EPTKilling WCS America and also ESPORTS probably - Page 12
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HighdraL1sk
United States140 Posts
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ARze
Australia45 Posts
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On November 16 2013 18:16 VasHeR wrote: TBs posts are so adorable... I have a feeling they'd seem way, way more vulgar if you replaced "bloody" with American curse words =P Anyway, TB, plz consider this. I remember hearing a US congressman say, in regard to lobbyists, something along these lines, "It's their job to stop me from doing my job." I'm as much of a moth to the internet flames as anyone, but dude, you gotta work on ignoring the one or two morons who are too stupid/stubborn/whatever to be logically reasoned with. Good luck I don't know, it's kind of refreshing that at least one big name in the community goes full frontal against them, meanwhile giving everyone else a lot of things to think about. | ||
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
On November 16 2013 14:16 TotalBiscuit wrote: Frankly? From WCSs budget. America and Europe do not deserve equal prizemoney to Korea because they are not equal events. There is speculation about the removal of the grand slams from next years WCS circuit, which should free up a fairly massive chunk of the budget not only in prizemoney but in the massive production and travel costs associated with those events. I'd say you cut Europe and Americas prizepool in half, can all grandslams, use some the freed up budget to create new events in Korea. Lemme be selfish for a moment and say, GSTL. A fantastic opportunity for players to get exposure and for teams to compete for big money. A popular format that resonates with a lot of people. Give that some damn support. We're several teams down, the prizepool isn't big enough, it's not even hosted at a good time for foreigners to watch. I can't watch my own players compete because it's at bloody 4am EST. There's so much that can be done with both the existing formats and the possibility of new ones. Region-lock WCS and use the remaining budget to take the bloody online element out, get everyone in the studio, create some proper bloody storylines with some real faces and exploit the very thing that foreign players have going for them when it comes to to the viewers and that is relatability. I want to know everything there is to know about OUR WCS players and every shred of downtime in those tournaments should be chock full of content dedicated to telling me that. If I had unlimited budget and resources, that's how I'd do it. Fair enough, I would really like to see GSTL supported more as well, it's disappointing when it gets less viewers than ro32 of WCS America. Thank you very much for responding. | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
but this, 4) If it were not our players "taking away opportunities" it would be other Korean players. Our players knock other Korean players out of Premier league just as much as they do foreigners. The system is at fault. If not us, some other Korean players. There are plenty lining up to do it. There may be more next year. Heck I think the only thing keeping a lot of them away from WCS America is the fact that it's becoming the strongest tournament outside of Korea. If it were easy to descend on the easiest WCS region, that being Europe, I'm sure they would, but massive RO32 lag disadvantage alongside travel costs and a lack of facilities in Europe for Korean players keep them at bay, for now. Pulling all of Axioms players from WCS America would not create opportunities for American players while the system remains as broken as it is. So basically, what you're saying is that you know it's wrong, you know what's wrong, and you still decide to "abuse" it because if not you then some other guy will? I agree, pulling all of Ax players from WCSAM won't create opportunities for native players, but such a proponent of growing a local scene like yourself should do whatever is in your power to help it grow. Instead, you're using a bullshit excuse for doing it and at the same time propheticising about importance of local, homegrown talent & scene. :D C'mon...  | ||
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Ouija
United States129 Posts
On November 16 2013 22:33 esdf wrote: didn't really care much about your team or you up till now, and didn't really mind all the negative attitude towards it. was always nice seeing you guys compete in teamleagues (as Ax-Acer) or individual ones. but this, So basically, what you're saying is that you know it's wrong, you know what's wrong, and you still decide to "abuse" it because if not you then some other guy will? I agree, pulling all of Ax players from WCSAM won't create opportunities for native players, but such a proponent of growing a local scene like yourself should do whatever is in your power to help it grow. Instead, you're using a bullshit excuse for doing it and at the same time propheticising about importance of local, homegrown talent & scene. :D C'mon... He is not "abusing" the system. All TB is doing is trying to put his players in the best possible position to be successful(which is his job as manager of Team Axiom). Blizzard created this WCS system which in his opinion should be fixed, so just because that's what he feels you think his players should be punished for it by not allowing them to play in the region they qualified for? On Blizzard's WCS website they clearly state that they encourage players to choose their own region to play in rather than creating residency requirements. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
On November 16 2013 23:18 Ouija wrote: He is not "abusing" the system. All TB is doing is trying to put his players in the best possible position to be successful(which is his job as manager of Team Axiom). Blizzard created this WCS system which in his opinion should be fixed, so just because that's what he feels you think his players should be punished for it by not allowing them to play in the region they qualified for? On Blizzard's WCS website they clearly state that they encourage players to choose their own region to play in rather than creating residency requirements. I'm simply saying that he should not preach about growing a local scene while he's one of the guys preventing that growth. Simple as that. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27459 Posts
Not like he also funded Shoutcraft NA or anything? Not being an apologist for TB but I'm not sure what you expect him to do. It's ridiculous that WCS Kr doesn't have a bigger prize pool, given the lack of tournaments in that region especially. Even back before teams are disbanding at an alarming rate there was GSL and the weeklies, and nothing else really. The people who suffer most with the WCS system are Korean B-teamers who are competing vs the very best in Korea, for no more prize money than the foreign team Koreans are able to do in other regions, and at regular foreign tournaments that they get shipped to. Hell look at someone like jjakji who is likely to be able to earn more opportunities on mYi than in Korea. Even former GSL champs struggle to stay in challenger. Not because they're bad but because they're playing in a region so overflowing with talent, especially since Kespa joined the party. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 17 2013 00:14 Zax19 wrote: You'll get no quarrel from me about WCS and Shoucraft, even though as a player I wouldn't respect myself for abusing a weaker region. If the players in question were able to make a living that doesn't involve only eating ramen, we could discuss "abusing the system". What they're doing is following the rules Blizzard set up and making money, which many of the players without salaries absolutely have to win prize money to do. Respecting oneself has nothing to do with the situation. On November 17 2013 00:27 esdf wrote: I'm simply saying that he should not preach about growing a local scene while he's one of the guys preventing that growth. Simple as that. The North American scene would not grow any faster if Axiom pulled out of WCS AM. Simple as that. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On November 17 2013 00:07 Garnet wrote: I agree with your point that there should be some kind of region lock, but your examples are cringe-worthy. American baseball is NOT the best in the world. Barcelona and Juventus would not stomp everything in Premier League. Barca is only slightly better than the top teams, and Juventus is on par with them. Especially since SC2 is not a team sport. And in almost every individual sport, all top level tournaments are open to players from the entire world. There's no "Americans only" rule in the US Open. If there was a country that had all the best tennis players, they'd win every major tournament in the world because they can participate in all of them. Same story for golf, or track&field etc. Most of those sports have national championships and/or the olympics on top of that, but I can't think of a popular professional individual sport where the main competitions are region based. People want to see Nadal/Federer/Djokovic in Wimbledon, the US Open, the French Open and the Australian Open, because they're the best. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On November 17 2013 00:27 esdf wrote: I'm simply saying that he should not preach about growing a local scene while he's one of the guys preventing that growth. Simple as that. Glad to see you joined the ranks of "I reject your reality and substitute my own" people that didn't bother to comprehend the OP. There is no "abuse", WCS America is not a region-locked event, ergo it is entirely right and proper for Koreans to go there just as it is for them to go to Dreamhack. There is literally no difference. This is not some loophole being "abused", this is an open tournament. It shouldn't be, but it is. Until that changes, there is not a single reason for Koreans not to go there. Trying to explain hypocrisy to people that don't have enough understanding to see the differences and nuance because they simply don't know enough is infuriating. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On November 15 2013 15:18 Junho.C wrote: Why couldn't handle the argument within closed doors like normal people? Instead you even used that argument for publicity. Irony: kind of like iron. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
Have fun and keep going  (also thanks for all your work) | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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tili
United States1332 Posts
but no one(or at least very few) here is a 'hater', they are expressing their opinions, and care a great deal about sc2. | ||
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Traceback
United States469 Posts
I've never really considered myself a fan of you in particular, still don't particularly, but I must say keep up the good work. Someone needs to stand up and take on the hater blight of our community. I can imagine the effort and time that it takes to articulate the posts you wrote and I, for one, appreciate that you care so much about the quality of our community to take on such a dirty job which most people would shy away from. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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