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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:27 Birdie wrote: Man just be happy for him, he's gotten over some serious depression and his faith is the cause of that, just be happy with him instead of picking on him. How do you know he's gotten over his depression? Faith in jesus found easily can be broken easily. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 13 2013 23:07 Roe wrote: How do you know he's gotten over his depression? Faith in jesus found easily can be broken easily. Is it actually broken easily though? Depression breeds religion. When people are down they'll take anything they can to give purpose to their life and they don't let go, in my experience. That's why cults are a thing. I've got many harsh criticisms of religion, both for the backward beliefs and the general bad influence. But I legitimately wouldn't know how to condemn a "force" which can help people out of their suicidal thoughts and general depression. So meh, if all else failed, why not. I don't think he'll become an extremist - if we're lucky, he'll go to a good progressive church, he won't oppress homosexuals, he won't argue that women should serve men and all that crap. It's probably a win/win. But it would've been nice if he had gotten out of his depression through other means than worshiping a made up idol  | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On November 13 2013 23:52 Djzapz wrote: Is it actually broken easily though? Depression breeds religion. When people are down they'll take anything they can to give purpose to their life and they don't let go, in my experience. That's why cults are a thing. I've got many harsh criticisms of religion, both for the backward beliefs and the general bad influence. But I legitimately wouldn't know how to condemn a "force" which can help people out of their suicidal thoughts and general depression. So meh, if all else failed, why not. I don't think he'll become an extremist - if we're lucky, he'll go to a good progressive church, he won't oppress homosexuals, he won't argue that women should serve men and all that crap. It's probably a win/win. But it would've been nice if he had gotten out of his depression through other means than worshiping a made up idol Not sure if depression breeds religion, if it did, as you say, it would bring them out like a magic pill and rarely would anyone be depressed. I'm not sure on how easily faith can be broken, I know that it's a powerful force, probably more powerful than reason, and perhaps the most powerful when the two combine. The reason I don't feel confident in this, is that since he faithfully found jesus, he could faithfully lose that as well. I'm also still wondering if he just wanted to feel good all his life, but attributed that feeling to religiosity (embedded in him at an early age), and so kept himself in a depressed state. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
You also give up your own personal power by allowing -- or in some cases even requiring -- yourself to "wait until the time comes" instead of learning how to become happy without waiting for Christmas. Edit: You also offend some people who know that if you do a little bit of research, you can find the true meaning of the bible and other holy books. It dampens hope when information is out there -- which you shouldn't blindly believe either, by the way -- that can be used to point you to what you should personally be looking into if you want to know "the" (an older) origin of these stories. --and you know the information is out there for those who seek it, yet there is never any seeking, because why should you seek when you already have the answer and you can just regurgitate it? Okay, I'm done. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 14 2013 00:42 Roe wrote: Not sure if depression breeds religion, if it did, as you say, it would bring them out like a magic pill and rarely would anyone be depressed. I'm not sure on how easily faith can be broken, I know that it's a powerful force, probably more powerful than reason, and perhaps the most powerful when the two combine. The reason I don't feel confident in this, is that since he faithfully found jesus, he could faithfully lose that as well. I'm also still wondering if he just wanted to feel good all his life, but attributed that feeling to religiosity (embedded in him at an early age), and so kept himself in a depressed state. It's the kind of thing that works once as far as I can tell. They're down, somebody comes up with this super awesome ideology that makes them feel important and fuzzy inside, eventually I'm sure it can wear down but they don't usually get rid of the ideology. They just keep it around. People who become religious as adults don't tend to convert back because we're egotistical. Imagine how lame it would be if you were WRONG? | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
On November 13 2013 14:17 Fumanchu wrote: This kind of comment isn't useful in any way possible. It's sole purpose is designed to rile people up and get a reaction. Which it succeeded, because here I am, telling you that you're a dick. Why, it's very useful to know you are not going to go to heaven. | ||
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
On November 14 2013 04:58 Roe wrote: Well I was diagnosed bipolar II. But my family never agreed with that and my new doctor diagnosed me with MDD. But yes I did have hope pills would help me.I'd also like to point out that psychiatric facilities only work on psychiatric disorders. You using that as an example implies you have a psychiatric disorder, and I don't think you do. Were you convinced that you have some illness that can only be treated with pills? | ||
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
On November 13 2013 09:18 Chairman Ray wrote: I phrased it quite poorly actually. I'm just curious to know what you were depressed or suicidal about and how this experience has helped you overcome those obstacles. | ||
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
On November 13 2013 09:18 Chairman Ray wrote: Well, my mother has had fibromyalgia and psoriatic arthritis for 15 or so years. The doctors put her on so many powerful painkillers that they made her act crazy and suicidal, and didn't help her pain. That hurt a lot, and I eventually lost basically all ability to feel pleasure or any happiness. I'm still in that state, but the dread and hopelessness is mostly gone, but when it comes back I now talk to my mother about my problems and fears/thoughts and she helps me greatly. I can now talk to people, which is a huge, huge thing for me. Before when i would go to therapy I would literally sit there and say nothing, as well as hide in my room 24/7 in my own misery and never talk to anyone. It's a hard thing to explain and I'm not entirely sure what's changed. Which is why i've been a lurker here since 2005 and had no part in the community more or less. My depression made me want no contact with people and no desire to connect. I had so much hate in my heart for people, I just hated the whole world and trusted no one. I still am very guarded but I'm genuinely trying to open my heart to people and be loved and to love. I also have a real interest in learning God's word and who he is and his interactions with us in the past. I never had any interest in school or learning anything for that matter, as I am a high school dropout. I also have quit looking at porn and sitting on the internet 24/7.I phrased it quite poorly actually. I'm just curious to know what you were depressed or suicidal about and how this experience has helped you overcome those obstacles. | ||
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
On November 13 2013 13:17 Djzapz wrote: I'm genuinely sorry if I come off this way. I just believe in my heart Jesus is the truth, and what comes with that is the realization that hell is real. I'm coming from a perspective that I just want to save people, though I've come to realize it's not such a simple thing. Heck, my mom has been praying for me and trying to save me all my life and it took 24 years to listen. So I apologize again guys, i didn't mean to come off like someone from a cult or to be forceful, but If I did I'm sorry. I also understand the viewpoint of 'if someone is so depressed they'll be willing to believe anything that will help them, but that doesn't make it true.' That does make sense, but my viewpoint is that sometimes it takes being that low to get someone to want to search for God. When I was happy or had pleasure in life I sure wasn't interested at all, i thought I knew everything. This guy has his little epiphany and suddenly he knows all this fancy stuff that they tell desperate people in their moments of weakness to draft them in the popular club. Preying on the weak is super effective. My mother had this friend who was depressive and got out of it by convincing herself that she had magical powers and could know the future. She went around, telling other people all this shit about their future - she told them how to live and what to do for the "best results". Her predictions never happened, and yet she remained convinced. It's good that you feel better though, even if it's for the wrong reasons. Best luck in the future. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
But if this helps you sleep and night and makes you happier, by all means dude. Just don't be one of of those hating Christians please. (like God hates gays or homosexuality) | ||
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
On November 14 2013 23:05 Bebop07 wrote: I'm genuinely sorry if I come off this way. I just believe in my heart Jesus is the truth, and what comes with that is the realization that hell is real. I'm coming from a perspective that I just want to save people, though I've come to realize it's not such a simple thing. Heck, my mom has been praying for me and trying to save me all my life and it took 24 years to listen. So I apologize again guys, i didn't mean to come off like someone from a cult or to be forceful, but If I did I'm sorry. I also understand the viewpoint of 'if someone is so depressed they'll be willing to believe anything that will help them, but that doesn't make it true.' That does make sense, but my viewpoint is that sometimes it takes being that low to get someone to want o search for God. When I was happy or had pleasure in life I sure wasn't interested at all, i thought I knew everything. I'm glad you got over depression but it's not your job to save people, their beliefs are just as valid as yours and the second you pretend your beliefs are the right beliefs then you are just another preachy nut. Believe whatever makes you happy and have enough respect and civility to let others do the same. Just throwing this out there as the "it's my job to save your soul" is a slippery slope down the path of hate. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
hell is real Ah no! Please tell me that you are not the kind of Christian that I think you are! If you haven't been to one already, I recommend that you spend some time at a Catholic Church or maybe even an Eastern Orthodox one. They tend to be much more logical and less emotional than other denominations in the US, and have much more developed understandings of scripture than the all-too-common "This is true because the King James Bibles says so." If you live in a rural area, there still will probably be a Catholic church somewhere nearby. That said, you won't learn much of the theology just from mass. Before I stopped going to church, my church had about 75% of homilies about obligations, duty, and donations. Also, homilies tend to be pretty dumbed down and simplified. Also hell isn't really a developed concept in scripture. Don't envision something from Dante's Inferno when it comes to hell. According to many understandings it is simply the lack of communion with God, not some fiery place beneath the earth. I guess that was kind of a big response to a little statement but the only people I've ever seen say that have been very fundamentalist, in-your-face people from rural areas. It's not your job to save anybody; be reasonable and let people think on their own accord. | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
On November 16 2013 08:52 Chocolate wrote: Also hell isn't really a developed concept in scripture. Don't envision something from Dante's Inferno when it comes to hell. According to many understandings it is simply the lack of communion with God, not some fiery place beneath the earth. Yes, that is a much more accurate representation of what the Bible actually says, and, theoretically, it's a much less desirable prospect; that's why Christians don't want others to go there. | ||
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