple times and then had to give all your savings to your dying father for cancer treatment then have your car stolen, have three jobs lay you off, then have a deranged ex-wife take custody of half your belongings. Because if it's that shitty I don't know what to tell you other than I'm inclined to say you need to re-read usedtocare's first post and start from 0 again. And like other people have said, you can expedite things massively if you're willing to come up to Canada to work on oil fields and stuff. | ||
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dreamsmasher
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On January 13 2014 12:34 MarlieChurphy wrote: No, I just wrote out stuff honestly here. Which begs the question though, why is it that this is wrong and people wouldn't hire an honest person instead of one who fills in the normal generic format of "hard worker, punctual, team player, fast learner" I mean 90% of the shit people put in applications, resumes, and cover letters is just bullshit that people want to read that sounds good and keywords that are picked up by algorithms. you need to get more in touch with reality. i agree those are bullshit questions, so you should treat them as such and provide your own bullshit answers. like in starcraft, to be a good player, you need to keep your subjectivity out of major life decisions as much as possible (not completely, otherwise you will have no direction), but stupid shit like this, who cares. you need to get this notion of 'this is who i am, and i refuse to change' and kick it out the window, because its the same attitude of players in starcraft who complain about getting cheesed 24/7, and doing nothing to adjust their build order/playstyle to compensate. what kind of company is going to hire someone who lists 'i prefer to work independently, i don't like working on a team?' even if that is true, then maybe you should work towards developing yourself into an individual that CAN work with others, fake it till you make it, but remember that you better have something real to back it up when it counts. community college in california's system isn't bullshit at all, its very good, i have two cousins who came here got their 2 years done and went on to Berkeley and UCLA, hell from what I saw you can get into a UC with just over a 2.5... now if you just don't have any interests that match up to well paying careers that benefit from an academic setting, it may be worthwhile for you to attend a technical school, maybe become a computer technician, IT guy (so certifications, or work as a engineering technologist (although the latter might require at least some formal schooling). you can't expect to like everything you do while progressing towards a a goal. and no, a bachelors is quite ok to make good money, but not all bachelors are equal. | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On January 13 2014 12:24 MarlieChurphy wrote: I hope you are joking about the art. Who knows how long it took him to make all the work, then he had to setup and pay the men to sell it and film it etc. Arguably, this is business move/advertisement investment. You are one of these people that assumes art is simple and not hard work. There are all kinds of costs in time and money to create it, then there are additional costs of time and money to market and sell it. You can read about my art trials and tribs in my other blog if you care to learn about it. And the point is that the work he sold and didn't sell there, was worth thousands/millions of dollars and if the people knew that, they would have snatched it all up immediately (they don't care about it for the art, just for the monetary value). The rest is just anecdotal/bragging, I don't know you and you don't know me, so calling me a dumbass who doesn't work hard enough isn't going to accomplish anything. You also contradict yourself, is it hard work? or not that hard? just because something is hard doesn't mean it will or should be rewarded. we create value by providing value for others, that's a fundamental rule of economics -- no man is an island. if that guy's artwork is really worth millions, that is because someone who is rich decided to buy it for millions, it has certainly has no intrinsic value. there are art pieces that were created by machines in under a week that can be worth a lot. art isn't a field where you should expect monetary gain not totally because the probability is low, but also because the successful few earn a vastly disproportionate amount more income than those who are only marginally worse than themselves. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On January 13 2014 12:58 Grobyc wrote: What exactly do you mean by this? Like what happened exactly? I just don't believe you can be nearly 30 and have put in as much effort as you say you have and not have literally nothing like you say. I could only imagine you'd have to have been mugged/stabbed/robbed multiple times and then had to give all your savings to your dying father for cancer treatment then have your car stolen, have three jobs lay you off, then have a deranged ex-wife take custody of half your belongings. Because if it's that shitty I don't know what to tell you other than I'm inclined to say you need to re-read usedtocare's first post and start from 0 again. And like other people have said, you can expedite things massively if you're willing to come up to Canada to work on oil fields and stuff. It's a long story, pieces I have told in other blogs on old accounts. I'll try and be brief. I grew up in a broken home with the rest of my secondary family being just as tumultuous and rejecting (I really never felt as if they were family, more like people I was supposed to like that didn't like us -my immediate family. ANd my immediate family wasn't much of a family unit either to begin with.). I grew up poor and we moved around a lot even though my dad is a workaholic and was never around. My mom has bipolar and overly religious. I was somewhat parentalized and had a lot of other shitty problems (law, school, etc) in my teens. I began working early and left school early. Being poor and directionless, I did what I thought I was supposed to do "go to school". Junior college is a waste of time and not feasible for me and people in my situation and not paid for by the state as people seem to think, what I needed was a vocational (and probably still need) school and trade to begin working and making a decent living. Once I was 18, I continued to bounce around from place to place with no real home working low wage jobs nearby and using the money to survive on (savings lol). I spent some times completely homeless and jobless. After years of this, I finally caught a 'break' with a friend who needed a roomate nearby a job I had. The costs were far greater than what I thought I could afford but I barely survived on this for a couple of years, basically never going out or spending money on anything that wasn't necessity. I was fronted a shitty vehicle from mom's friend, and was slowly paying for, that ended up fucking me over in multiple ways more than anything in my life. However, I had no choice because you need a vehicle here as public transportation is a joke. I lost everything in 2010 and started the bouncing around crappy job thing again. I got my highest paying job of 10.50$/hr in 2012 due to random cronyism. It was a shit job that I worked hard at, like all other jobs I held. I had that job for about a year and was fired for bullshit reasons because the laws were changing and more labor was being outsourced. So yes, I was technically layed off multiple times because of businesses closing down due to economy or whatever. I didn't even receive unemployment because they tricked me to signing some shit when I was let go. I had been saving up money to take care of dentistry and to buy a vehicle when my vehicle finally took it's last shit and I was fired. I lived off the 2000$ savings and art sales for about 5-6 months. Now I'm broke again. I'm getting tired of this inability to climb out of poverty no matter how hard I work or try to save. There are so many random factors just fucking me and people like me over and over at every turn. This is really an oversimplification of some of the more standout things over the years. And while it's not physically terrible like you suggested, I would rather have that than this. Anyway, I heard similar work is available in New Mexico? with oil fields from a guy on reddit. He mentioned all the same sort of things but the people were 'salt of the earth' types (whatever he meant by that) and that most people who get into it just plan to do it for a while and end up 60 years old still doing it. And overall trying to discourage me from it, as he grew up there and was trying to move away. I'd be willing to do either anyways though. How do you get into that? | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On January 13 2014 12:45 lichter wrote: The problem is that what you wrote, I also consider generic and meaningless phrases. It is impossible to prove otherwise without enough exposure. How can you tell if a person really does "work under pressure" or can "adapt to anything"? If companies believed stuff like that the applicant could just put as many boastful claims as he wants as long as he is creative and eloquent enough about it. When I look at resumes I always look for facts and specific. Perhaps he worked on this kind of machine, or has fixed an x amount of cars for this specific problem. Maybe he designed this website or wrote a program to solve for a specific work related problem. Resume entries like that interest me. Boastful claims, however honest, however well written, do not. Well this isn't a resume, he just asked me for a list of 'softskills' whatever that means. My resume is pretty specific with the kinds of details you are talking about. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
Start from the end. When you take your last breath, what is it that you would have done with your life? If you only want money and a regular life, there are ways to do that, as has been discussed. I think what's really holding you back is something else, maybe even completely unrelated to money. Do you hate being around people? Do you hate working? What is it? | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On January 13 2014 15:04 hp.Shell wrote: What do you wish to achieve with your life? Is there anything you'd really like to do - however outlandish - but it seems like you won't make any money doing it? Start from the end. When you take your last breath, what is it that you would have done with your life? If you only want money and a regular life, there are ways to do that, as has been discussed. I think what's really holding you back is something else, maybe even completely unrelated to money. Do you hate being around people? Do you hate working? What is it? Just wanna be independent and free from bullshit which seems to be impossible. Maybe eventually have a family. There are lots of things that interest me but I don't know if they are things that I should pursue or can pursue largely because of the constraints and lack of knowledge to even know where to begin. I would much rather get into an industry and see it's inner workings and then go to school alongside it to move up in that than to do it in reverse. I have seen it all too often people getting degrees and having nothing but debt and no use for them as they are not interested in their field after all. Don't know. I know it's common knowledge that a lot of older people on their deathbeds have specific obvious regrets, but I don't really have anything to regret like that. It's not that I hate people or work, it's that I hate the jobs I have to work, and I hate the people I have to work with at those jobs. I don't think this is relevant though because I'm pretty sure most people don't look forward to going to work or seeing coworkers. That's not to say there aren't specific times or people from work that are ok, I'm still friends with some people from my last job-sort of. I think the main issue is just that I don't know what to do or where to begin to do anything like this because I wasn't raised right or didn't see how things were supposed to go. It's hard for me to explain, I'm not sure if you know what it feels like. I've had to do everything on my own since I was like 13 and I didn't and still don't have any idea what the fuck to do. Which is why I was thinking about joining the military (even though I really hate the idea and use of them currently) where they help guide lost souls like myself, but I am too old afaik. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On January 13 2014 09:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You can look into apprenticeship programs, they're almost all manual labor jobs but they will pay very well for your training. I am confused, I googled it, and saw this http://www.dir.ca.gov/databases/das/aigstart.asp and then I selected this sort of haphazardly http://www.dir.ca.gov/databases/das/results_aigdetail.asp?varOccId=206 now what? | ||
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