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LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
January 13 2014 08:46 GMT
#61
The market in California is too saturated for anything unless you have established network connections. I think you should look to reside elsewhere to start over and increase your income rate. I also think your best chance is to get into technical programs & careers like everyone else has been suggesting. I'll also throw out careers like haircut, nails, etc. The oil-occupation in Canada people have been mentioning might also be good to look at.

Good luck man.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 01:03:49
January 14 2014 00:59 GMT
#62
On January 13 2014 12:45 lichter wrote:
The problem is that what you wrote, I also consider generic and meaningless phrases. It is impossible to prove otherwise without enough exposure. How can you tell if a person really does "work under pressure" or can "adapt to anything"? If companies believed stuff like that the applicant could just put as many boastful claims as he wants as long as he is creative and eloquent enough about it.

When I look at resumes I always look for facts and specific. Perhaps he worked on this kind of machine, or has fixed an x amount of cars for this specific problem. Maybe he designed this website or wrote a program to solve for a specific work related problem. Resume entries like that interest me. Boastful claims, however honest, however well written, do not.

and still companies fill the job requirements with demands like that most of the time: working under pressure, fast learner, analytical thinking, ability to handle stress or work under deadlines etc etc. If you don't care for those don't think that other recruiters wouldn't, clearly they actually do.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
January 14 2014 02:58 GMT
#63
While I can't give you advice on finding a job in the states specifically, I can only support your notion of learning a trade. While I don't regret going through the university route myself, I feel like everyone steered me into this when I would much rather have done something technically or mechanically proficient when I was 17.

I don't know what options you have in that regard, but I can only suggest looking into that. Also if you're willing to relocate you may be able to find vocational training opportunities in locations that really have a severe skill shortage and where the cost of living might be cheaper than where you are now.

In any case I wish you the best of luck, life is tough and you seem to have been dealt a tough hand in any case. Many people on TL have had the privilege of better parenting, money or education that others have not had, but that shouldn't disqualify any advice they give you, but always bring it into your context. I hope you find something that can both support and satisfy you so you can pursue your other life goals.
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
January 14 2014 05:43 GMT
#64
You might wonna take a look at this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440369
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
January 14 2014 12:29 GMT
#65
you're much older than I am but I believe tradie is the best choice for you. There's just so many degree graduates that with your age and experience you will get destroyed even in high demand fields/ too expensive/ too long. Plus, with hands-on tradie like baking or plumbing or metalworks you're less likely to get outsourced overseas.

Just remember, you are just an ant. You live your life and then you die. So no pressure there cause its not like you can "beat" life.
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 14:55:30
January 14 2014 14:35 GMT
#66
If interviews are your problem, here's what works for me. I've had 11 job interviews and thus far a perfect score.

1. No bullshit

When applying for a job that's not your career, don't bullshit them.
Don't give them lines like 'I enjoy working in an office environment and computers are my passion.'.
They know you're lying, they know nobody could be passionate about sitting in front of a computer 30+ hours a week. If you're just in it for the money, you tell them exactly that.

2. Don't play dress up

Seriously, if you try too hard, they will notice. Wear a suit and tie to an interview? Unless you work for a bank or something equally pretentious, don't bother. Your appearance should be clean but at the same time indifferent.
Jeans and stubble works for me, your mileage may vary.

3. You're better than them

Seriously, would you give a shit what some HR-rep or CEO of a small company thinks of you outside of an interview?
Don't try to impress them, make them work for you. Chances are you're talking to an MBA or something equally lame, don't bend over backwards for people like these.

Remember, these are people who were too dim to be get into science, too dull to be artists and not man enough to learn a craft, so they took courses in business or management, courses that everyone with enough spare time could do after a full frontal lobotomy.

They know that, show them that you do, too.

4. Don't smile, sneer

You're not some sycophant who applies to be the CEO's asslicker, so don't look like one.
Don't let them interview you, interview them. Why should you consider them, not the other way round.
The world is your fucking oyster, if you really give them five hours a day they better give you a good reason why.

5. Tell them, don't ask.
'We pay ten Euro an hour for our entry level employees.'
'Could you make that twelve?' NOPE! 'Let's make that twelve and I'll sign this right away.'

This advice may be terrible when applying for a executive-position in a Fortune 500 company, I wouldn't know, but when applying for jobs that are just stepping stones to pay for school, you should treat them as such right away.







chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
January 14 2014 15:40 GMT
#67
On January 14 2014 23:35 SixStrings wrote:
If interviews are your problem, here's what works for me. I've had 11 job interviews and thus far a perfect score.

1. No bullshit

When applying for a job that's not your career, don't bullshit them.
Don't give them lines like 'I enjoy working in an office environment and computers are my passion.'.
They know you're lying, they know nobody could be passionate about sitting in front of a computer 30+ hours a week. If you're just in it for the money, you tell them exactly that.

2. Don't play dress up

Seriously, if you try too hard, they will notice. Wear a suit and tie to an interview? Unless you work for a bank or something equally pretentious, don't bother. Your appearance should be clean but at the same time indifferent.
Jeans and stubble works for me, your mileage may vary.

3. You're better than them

Seriously, would you give a shit what some HR-rep or CEO of a small company thinks of you outside of an interview?
Don't try to impress them, make them work for you. Chances are you're talking to an MBA or something equally lame, don't bend over backwards for people like these.

Remember, these are people who were too dim to be get into science, too dull to be artists and not man enough to learn a craft, so they took courses in business or management, courses that everyone with enough spare time could do after a full frontal lobotomy.

They know that, show them that you do, too.

4. Don't smile, sneer

You're not some sycophant who applies to be the CEO's asslicker, so don't look like one.
Don't let them interview you, interview them. Why should you consider them, not the other way round.
The world is your fucking oyster, if you really give them five hours a day they better give you a good reason why.

5. Tell them, don't ask.
'We pay ten Euro an hour for our entry level employees.'
'Could you make that twelve?' NOPE! 'Let's make that twelve and I'll sign this right away.'

This advice may be terrible when applying for a executive-position in a Fortune 500 company, I wouldn't know, but when applying for jobs that are just stepping stones to pay for school, you should treat them as such right away.

If you ever want to apply for an engineering job (even an internship), do the exact opposite of this.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 17:01:54
January 14 2014 16:57 GMT
#68
On January 14 2014 14:43 Cheerio wrote:
You might wonna take a look at this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440369


I read through most of that thread and I still am not sure what exactly that is. And what is a CV?

edit- I guess it's some sort of UK resume type thing? I have never heard of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
January 14 2014 17:14 GMT
#69
This sums up things pretty accurately: http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/1v4t18/it_is_expensive_to_be_poor_barbara_ehrenreich/ceox7ay
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
January 14 2014 21:40 GMT
#70
On January 15 2014 02:14 MarlieChurphy wrote:
This sums up things pretty accurately: http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/1v4t18/it_is_expensive_to_be_poor_barbara_ehrenreich/ceox7ay


That sounds pretty tragic. It's so easy to forget the role having a supportive family and good opportunities early on in life mean to one's future prospects. No wonder people turn to crime, gambling and drugs in this sort of environment, they all offer potential for ways out. It's so easy come along and give this 'man up,' 'on your bike' or 'by the bootstraps' response and then walkaway.

I just took a look at your hats, they are amazing! Obviously art and design are where your passion and talents lie, so this should be your goal! Do you write/graffiti?

For anyone that is interested: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=273390

If you want to hear something depressing + Show Spoiler +
I found out recently that a friend of the family is now a multi-millionaire because her husband got lucky and now makes a living off drawing celebrities' pets wearing monocles, curly moustashes and top hats and then sells them back to them. This guy failed his art degree (which I thought was impossible) and has no soul.


My younger brother isn't in quite as bad a situation, but he is eking out a living on near minimum wage as a grounds keeper to a Duke. He's looking to get a license to drive a forklift which will double what he currently earns. So those kinds of professional qualifications can be a way to go - obviously there's the tricky thing in paying for it... Are there local businesses or organisations that would train/apprentice you?

When I was younger I stayed afloat working back stage at a theatre. Bloody fun.

I hope your situation improves soon, good luck out there.



“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
January 15 2014 00:32 GMT
#71
On January 15 2014 02:14 MarlieChurphy wrote:
This sums up things pretty accurately: http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/1v4t18/it_is_expensive_to_be_poor_barbara_ehrenreich/ceox7ay


Say you work 30 hours a week at $8 (and that's generous), that's 960 dollars a month to live on before taxes. Let's make it an even 1000.


Why only 30 hours at $8? Maybe it's different in California, but I have had no trouble in getting two jobs at slightly above minimum wage for a total of more than 40 hours/week while being an unqualified college student.

Why aren't you working right now? Even if it is just a part time job at minimum wage, that's extra income over what you have now. If it's part time then it still leaves you plenty of time to be looking for other opportunities as well. Are you applying to jobs right now? Are you limiting what kind of jobs you are applying for?
Chaosu
Profile Joined October 2005
Poland404 Posts
January 15 2014 02:23 GMT
#72
On January 15 2014 01:57 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 14:43 Cheerio wrote:
You might wonna take a look at this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440369


I read through most of that thread and I still am not sure what exactly that is. And what is a CV?

edit- I guess it's some sort of UK resume type thing? I have never heard of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae

Don't worry, we never heard of resumes too.
Please be patient.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-15 20:36:51
January 15 2014 20:20 GMT
#73
On January 15 2014 06:40 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 02:14 MarlieChurphy wrote:
This sums up things pretty accurately: http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/1v4t18/it_is_expensive_to_be_poor_barbara_ehrenreich/ceox7ay


That sounds pretty tragic. It's so easy to forget the role having a supportive family and good opportunities early on in life mean to one's future prospects. No wonder people turn to crime, gambling and drugs in this sort of environment, they all offer potential for ways out. It's so easy come along and give this 'man up,' 'on your bike' or 'by the bootstraps' response and then walkaway.

I just took a look at your hats, they are amazing! Obviously art and design are where your passion and talents lie, so this should be your goal! Do you write/graffiti?

For anyone that is interested: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=273390

If you want to hear something depressing + Show Spoiler +
I found out recently that a friend of the family is now a multi-millionaire because her husband got lucky and now makes a living off drawing celebrities' pets wearing monocles, curly moustashes and top hats and then sells them back to them. This guy failed his art degree (which I thought was impossible) and has no soul.


My younger brother isn't in quite as bad a situation, but he is eking out a living on near minimum wage as a grounds keeper to a Duke. He's looking to get a license to drive a forklift which will double what he currently earns. So those kinds of professional qualifications can be a way to go - obviously there's the tricky thing in paying for it... Are there local businesses or organisations that would train/apprentice you?

When I was younger I stayed afloat working back stage at a theatre. Bloody fun.

I hope your situation improves soon, good luck out there.





Thanks. I'm not as passionate about art as I was when I was a kid/teen. Every once in a while, it bites me though. Graffiti, yea I used to be active in my teens when I lived in Sacramento.
Yea, I've found most 'artists' are more about their legend than their actual art. So the guy with a failed art degree isn't lucky, he just knows how to work the art industry. It's not hard to see how it works, with people like Mr.Brainwash (exit through the gift shop), Marla (My kid could paint that), and even Banksy. A lot of banksy's work is pretty normal stencil and he even started out his career straight biting another french guy's rats and King Robbo (which I actually believe is actually Banksy or his alter ego is banksy, however you want to look at it). And then there are all the greats who lived a shit life and now their works are priceless. The key component here, controversy. Art has to be controversial to be worth anything consistently. Or it just needs to be near photographic material because people are into that sort of thing for tattoos, drawings of pictures, etc.


On January 15 2014 11:23 Chaosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 01:57 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On January 14 2014 14:43 Cheerio wrote:
You might wonna take a look at this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440369


I read through most of that thread and I still am not sure what exactly that is. And what is a CV?

edit- I guess it's some sort of UK resume type thing? I have never heard of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae

Don't worry, we never heard of resumes too.

But you live so close to France.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-15 20:30:27
January 15 2014 20:29 GMT
#74
So random nepotism struck today, probably shouldn't be talking about it to jinx it but whatever.

My older sister who is a MFTherapist etc called me today to let me know part of her new job with working with autistic kids/teens involves this big teen that needs a man for life tutor type stuff. It starts at 20$/hr and she said the industry is severely lacking in men as well, so even if this is temporary, I can be learned all the basics etc and use it to further myself into the field and possibly even have a reason to go to school in some psychology related thing if it seems promising.
The reason men are needed is because some of these kids are big for one (I'm 6'2" 185 pretty fit), and are hard to control for these fragile women therapists. The other is because you gotta teach em man stuff, like washing your balls, shootin hoops, and general stuff that a woman wouldn't be comfortable teaching a boy or can't. So that's pretty cool.

The reason why I'm bringing this up, is because I am looking for research and stuff to better prepare for the interview and job. She gave me a bunch of stuff to lookup and watch on YT. Is anyone here on the autism spectrum or have aspergers? Have any tips for me?
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
usedtocare
Profile Joined August 2013
United States243 Posts
January 16 2014 03:42 GMT
#75
On January 16 2014 05:29 MarlieChurphy wrote:
So random nepotism struck today, probably shouldn't be talking about it to jinx it but whatever.

My older sister who is a MFTherapist etc called me today to let me know part of her new job with working with autistic kids/teens involves this big teen that needs a man for life tutor type stuff. It starts at 20$/hr and she said the industry is severely lacking in men as well, so even if this is temporary, I can be learned all the basics etc and use it to further myself into the field and possibly even have a reason to go to school in some psychology related thing if it seems promising.
The reason men are needed is because some of these kids are big for one (I'm 6'2" 185 pretty fit), and are hard to control for these fragile women therapists. The other is because you gotta teach em man stuff, like washing your balls, shootin hoops, and general stuff that a woman wouldn't be comfortable teaching a boy or can't. So that's pretty cool.

The reason why I'm bringing this up, is because I am looking for research and stuff to better prepare for the interview and job. She gave me a bunch of stuff to lookup and watch on YT. Is anyone here on the autism spectrum or have aspergers? Have any tips for me?


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