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I think you know yourself that it isn't the colour of their skin or the origin of their people. You can hate specific people for being brutal and violent, but you can't say that is because of their race.
"All struggle is class struggle."
There are criminals in your class as well. Sometimes the crimes against humanity that they commit are not illegal. I don't like the notion of blaming society for an individual's actions either. I think we're all responsible for ourselves. But you cannot be so stupid as to think that has anything to do with nationality. In all societies there are violent people and there are the people that though maybe not violent themselves, are still able to survive in the world of violent people. These are traits that formed the countries we have today, create war and resource hoarding.
It is easier to sympathise with you if you hate the violence, not anyone sharing an irrelevant characteristic. If your grandfather and you were women, you could say why not hate all men? Aren't men responsible for most violent crimes? The logic doesn't follow, it's just disrespectful and likely to escalate the problems.
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On October 25 2013 06:57 SupplyBlockedTV wrote:
Today 2 north-african looking individuals broke into my grandfathers home (he is older then 80 and even had a stroke a few years back). They threw him out of his bed (badly injuring his leg and back) and told him "money, money" , "give it or i will hit you in your face".
Can you imagine how i feel right now, i could take a fucking axe right now and murder some people without second thought.
Probably if i could have these guys infront of me right now, i would kill them, no matter what the law says in this country, i would take them apart piece by piece.
You know, stuff like this happens alot in our country.
I know we should not be racist, and i know that for every rotten individual there is one that tries hard to fit in.
But if a crime happens here, it is 80% of the time committed by a individual of foreign origins.
Apparently there must be something with their culture or education that dictates them that robbing old people is a good thing to do.
Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?
Source on your 80% claim please.
Look at people as individuals, not as lifeless blobs that different masterminds control..
This isnt starcraft,
alien teenagers doesnt join a lobby for their favorite game Earth and go "Im colored people"
"ok then I'll play caucasian"
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On October 25 2013 15:17 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace. Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me! makes sense 2 me Nature vs nurture ring a bell? Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
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Like 80% of the world's biggest atrocities are committed by freaking racists
Tell me, why shouldn't I become the generalizing asshole?
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On October 25 2013 15:17 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace. Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me! makes sense 2 me Nature vs nurture ring a bell? Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
There is no answer because it's a false question.
It is in fact fairly obvious that both play a more or less equal role. The real question is can (good) Nurture compensate for (bad) Nature, or vice versa.
My opinion is that yes, they can, but not in any way that can be effectively addressed by 'social policy' on the part of any government.It has to happen in the family, the community, and/or on a personal level.
In other words it is unpredictable and sporadic due to the diverse and dynamic variables involved.
However, given enough generations, cultural evolution will inevitably occur, as it has so far.
Edited for grammar and formatting
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On October 26 2013 09:29 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 15:17 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace. Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me! makes sense 2 me Nature vs nurture ring a bell? Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean. So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible.
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On October 26 2013 13:07 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2013 09:29 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 15:17 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace. Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me! makes sense 2 me Nature vs nurture ring a bell? Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean. So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question. I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible.
i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault
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On October 26 2013 13:36 Kojak21 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2013 13:07 Shebuha wrote:On October 26 2013 09:29 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 15:17 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace. Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me! makes sense 2 me Nature vs nurture ring a bell? Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean. So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question. I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible. i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault
EXACTLY.
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On October 26 2013 13:36 Kojak21 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2013 13:07 Shebuha wrote:On October 26 2013 09:29 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 15:17 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace. Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me! makes sense 2 me Nature vs nurture ring a bell? Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean. So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question. I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible. i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault
I'm saying the opposite; that they are forced into slavery to eat food.
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On October 25 2013 19:49 Sejanus wrote:Show nested quote +
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense?
here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience.
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On October 27 2013 04:28 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 19:49 Sejanus wrote:
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense? here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience.
Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At no point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not.
Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible.
All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term.
Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful.
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On October 27 2013 05:16 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 04:28 IgnE wrote:On October 25 2013 19:49 Sejanus wrote:
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense? here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience. Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At not point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not. Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible. All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term. Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful.
i think you've missed the point. sejanus is assuring someone that their sentiment is not racist by referring to a simplistic and limited definition, when in fact their sentiment is racist.
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When you get robbed/assaulted by someone of your nationality, you know it's terrible but somewhat you internalize it. You're belgian and a belgian person robs you in Belgium, it kinda falls under logic, because a nation can't erase crime completely so there always will be bad people.
But when you get robbed by assholes from abroad, there you get angry and I share this line of reasoning. Every state has their criminals, and as if it weren't enough, european governments keep conducting a terrible immigration policy so we get even criminals from abroad.
Hope your grandfather recovers fast, OP!
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On October 26 2013 19:14 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2013 13:36 Kojak21 wrote:On October 26 2013 13:07 Shebuha wrote:On October 26 2013 09:29 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 15:17 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace. Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me! makes sense 2 me Nature vs nurture ring a bell? Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean. So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question. I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible. i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault I'm saying the opposite; that they are forced into slavery to eat food.
K, well I have no idea what you're talking about still because nothing you say makes any sense and isn't explained well. Goodbye, I guess.
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On October 27 2013 06:57 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 05:16 micronesia wrote:On October 27 2013 04:28 IgnE wrote:On October 25 2013 19:49 Sejanus wrote:
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense? here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience. Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At not point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not. Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible. All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term. Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful. i think you've missed the point. sejanus is assuring someone that their sentiment is not racist by referring to a simplistic and limited definition, when in fact their sentiment is racist. This is a different point than the original one you made, that Sejanus was racist (for the reason you gave). This point you are making now, while I'm not sure how much I agree, is not the one I was arguing with.
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On October 27 2013 13:43 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 06:57 IgnE wrote:On October 27 2013 05:16 micronesia wrote:On October 27 2013 04:28 IgnE wrote:On October 25 2013 19:49 Sejanus wrote:
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense? here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience. Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At not point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not. Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible. All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term. Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful. i think you've missed the point. sejanus is assuring someone that their sentiment is not racist by referring to a simplistic and limited definition, when in fact their sentiment is racist. This is a different point than the original one you made, that Sejanus was racist (for the reason you gave). This point you are making now, while I'm not sure how much I agree, is not the one I was arguing with.
the two are tied together. sejanus doesnt seem to understand racism ala my first post. therefore his argument and subsequent assurances are bad, and probably derived from rationalizations which are faulty justifications for his own racist feelings/thoughts
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Become a racist if you must, but don't share your racists thoughts and don't commit violence in the name of racism.
Hough
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On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote:
your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
Come on Sammie it's in your books !
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On October 29 2013 00:30 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote:
your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao. Come on Sammie it's in your books !
yeah that north african lumpenproletariat that just sprung sui generis out of the european soil
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