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Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
November 21 2013 12:52 GMT
#281
I love your responses and rant, keep up the good work. <3
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
jeeeeohn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1343 Posts
November 22 2013 02:16 GMT
#282
On November 15 2013 15:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 15:15 Junho.C wrote:
On November 15 2013 15:02 sunneh wrote:
Basically, if i can get this right, Junho_C is saying that TB is being a hypocrite by criticising the system by having his own players join WCS America (which potentially stifles the growth of 'American' players, which is what TB wants to do).

TB is saying don't hate the player, hate the way the whole thing is set out? He also brings up the point that if his players did not do WCS America, some other Koreans would in their place.

I'm a reddit lurker (your previous flair was FXO when it was the bull), but i'm more inclined to agree with TB on this one.

You're mad that he's using this criticism as publicity for his own tournament correct? But couldn't one argue that criticising the tournament draws more attention to Shoutcraft America which in turn, supports local regional gaming?

EDIT: i'm not trying to come across as condescending, I just want to clear it up a little so i know where to aim my pitchfork >:


I'm not mad. I just think it's wrong to criticize a system he's taking advantage of so much for his personal gain.


Apparently "my personal gain" is $10k in the hole every month.

My concern is the gain of my players. My personal gain is not a factor. SC2 as a whole is a gigantic loss for me and it has been since Day 1, I'd be better off from a business standpoint abandoning it entirely. I won't though, primarily because I love this game too much to do that but also because I'm a stubborn fucker and won't be shoved out by anyone.

Someone said that before you criticise someone you should walk a mile in their shoes, but I'm pretty convinced that all some people such as yourself want to do is steal my shoes.


TotalBiscuit, I've followed you for a few years now and I'm a big fan, but while going through this shit storm of a thread this post grabbed my attention.

You're losing 10k a month? For a video game? For Stacraft 2?

Dude, it's not worth it. It really is not. If you want to sink 10k into a hopeless cause every month, at least sink it into Africa.
If you can't jam with the best, then you have to slam with the rest.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 22 2013 03:46 GMT
#283
On November 20 2013 22:19 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's not about winning any argument with these people, it's quashing rumours at source and is quite valuable in that sense imo.

Otherwise you have unsubstantiated gossip becoming accepted as fact, with potential repercussions down the line, at least potentially.

I am with Wombat on this one. The more people know about the reality of the situation and how much money people are or are not making, the better off we are. Esports and SC2 has only gotten better because people like TB and Kim P. have started talking with the community more and more.
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Elizar
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany431 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 22:59:30
November 27 2013 22:58 GMT
#284
On November 22 2013 11:16 jeeeeohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 15:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 15 2013 15:15 Junho.C wrote:
On November 15 2013 15:02 sunneh wrote:
Basically, if i can get this right, Junho_C is saying that TB is being a hypocrite by criticising the system by having his own players join WCS America (which potentially stifles the growth of 'American' players, which is what TB wants to do).

TB is saying don't hate the player, hate the way the whole thing is set out? He also brings up the point that if his players did not do WCS America, some other Koreans would in their place.

I'm a reddit lurker (your previous flair was FXO when it was the bull), but i'm more inclined to agree with TB on this one.

You're mad that he's using this criticism as publicity for his own tournament correct? But couldn't one argue that criticising the tournament draws more attention to Shoutcraft America which in turn, supports local regional gaming?

EDIT: i'm not trying to come across as condescending, I just want to clear it up a little so i know where to aim my pitchfork >:


I'm not mad. I just think it's wrong to criticize a system he's taking advantage of so much for his personal gain.


Apparently "my personal gain" is $10k in the hole every month.

My concern is the gain of my players. My personal gain is not a factor. SC2 as a whole is a gigantic loss for me and it has been since Day 1, I'd be better off from a business standpoint abandoning it entirely. I won't though, primarily because I love this game too much to do that but also because I'm a stubborn fucker and won't be shoved out by anyone.

Someone said that before you criticise someone you should walk a mile in their shoes, but I'm pretty convinced that all some people such as yourself want to do is steal my shoes.


TotalBiscuit, I've followed you for a few years now and I'm a big fan, but while going through this shit storm of a thread this post grabbed my attention.

You're losing 10k a month? For a video game? For Stacraft 2?

Dude, it's not worth it. It really is not. If you want to sink 10k into a hopeless cause every month, at least sink it into Africa.


Putting that money into Africa will (sadly) solve nothing. There is enough proofs of that.
I´m sure you also have hobbies. Maybe watching movies. Why don´t you send this money for tickets to Africa? Because you have the right to spend it the way you want. (Ofc noone prevents you from sending money to Africa nonetheless.)
Ergo: Well it is his money. He can do with it whatever he wants.

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