hello everyone. I've come here with great news..news I hope will reach everyone here who reads it. I'm a 24 year old guy, and had suffered from horrible depression/suicidal thoughts for years. It's a horrible, horrible thing. I was so fortunate to have a loving family who didn't give up on me. I had no ability to work, to function..even showering was a huge deal that i would only do if I had to leave the house. From the bottom of my heart I know that feeling. Some of you are suffering much worse..having to cope with these feelings while maintaining a job and other things. I am so, so sorry. I can't even imagine. I turned to drugs and alcohol thinking they were the answer, I promise you they're not and will never be. Through these times I still had a deep desire to be loved, and love. But I just couldn't. I really couldn't. My heart was so cold and my head filled with so much confusion and lies. One day I was doing something so horrible and shameful and I heard this voice from within me. This thought that came to me, like someone telling me 'stop, you cant cross this line, this is too much' I've had problems all my life with stuffing emotions down, stuffing my thoughts down. The only time I could feel any positive emotion or love was when I smoked pot. But it was a terrifying thing for me to smoke. I would see and realize all the horrible sinful things I was doing, and all the pain around me and I would always cry and cry and cry so I didn't smoke very often, preferring to simply be depressed than face these feelings. Anyway, after I stopped what i was doing, having decided it was a line too terrible to cross, I smoked. That night I did the usual thing I had done before which going to my parents and crying and telling them how sorry I am for who I was. They consoled me and told me everything was okay.
I then took a shower and..I don't know what came over me but I fell down to my knees and prayed from my heart for the first time in god only knows how many years. I begged god and Jesus to save me from this, to come into my life. I had just had enough, I couldn't live this way. I hadn't believed in god since I was a child and thought everyone who did was stupid or so miserable they needed god as a crutch. I tell you people it is the furthest thing from the truth. Jesus is the truth, and the more you learn about him and learn the truth..it's an amazing thing everybody. He gave us a free gift. he died for us so we can be forgiven of our sins. We have a free gift to go with him in heaven when we die and be happy forever and ever. I know it's a difficult thing to believe in, I know there's so many questions like 'if god loved me so much why would this of happened, or that' But trust me, god and Jesus love you more than you can imagine. They didn't do those horrible things to you. They are perfect loving gods. The problem is satan and the havoc and lies and confusion he's caused on earth. But the truth about Christianity that a lot of people don't understand is, just believing won't change make everything perfect all of a sudden. It's a process. If you ask god and jesus to save you and love you, it's a process that takes time. You have to keep the faith and build on your relationship with him like you would any other. Talk to him like you would your father, as he is all of our true father and creator. Confess your problems, ask for help, give it all to him and have faith he has a purpose for you. I'm telling you guys, that depression..that emptiness, those suicidal thoughts..GONE. Completely gone. And I had been on medication for years and years and been to psychiatric facilities 4 different times and it did NOTHING for me. Jesus is who saves. I know it's difficult to trust, but I promise it's worth it. Worth it to read his word, and believe and give yourself to him. There's lots of supposed 'ways' to live life, lots of different religions, but there's only one truth. It's jesus.
I hope my words have inspired at least 1 person to look into this and ask for Jesus to save them. I'll leave you with a video that answered so many of my questions I had about faith and religion, so many of my doubts. I pray you all will watch it and feel the same love and inspiration I did. Thank you for reading everyone, I hope this helps. (there is also a second movie in the series that is equally as wonderful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55pTVRyuaMk)
On November 13 2013 09:12 Chairman Ray wrote: So other than depression and suicidal thoughts, did you have any tangible problems prior to being saved?
Like something physical?
I phrased it quite poorly actually. I'm just curious to know what you were depressed or suicidal about and how this experience has helped you overcome those obstacles.
While I am very happy for your recent epiphany, I implore you to look up on this as not the culmination but only the beginning of your faith life. While there are many, you might say, peripheral benefits to faith, such as social and psychological well being, these things are not at the heart of what it means to be a Christian. If all you want is a feeling of worth, social and psychological well-being, a cogent system of values, etc, then you don't need Christianity or any other religion.
What it is is an adherence to the truth of the universe, and you no doubt have already grasped some of these truths: Your inherent self-worth as a human being, the existence of hope and the possibility of redemption.
I, myself, struggled with a crisis of faith recently, but I came to realize something that it seems you have earned at the outset. That no man can put the kingdom of God for you on a platter. You must embrace it, or, more correctly, open yourself up to it. What seems so alien to those who have not experienced it and must appear to be a blind trust or intentional self-blinding is really the culmination of intense self-searching and is itself a new beginning. I wish you all the luck on your new journey.
I know what a lot of people are thinking. I know because I'm thinking the same thing too. But you know what? You came from a very dark place, and now for the first time you're finding yourself in a very happy place. I wish you nothing but the best, and I truly hope that this happiness continues for the rest of your life.
This guy has his little epiphany and suddenly he knows all this fancy stuff that they tell desperate people in their moments of weakness to draft them in the popular club. Preying on the weak is super effective. My mother had this friend who was depressive and got out of it by convincing herself that she had magical powers and could know the future. She went around, telling other people all this shit about their future - she told them how to live and what to do for the "best results". Her predictions never happened, and yet she remained convinced.
It's good that you feel better though, even if it's for the wrong reasons. Best luck in the future.
On November 13 2013 12:19 IgnE wrote: Unfortunately, bro, you aren't one of the saved. You might as well get your fun in now because you aren't destined for heaven.
This kind of comment isn't useful in any way possible. It's sole purpose is designed to rile people up and get a reaction. Which it succeeded, because here I am, telling you that you're a dick.
I wish my soul was this easy. Alas! It was not meant to be, Jesus. The language of IHS/YES, the days/dias/dieties, YEArs, Moonths, and Horus. These are my representatives of the passable money-jar.
Yes, there is more to life than being depressed. Love and friendship are the two most valuable things. However it is hard for me to accept those religious people who pick on others because they are different.
I'll not say you have a waste of time ahead of you, for the path you chose is and will be a great benefit -- on most levels -- to those you enjoy it with.
However, please do not support holy wars or any form of military action. May you see the light of the morning star, may you watch the son as it passover the horus-on and be born of the mare(Ita. "sea"), and may it shine a light on you, that your dark days might be brighter. Good day!
It makes me sad when I read things like "...but there's only one truth. It's jesus." coming from a grown man, who should really know better than to write such rubbish. The thing about this shit that makes me angry though, is the fact that you, and many, many, others, will probably, and do, spew this shit to children, who will trust what their elders say, regardless of it making no sense.
I realize you mean well, but spewing garbage lies then insulting people's intelligence by telling them its the truth, will piss a lot of people off. If you want to challenge me on the lies comment, feel free, and we'll see how far gone your mind really is.
On November 13 2013 18:05 knOxStarcraft wrote: It makes me sad when I read things like "...but there's only one truth. It's jesus." coming from a grown man, who should really know better than to write such rubbish. The thing about this shit that makes me angry though, is the fact that you, and many, many, others, will probably, and do, spew this shit to children, who will trust what their elders say, regardless of it making no sense.
I realize you mean well, but spewing garbage lies then insulting people's intelligence by telling them its the truth, will piss a lot of people off. If you want to challenge me on the lies comment, feel free, and we'll see how far gone your mind really is.
Man just be happy for him, he's gotten over some serious depression and his faith is the cause of that, just be happy with him instead of picking on him.
On November 13 2013 18:05 knOxStarcraft wrote: It makes me sad when I read things like "...but there's only one truth. It's jesus." coming from a grown man, who should really know better than to write such rubbish. The thing about this shit that makes me angry though, is the fact that you, and many, many, others, will probably, and do, spew this shit to children, who will trust what their elders say, regardless of it making no sense.
I realize you mean well, but spewing garbage lies then insulting people's intelligence by telling them its the truth, will piss a lot of people off. If you want to challenge me on the lies comment, feel free, and we'll see how far gone your mind really is.
Man just be happy for him, he's gotten over some serious depression and his faith is the cause of that, just be happy with him instead of picking on him.
I'm happy that he's gotten over his depression, it's a terrible thing to go through I'm sure. However, preaching this crap is obnoxious and annoying, and does serious harm to others, even though it can be a band aid fix for certain things.
On November 13 2013 12:19 IgnE wrote: Unfortunately, bro, you aren't one of the saved. You might as well get your fun in now because you aren't destined for heaven.
This kind of comment isn't useful in any way possible. It's sole purpose is designed to rile people up and get a reaction. Which it succeeded, because here I am, telling you that you're a dick.
Haha, what an awesome comment this is. <3 <3
edit: @ the guy above me:
There's no need to come in here to challenge religion and pick a fight with all religious people and say that their minds are "gone." Stop trying to fight love with hate, man.
im glad you found Christ and are effectively dealing with depression. He can heal in many ways. However, the fight is forever and it is never over. Stay strong but do not worry if there are ups and downs in your life because that is life and what we all must endure.
On November 13 2013 18:05 knOxStarcraft wrote: It makes me sad when I read things like "...but there's only one truth. It's jesus." coming from a grown man, who should really know better than to write such rubbish. The thing about this shit that makes me angry though, is the fact that you, and many, many, others, will probably, and do, spew this shit to children, who will trust what their elders say, regardless of it making no sense.
I realize you mean well, but spewing garbage lies then insulting people's intelligence by telling them its the truth, will piss a lot of people off. If you want to challenge me on the lies comment, feel free, and we'll see how far gone your mind really is.
Man just be happy for him, he's gotten over some serious depression and his faith is the cause of that, just be happy with him instead of picking on him.
How do you know he's gotten over his depression? Faith in jesus found easily can be broken easily.
On November 13 2013 18:05 knOxStarcraft wrote: It makes me sad when I read things like "...but there's only one truth. It's jesus." coming from a grown man, who should really know better than to write such rubbish. The thing about this shit that makes me angry though, is the fact that you, and many, many, others, will probably, and do, spew this shit to children, who will trust what their elders say, regardless of it making no sense.
I realize you mean well, but spewing garbage lies then insulting people's intelligence by telling them its the truth, will piss a lot of people off. If you want to challenge me on the lies comment, feel free, and we'll see how far gone your mind really is.
Man just be happy for him, he's gotten over some serious depression and his faith is the cause of that, just be happy with him instead of picking on him.
How do you know he's gotten over his depression? Faith in jesus found easily can be broken easily.
Is it actually broken easily though? Depression breeds religion. When people are down they'll take anything they can to give purpose to their life and they don't let go, in my experience. That's why cults are a thing.
I've got many harsh criticisms of religion, both for the backward beliefs and the general bad influence. But I legitimately wouldn't know how to condemn a "force" which can help people out of their suicidal thoughts and general depression. So meh, if all else failed, why not. I don't think he'll become an extremist - if we're lucky, he'll go to a good progressive church, he won't oppress homosexuals, he won't argue that women should serve men and all that crap.
It's probably a win/win. But it would've been nice if he had gotten out of his depression through other means than worshiping a made up idol
Good for you on finding the Lord. Ignore the edgy teenage atheists in this thread, they seem to come out of the woodwork whenever a man dares to express his faith these days.
On November 13 2013 18:05 knOxStarcraft wrote: It makes me sad when I read things like "...but there's only one truth. It's jesus." coming from a grown man, who should really know better than to write such rubbish. The thing about this shit that makes me angry though, is the fact that you, and many, many, others, will probably, and do, spew this shit to children, who will trust what their elders say, regardless of it making no sense.
I realize you mean well, but spewing garbage lies then insulting people's intelligence by telling them its the truth, will piss a lot of people off. If you want to challenge me on the lies comment, feel free, and we'll see how far gone your mind really is.
Man just be happy for him, he's gotten over some serious depression and his faith is the cause of that, just be happy with him instead of picking on him.
How do you know he's gotten over his depression? Faith in jesus found easily can be broken easily.
Is it actually broken easily though? Depression breeds religion. When people are down they'll take anything they can to give purpose to their life and they don't let go, in my experience. That's why cults are a thing.
I've got many harsh criticisms of religion, both for the backward beliefs and the general bad influence. But I legitimately wouldn't know how to condemn a "force" which can help people out of their suicidal thoughts and general depression. So meh, if all else failed, why not. I don't think he'll become an extremist - if we're lucky, he'll go to a good progressive church, he won't oppress homosexuals, he won't argue that women should serve men and all that crap.
It's probably a win/win. But it would've been nice if he had gotten out of his depression through other means than worshiping a made up idol
Not sure if depression breeds religion, if it did, as you say, it would bring them out like a magic pill and rarely would anyone be depressed. I'm not sure on how easily faith can be broken, I know that it's a powerful force, probably more powerful than reason, and perhaps the most powerful when the two combine. The reason I don't feel confident in this, is that since he faithfully found jesus, he could faithfully lose that as well. I'm also still wondering if he just wanted to feel good all his life, but attributed that feeling to religiosity (embedded in him at an early age), and so kept himself in a depressed state.
The only problem comes when you start believing things that you are not required to believe in to keep the faith. For example, if your church holds a "support our troops" day, it should not cause you to believe that Jesus would also support our troops. If you have a BBQ, it should not create animosity towards those who go meatless. The problem is when you begin to attribute the same fervor you give Jesus to these new things that have nothing to do with religion. That's when things start to get dangerous.
You also give up your own personal power by allowing -- or in some cases even requiring -- yourself to "wait until the time comes" instead of learning how to become happy without waiting for Christmas.
Edit: You also offend some people who know that if you do a little bit of research, you can find the true meaning of the bible and other holy books. It dampens hope when information is out there -- which you shouldn't blindly believe either, by the way -- that can be used to point you to what you should personally be looking into if you want to know "the" (an older) origin of these stories. --and you know the information is out there for those who seek it, yet there is never any seeking, because why should you seek when you already have the answer and you can just regurgitate it? Okay, I'm done.
I'd also like to point out that psychiatric facilities only work on psychiatric disorders. You using that as an example implies you have a psychiatric disorder, and I don't think you do. Were you convinced that you have some illness that can only be treated with pills?
On November 13 2013 18:05 knOxStarcraft wrote: It makes me sad when I read things like "...but there's only one truth. It's jesus." coming from a grown man, who should really know better than to write such rubbish. The thing about this shit that makes me angry though, is the fact that you, and many, many, others, will probably, and do, spew this shit to children, who will trust what their elders say, regardless of it making no sense.
I realize you mean well, but spewing garbage lies then insulting people's intelligence by telling them its the truth, will piss a lot of people off. If you want to challenge me on the lies comment, feel free, and we'll see how far gone your mind really is.
Man just be happy for him, he's gotten over some serious depression and his faith is the cause of that, just be happy with him instead of picking on him.
How do you know he's gotten over his depression? Faith in jesus found easily can be broken easily.
Is it actually broken easily though? Depression breeds religion. When people are down they'll take anything they can to give purpose to their life and they don't let go, in my experience. That's why cults are a thing.
I've got many harsh criticisms of religion, both for the backward beliefs and the general bad influence. But I legitimately wouldn't know how to condemn a "force" which can help people out of their suicidal thoughts and general depression. So meh, if all else failed, why not. I don't think he'll become an extremist - if we're lucky, he'll go to a good progressive church, he won't oppress homosexuals, he won't argue that women should serve men and all that crap.
It's probably a win/win. But it would've been nice if he had gotten out of his depression through other means than worshiping a made up idol
Not sure if depression breeds religion, if it did, as you say, it would bring them out like a magic pill and rarely would anyone be depressed. I'm not sure on how easily faith can be broken, I know that it's a powerful force, probably more powerful than reason, and perhaps the most powerful when the two combine. The reason I don't feel confident in this, is that since he faithfully found jesus, he could faithfully lose that as well. I'm also still wondering if he just wanted to feel good all his life, but attributed that feeling to religiosity (embedded in him at an early age), and so kept himself in a depressed state.
It's the kind of thing that works once as far as I can tell. They're down, somebody comes up with this super awesome ideology that makes them feel important and fuzzy inside, eventually I'm sure it can wear down but they don't usually get rid of the ideology. They just keep it around.
People who become religious as adults don't tend to convert back because we're egotistical. Imagine how lame it would be if you were WRONG?
On November 13 2013 12:19 IgnE wrote: Unfortunately, bro, you aren't one of the saved. You might as well get your fun in now because you aren't destined for heaven.
This kind of comment isn't useful in any way possible. It's sole purpose is designed to rile people up and get a reaction. Which it succeeded, because here I am, telling you that you're a dick.
Why, it's very useful to know you are not going to go to heaven.
Thanks everyone for responding. I was actually mistaken about my depression being completely gone. I'm still going through it but I'm keeping the faith. I don't feel comfortable right now knowing and learning about atheist views and why they think Christianity is false because my true knowledge of Christianity and all the evidence out there that supports both viewpoints is so very limited and I'm not equipped to have much of a discussion. I realize now just flat out telling people Christianity is the only way and sort of trying to force it down people's throats isn't the right way to go about it. I apologize. I promise though, I never got any warm fuzzy happy feeling. It's been more of a peace. Although in small spurts I've had really emotional moments that I hadn't had in years.
On November 14 2013 04:58 Roe wrote: I'd also like to point out that psychiatric facilities only work on psychiatric disorders. You using that as an example implies you have a psychiatric disorder, and I don't think you do. Were you convinced that you have some illness that can only be treated with pills?
Well I was diagnosed bipolar II. But my family never agreed with that and my new doctor diagnosed me with MDD. But yes I did have hope pills would help me.
On November 13 2013 09:12 Chairman Ray wrote: So other than depression and suicidal thoughts, did you have any tangible problems prior to being saved?
Like something physical?
I phrased it quite poorly actually. I'm just curious to know what you were depressed or suicidal about and how this experience has helped you overcome those obstacles.
On November 13 2013 09:12 Chairman Ray wrote: So other than depression and suicidal thoughts, did you have any tangible problems prior to being saved?
Like something physical?
I phrased it quite poorly actually. I'm just curious to know what you were depressed or suicidal about and how this experience has helped you overcome those obstacles.
Well, my mother has had fibromyalgia and psoriatic arthritis for 15 or so years. The doctors put her on so many powerful painkillers that they made her act crazy and suicidal, and didn't help her pain. That hurt a lot, and I eventually lost basically all ability to feel pleasure or any happiness. I'm still in that state, but the dread and hopelessness is mostly gone, but when it comes back I now talk to my mother about my problems and fears/thoughts and she helps me greatly. I can now talk to people, which is a huge, huge thing for me. Before when i would go to therapy I would literally sit there and say nothing, as well as hide in my room 24/7 in my own misery and never talk to anyone. It's a hard thing to explain and I'm not entirely sure what's changed. Which is why i've been a lurker here since 2005 and had no part in the community more or less. My depression made me want no contact with people and no desire to connect. I had so much hate in my heart for people, I just hated the whole world and trusted no one. I still am very guarded but I'm genuinely trying to open my heart to people and be loved and to love. I also have a real interest in learning God's word and who he is and his interactions with us in the past. I never had any interest in school or learning anything for that matter, as I am a high school dropout. I also have quit looking at porn and sitting on the internet 24/7.
On November 13 2013 13:17 Djzapz wrote: This guy has his little epiphany and suddenly he knows all this fancy stuff that they tell desperate people in their moments of weakness to draft them in the popular club. Preying on the weak is super effective. My mother had this friend who was depressive and got out of it by convincing herself that she had magical powers and could know the future. She went around, telling other people all this shit about their future - she told them how to live and what to do for the "best results". Her predictions never happened, and yet she remained convinced.
It's good that you feel better though, even if it's for the wrong reasons. Best luck in the future.
I'm genuinely sorry if I come off this way. I just believe in my heart Jesus is the truth, and what comes with that is the realization that hell is real. I'm coming from a perspective that I just want to save people, though I've come to realize it's not such a simple thing. Heck, my mom has been praying for me and trying to save me all my life and it took 24 years to listen. So I apologize again guys, i didn't mean to come off like someone from a cult or to be forceful, but If I did I'm sorry. I also understand the viewpoint of 'if someone is so depressed they'll be willing to believe anything that will help them, but that doesn't make it true.' That does make sense, but my viewpoint is that sometimes it takes being that low to get someone to want to search for God. When I was happy or had pleasure in life I sure wasn't interested at all, i thought I knew everything.
I'd also like to add if anyone would like to discuss this with me, or learn the things I've learned, or even just prove me wrong send me a PM and we can talk on skype or any messaging system you use.
I'm assuming you worded it wrong accidentally, but you said "god and jesus are perfect loving gods" ... plural. God is Jesus. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Trinity. 3 persons = 1 God. There are no gods. There is only the One True God, and that is Jesus. Everything else you mention sounds right though.
On November 13 2013 13:17 Djzapz wrote: This guy has his little epiphany and suddenly he knows all this fancy stuff that they tell desperate people in their moments of weakness to draft them in the popular club. Preying on the weak is super effective. My mother had this friend who was depressive and got out of it by convincing herself that she had magical powers and could know the future. She went around, telling other people all this shit about their future - she told them how to live and what to do for the "best results". Her predictions never happened, and yet she remained convinced.
It's good tthat you feel better though, even if it's for the wrong reasons. Best luck in the future.
I'm genuinely sorry if I come off this way. I just believe in my heart Jesus is the truth, and what comes with that is the realization that hell is real. I'm coming from a perspective that I just want to save people, though I've come to realize it's not such a simple thing. Heck, my mom has been praying for me and trying to save me all my life and it took 24 years to listen. So I apologize again guys, i didn't mean to come off like someone from a cult or to be forceful, but If I did I'm sorry. I also understand the viewpoint of 'if someone is so depressed they'll be willing to believe anything that will help them, but that doesn't make it true.' That does make sense, but my viewpoint is that sometimes it takes being that low to get someone to want o search for God. When I was happy or had pleasure in life I sure wasn't interested at all, i thought I knew everything.
I'm glad you got over depression but it's not your job to save people, their beliefs are just as valid as yours and the second you pretend your beliefs are the right beliefs then you are just another preachy nut. Believe whatever makes you happy and have enough respect and civility to let others do the same.
Just throwing this out there as the "it's my job to save your soul" is a slippery slope down the path of hate.
I'm happy for you, friend. Just realize that even if religion doesn't work out for you, that is no reason to slip back in to your lowest state.
hell is real
Ah no! Please tell me that you are not the kind of Christian that I think you are! If you haven't been to one already, I recommend that you spend some time at a Catholic Church or maybe even an Eastern Orthodox one. They tend to be much more logical and less emotional than other denominations in the US, and have much more developed understandings of scripture than the all-too-common "This is true because the King James Bibles says so." If you live in a rural area, there still will probably be a Catholic church somewhere nearby. That said, you won't learn much of the theology just from mass. Before I stopped going to church, my church had about 75% of homilies about obligations, duty, and donations. Also, homilies tend to be pretty dumbed down and simplified.
Also hell isn't really a developed concept in scripture. Don't envision something from Dante's Inferno when it comes to hell. According to many understandings it is simply the lack of communion with God, not some fiery place beneath the earth.
I guess that was kind of a big response to a little statement but the only people I've ever seen say that have been very fundamentalist, in-your-face people from rural areas. It's not your job to save anybody; be reasonable and let people think on their own accord.
On November 16 2013 08:52 Chocolate wrote: Also hell isn't really a developed concept in scripture. Don't envision something from Dante's Inferno when it comes to hell. According to many understandings it is simply the lack of communion with God, not some fiery place beneath the earth.
Yes, that is a much more accurate representation of what the Bible actually says, and, theoretically, it's a much less desirable prospect; that's why Christians don't want others to go there.
It just makes more sense to me to view spirituality in terms of reincarnation. Because even people who "don't believe in reincarnation" might believe in a god and also heaven and hell, it makes sense to logically dissect the situation from a reincarnation perspective. That is, if you don't believe you are reincarnated inside the universe, you may believe you reincarnate to either heaven or hell. If you don't believe in heaven, hell, or reincarnation, well, you probably don't care about the nature of "the afterlife."
In my case, it makes more sense to me that heaven and hell are both places within the physical universe. Whether they are on the same dimension we perceive is largely irrelevant.
I believe in a loving universe, and that heaven and hell are states of being accessible in this current lifetime, and all potential future and past lifetimes. Your actions determine where you go. This makes more sense to me that heaven is a temporary bliss, not a place in the clouds where everyone wears white and is peaceful, forever. Also it makes more sense that hell is a temporary agony, not a place below the earth where everyone burns or has to push a rock up a hill, forever.
Thus, you retain the power, instead of giving it over to an unloving, condemning (for good or ill) god. You may commune with "god" if you wish, at any time. You can call god faith, the universe, or whatever, as long as you understand it is always on your side and will never condemn you. It will also never allow you to sit on your ass forever and remain happy forever without acting in good interest.
If you are in bliss, you may enjoy such communion and use it to lengthen the duration of your bliss. If you are in agony or apathy, which can be the same thing, you may wish to commune and move from agony towards bliss. Eternal bliss and eternal agony are laughable concepts to me.
In this situation you are reincarnated every moment, in either bliss or agony, according to your past actions and perceptions. You may also be reincarnated at some time after death, in an inital state of either bliss or agony, according to your past actions and perceptions.
It also frees you from the idea that you must fear god and Satan. And fear is something I don't like.
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Romans 10 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 1 Corinthians 6 9Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
On November 13 2013 12:19 IgnE wrote: Unfortunately, bro, you aren't one of the saved. You might as well get your fun in now because you aren't destined for heaven.
This kind of comment isn't useful in any way possible. It's sole purpose is designed to rile people up and get a reaction. Which it succeeded, because here I am, telling you that you're a dick.
Its useful in that he's not gonna waste his time expecting an afterlife and enjoy his time on earth instead. Its a valid comment, it just so happens you get offended by it. The problem is you not the comment.
The bible is full of stuff that's clearly scientifically false and inaccurate, but OP is raising 101 "scientific facts" that in many cases could be figured out or at least somewhat guessed through means available at the time, but they're also WILD interpretations.
Let's look at the evidence for the first few proofs that the Bible has some science in it 1- "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, And hangeth the earth upon nothing." space is not empty, Earth is not hung. There is no mention of anything that seems like gravity 2- "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" is interpreted as a prediction that atoms cannot be seen by eye. Not convincing. 10- "The Bible states that God created life according to kinds " This assumes that science recognizes "kinds" (rather than species). So this is scientifically inaccurate. A bunch of these are just not science. 11- The Bible and history reveal that countless people have endangered or even sacrificed their lives for another. This reality is completely at odds with Darwin's theory of the survival of the fittest.Wat (this betrays a misunderstanding of evolution so profound, it boggles the mind - and furthermore it obviously goes completely against science rather than with it)
Also the bible says things like pi=3, the firmament is described as a solid roof over the Earth, the moon is said to emit light, stars are described as small objects floating in the sky, the sun rotates around the Earth... And many, many more.
"Prediction" of certain facts which were ultimately proven by science (in MUCH more detail) is not the Bible's best shot at showing its holy provenance.
I am glad that you have dealt with your depression. There are many tips and tricks to ameliorate or cure such things. However, I used to be Christian until I realized it is full of bullshit and is somewhat childish. Just because it helped you in some way does not make it true. Read up on the placebo effect. Just saying. What matters is the truth, and I am willing to share it if I have the opportunity.
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If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 1 Corinthians 6 9Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
