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Novawulfen
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Great Britain29 Posts
November 28 2013 22:07 GMT
#1
So I got demoted.

That stung. It's happened before though, and I managed to climb my way back into Gold. So when it happened again, I sighed a heartfelt sigh and hit the ladder. Climb the mountain, chop chop, dig dig. This time, however, I didn't get back in after 4 games. In fact I've played a lot more than that and I'm still in Silver. Which started to annoy me. Yes, silver's meant to be kinda big, but if the stated aim at the beginning of HOTS (8% Bronze, 20% Silver, 32% Gold, 20% Plat, 18% Diamond, 2% Masters) is true, the I should be in gold again, cos the bottom of gold is actually lower than it was.

Then I found out about Nios.kr, and my view changed rather hugely.

If what I read is correct, the bronze league takes up 37.28% of the population. This encompasses what is meant to be Bronze and Silver and a good 10 percentiles into Gold. Silver takes up about 28%. This puts top Silver into what is meant to be low Plat.

That's crazy. That means that if these numbers are accurate, I was mid to high Gold, and I'm now in Silver and it's going to be a long struggle to get any higher.

Even scarier, what is top Gold now is the 80th to 84th percentile. That's what's meant to be low Diamond.

I can see how this might be a good idea. Make Plat and above a real achievement, and then it becomes a real accomplishment to get into Masters. The problem is that those of us who are in the lower leagues pretty much all just got dropped a league and it stings. What stings more is that it's not going to be all that easy to climb out again. I know ladder ranking is not meant to mean anything, but it really does.

Oh well, time to try and climb the mountain again...

Sources
http://nios.kr/
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Battle.net_Leagues

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T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-28 22:38:29
November 28 2013 22:37 GMT
#2
Maybe blizzard should make a new league above the highest league and delete the lowest ranked league every season. Then everyone can feel good.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
November 28 2013 22:39 GMT
#3
On November 29 2013 07:07 Novawulfen wrote:

That's crazy. That means that if these numbers are accurate, I was mid to high Gold, and I'm now in Silver and it's going to be a long struggle to get any higher.

Even scarier, what is top Gold now is the 80th to 84th percentile. That's what's meant to be low Diamond.



So it'll just be even more of an accomplishment once you make it.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Novawulfen
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Great Britain29 Posts
November 28 2013 22:48 GMT
#4
On November 29 2013 07:39 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 07:07 Novawulfen wrote:

That's crazy. That means that if these numbers are accurate, I was mid to high Gold, and I'm now in Silver and it's going to be a long struggle to get any higher.

Even scarier, what is top Gold now is the 80th to 84th percentile. That's what's meant to be low Diamond.



So it'll just be even more of an accomplishment once you make it.


True. I was just hoping to make it to plat at some point before LotV comes out.

It's a good point though. I will probably still ladder. I just need to find a fresh source of motivation, as promotion isn't nearly as likely as it once was...
TriO
Profile Joined July 2011
United States421 Posts
November 28 2013 23:03 GMT
#5
Blizzard should bring back the old brood war ladder rankings.
My dream is to tear up your dream.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#6
On November 29 2013 08:03 TriO wrote:
Blizzard should bring back the old brood war ladder rankings.


They should use Glicko, it's just a better version of ELO, which is what Brood War had
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
November 28 2013 23:54 GMT
#7
On November 29 2013 07:37 T.O.P. wrote:
Maybe blizzard should make a new league above the highest league and delete the lowest ranked league every season. Then everyone can feel good.


Don't you mean make a new league lower than the lowest and delete the highest league?
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-29 00:19:14
November 29 2013 00:18 GMT
#8
those statistics mean nothing

bronze has always been big because loads of people start laddering then quit, not wanting to spend all the time required to get good at the game

what's made you drop a league is everyone getting better

edit: oh and the players that are considered for the 8% 20% 32% thing are only the active players, all those bronze players are inactive
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46669 Posts
November 29 2013 00:46 GMT
#9
MMR Decay destroyed most people's progress if they were inactive for 1-2 seasons. Good luck getting back up to your top ranking lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
November 29 2013 04:56 GMT
#10
MMR decay has ruined the game for me completely.
SomethingWitty
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada94 Posts
November 29 2013 05:22 GMT
#11
On November 29 2013 09:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MMR Decay destroyed most people's progress if they were inactive for 1-2 seasons. Good luck getting back up to your top ranking lol.


Yeah. Nothing like going from top 8 diamond to getting placed in silver.
"A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery." - James Joyce, Ulysses
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
November 29 2013 06:37 GMT
#12
I have gotten demoted from diamond 4 times and I keep crawling back, and now I'm under 50% winrate, I just hope I can get good enough to stay in diamond, I feel like I'm climbing a mountain where it's raining and I'm busting my ass to get to the halfway rest point.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 29 2013 09:04 GMT
#13
How about playing the game for what it is?
Would you feel better if they added the Copper league back?
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12906 Posts
November 29 2013 09:40 GMT
#14
they said they are looking at the ladder now according to a blue post on b.net forum
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
November 29 2013 13:24 GMT
#15
That would mean I'm kind of a good Starcraft player because I'm low diamond after playing 8 matches and winning 7 of them? LOL.
Shottaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom414 Posts
November 29 2013 13:49 GMT
#16
On November 29 2013 08:03 TriO wrote:
Blizzard should bring back the old brood war ladder rankings.


This is a fantastic way to remove the feeling of noobness from being 1 or 2 leagues below where you used to be.
Praise the sun! \o/
DemonDayz
Profile Joined June 2012
18 Posts
November 29 2013 20:41 GMT
#17
Somehow this makes my Recent loss streak feel all that much better I guess XD
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