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NeuroticPsychosis
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States322 Posts
October 25 2013 03:56 GMT
#41
It's easy and convenient for us to provide social commentary from the comfort of our armchairs and keyboards. It is a different matter altogether when we are faced with a similar situation as the OP of a more personal nature. He may be a civilized and tolerant person in reality, therefore we should not be so quick to judge his character in a great time of distress and understandable frustration. His anger is a perfectly rational reaction, however it is misdirected towards individuals of a certain ethnicity as opposed to the prevailing socioeconomic structures and their consequences plaguing minority populations. In other words, if a group of white men demanded money from his grandfather and vandalized personal property, would the OP be just as upset? If the answer is yes, he is not racist and claims an initial racist impulse due to his emotions overriding his rationality.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 25 2013 04:10 GMT
#42
Slightly off-topic, but It's annoying to me that having a negative view of mass immigration automatically equates to racism in some people's minds. It's like prosperous western countries are supposed to accept unlimited immigration from developing countries no matter how many social problems this causes and anyone who objects in anyway is labeled a fascist by liberal academics (I'm a liberal myself on most issues but not on this one I guess).
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 25 2013 05:10 GMT
#43
On October 25 2013 13:10 tomatriedes wrote:
Slightly off-topic, but It's annoying to me that having a negative view of mass immigration automatically equates to racism in some people's minds. It's like prosperous western countries are supposed to accept unlimited immigration from developing countries no matter how many social problems this causes and anyone who objects in anyway is labeled a fascist by liberal academics (I'm a liberal myself on most issues but not on this one I guess).


why do you think the countries allow the immigration
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 25 2013 05:53 GMT
#44
I understand you OP but I think it's important to try to understand the root of the problem. Foreigners are more likely to commit crimes than locals, that is usually true. However, the problem has nothing to do with race or the country of origin - the issue is entirely social.

As a general rule, poor people are more likely to commit crimes. Immigrants are more likely to be poor because they have to deal with extra hardships in life (education, getting a job, racism itself, becoming part of the society). It's difficult for them. Now that doesn't justify their actions, obviously not, but that's the (basic) explanation from a sociological standpoint.

Now presumably you have no animosity toward a foreigner of any description who's well integrated to the Belgian society, works like the rest of you and commits no crimes... It isn't racist to be weary of the difficulties of multiculturalism. Would you attack or despise a nice foreign guy because of his skin color? Do you believe he's inferior because somebody of his skin color has committed disgusting acts? It's not the skin color or the "race" or the ethnicity that's the problem, but the existence of this social class which is particularly prone to criminality.
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hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
October 25 2013 06:01 GMT
#45
On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.

There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.

Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.

Peace.

Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!

makes sense 2 me

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Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
October 25 2013 06:17 GMT
#46
On October 25 2013 15:01 hp.Shell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 12:37 Shebuha wrote:
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote:
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.

There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.

Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.

Peace.

Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!

makes sense 2 me

Nature vs nurture ring a bell?

Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 07:27:06
October 25 2013 07:24 GMT
#47

Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?

Not sure what it has to do with racism... first, there's no becomming racist, either you are one or not, depending on your beliefs.


Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently

From Wikipedia.

So you believe those two assholes did what they did because they belong to a particular race, and also their whole race is inferior to yours? That was the reason for what they did? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist. Stupid, too.

But I have a strong feeling you are not stupid, it's just that your understanding of what racism is is messed up by dumb internet bandwagon on reddit and such, who scream racism every time some says something bad about a non western people or culture.
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 07:47:02
October 25 2013 07:46 GMT
#48
It's ok to have prejudice, it can save your life. After so much of these bad experiences if I meet a muslim guy from Algeria, Morocco or these countries I will not take for granted he has the same moral standards as me. That doesn't make you or me racist, it's simply a normal reaction to what's happening in our lives and how we feel threatened by their extremely poorly educated immigrants. People who do not face these kind of problems directly label you as racist (even if we have an issue only with their religion and upbringing) because that's the way America has promoted integration in their multiethnical society in the past decades and they greatly influence our culture.
It's true that if you were raised in the exact environment as these criminals who robbed your grandfather you would act in the same exact way, but this doesn't mean anything other than the fact you have to be aware of how dangerous these individuals can be and how much their way of living and treating people is different from ours.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 25 2013 08:12 GMT
#49
Give the white guy a good reason not to be racist everyone!

It's a joke, but it's the truth.
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Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 08:24:13
October 25 2013 08:23 GMT
#50

It's true that if you were raised in the exact environment as these criminals who robbed your grandfather you would act in the same exact way

No it's not true. Or rather not necessarily true. Genetics influence the way we act too, you know.
Friends don't let friends massacre civilians
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 25 2013 08:42 GMT
#51
On October 25 2013 16:24 Sejanus wrote:
Show nested quote +

Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?

Not sure what it has to do with racism... first, there's no becomming racist, either you are one or not, depending on your beliefs.

Show nested quote +

Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently

From Wikipedia.

So you believe those two assholes did what they did because they belong to a particular race, and also their whole race is inferior to yours? That was the reason for what they did? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist. Stupid, too.

But I have a strong feeling you are not stupid, it's just that your understanding of what racism is is messed up by dumb internet bandwagon on reddit and such, who scream racism every time some says something bad about a non western people or culture.



Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
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papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 09:55:00
October 25 2013 09:54 GMT
#52
On October 25 2013 06:57 SupplyBlockedTV wrote:
But if a crime happens here, it is 80% of the time committed by a individual of foreign origins.
Apparently there must be something with their culture or education that dictates them that robbing old people is a good thing to do.

Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?


So let me get this straight. People in Africa are taught by the community/parents/school that robbing old people is a good thing to do?

And there is some statistics in Belgium showing that 80% of the people that commit crime is of foreign origin?

And even if the statistics is correct your conclusion is that because they are from a place that is not as awesome as your contry seems to be it must be that in the rest of the world people are taught to rob old people?

Seriously, how do you come up with all this nonsense?

You are angry and sad and making false conclusions. If the person robbing your grandfather would be someone from Belgium you wouldn't make these false and sad conclusions you are making.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
October 25 2013 10:03 GMT
#53
What are the stats for ethnic minorities from non-impoverished backgrounds committing crimes? I would expect they are completely normalised with whites in Belgium as they are in any other country. This is about poverty and social mobility (the lack thereof), not about inferior cultures. Or at least very rarely about inferior cultures. Arabs killing their daughters because they marry with the wrong person is an example of inferior culture, but not this example you have given here.

Sorry about your grandpa though, that's awful.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
October 25 2013 10:14 GMT
#54
On October 25 2013 17:23 Sejanus wrote:
Show nested quote +

It's true that if you were raised in the exact environment as these criminals who robbed your grandfather you would act in the same exact way

No it's not true. Or rather not necessarily true. Genetics influence the way we act too, you know.

Genetics and the environment interact in complex ways. One such interaction is that if you look like you are from an ethnic minority, then you get treated differently by your environment.
JonIrenicus
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Italy602 Posts
October 25 2013 10:32 GMT
#55
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JonIrenicus
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Italy602 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 10:53:25
October 25 2013 10:36 GMT
#56
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 25 2013 10:36 GMT
#57
It's definitely not racism though. It's the same logic behind staying away from dangerous animals, because of a repeated history of violence towards humans.

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Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
October 25 2013 10:49 GMT
#58

Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.

Are you even trying to make sense?
Friends don't let friends massacre civilians
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12818 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 12:07:24
October 25 2013 12:07 GMT
#59
what if they were white? are you going to go all racist on white people too?
you can blame the society for not screening the quality of immigration for example, but getting all angry at their nationality/skin color just don't make sense.

would you feel better if they were of same skin color and are Belgium citizens?
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
October 25 2013 12:27 GMT
#60
On October 25 2013 19:32 JonIrenicus wrote:
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On October 25 2013 06:57 SupplyBlockedTV wrote:
Today 2 north-african looking individuals broke into my grandfathers home (he is older then 80 and even had a stroke a few years back). They threw him out of his bed (badly injuring his leg and back) and told him "money, money" , "give it or i will hit you in your face".

Can you imagine how i feel right now, i could take a fucking axe right now and murder some people without second thought.

Probably if i could have these guys infront of me right now, i would kill them, no matter what the law says in this country, i would take them apart piece by piece.

You know, stuff like this happens alot in our country.

I know we should not be racist, and i know that for every rotten individual there is one that tries hard to fit in.

But if a crime happens here, it is 80% of the time committed by a individual of foreign origins.
Apparently there must be something with their culture or education that dictates them that robbing old people is a good thing to do.

Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?

You should be happy that at least in Belgium I could bet justice works and what your father experienced could happen to anyone in this world...

There in Italy you could commit any amount of murders, robbery, thievery you wish without ever going to jail.. If I just explained you what it would mean Justice in italy you would start crying and throwing your monitor by your inner rage on how things go wrong...

One day I will explain you how things work, just to make you laugh a bit, histerically


You're so right man...you're so right I would smile, if it weren't such a pathetic situation
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