Today 2 north-african looking individuals broke into my grandfathers home (he is older then 80 and even had a stroke a few years back). They threw him out of his bed (badly injuring his leg and back) and told him "money, money" , "give it or i will hit you in your face".
Can you imagine how i feel right now, i could take a fucking axe right now and murder some people without second thought.
Probably if i could have these guys infront of me right now, i would kill them, no matter what the law says in this country, i would take them apart piece by piece.
You know, stuff like this happens alot in our country.
I know we should not be racist, and i know that for every rotten individual there is one that tries hard to fit in.
But if a crime happens here, it is 80% of the time committed by a individual of foreign origins. Apparently there must be something with their culture or education that dictates them that robbing old people is a good thing to do.
north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
You should remember that the problem here has nothing to do with race, it's culture. Or more specifically, the poor people coming from shitty places and shitty parents that raise them (or lack of parents or complete family systems). Also, this is not just about poor people, or certain cultures specifically. There are rich kids that have shitty parents that will do stuff like this too. etc.
It just so happens that most times, all these things line up together with a X race of people in Y place. Every place has their bad. In my city, I would say the biggest problem is actually white people. Bunch of tweakers and bros who think they are hard.
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
As to why you shouldn't become a "racist asshole:" because it doesn't make any sense? Judging people on race never does.
80% of the time that it is reported or publicized maybe, but I find it hard to believe that 80% of crimes in total are committed by foreigners.
To be honest I have experienced stuff like this in my country with certain groups, but honestly I've met some really cool people that made me realize that I shouldn't let bad people ruin my perception of a group as a whole. I'm sorry about your grandfather, though. Have you reported this to the police yet?
Because regardless of how many cunts there are in the ethnic minorities, it doesnt speak for all of them, never has and never will.
Judge every person as their own entity, do not make broad assumptions based on skin colour, race or religion.
Those north-african dudes are cunts who deserve an axe to the face (or an arrow to the knee.) but there are plenty others out there who have hearts of gold. You have to remember that not all north-africans live in your town / country, it is literally as simple as "getting a bad bunch".
By all means go hunt those fuckers down and fistfuck them with a knuckleduster, but be polite to the nice lady in the grocery store.
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
As to why you shouldn't become a "racist asshole:" because it doesn't make any sense? Judging people on race never does.
Ah the A-rabs. Btw, I always say middle eastern, but people in USA normally will say arab. I always assumed this to be somewhat racist, and incorrect considering that arab comes from arabian or saudia arabia which is obviously wrong 90% of the time.
Anyways, that's weird. I guess there are a couple of countries in North Afro that are middle eastern peoples. Morrocco, Libya, Sudan and Egypt. edit- forgot Tunisia and Algeria
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
As to why you shouldn't become a "racist asshole:" because it doesn't make any sense? Judging people on race never does.
Ah the A-rabs. Btw, I always say middle eastern, but people in USA normally will say arab. I always assumed this to be somewhat racist, and incorrect considering that arab comes from arabian or saudia arabia which is obviously wrong 90% of the time.
Anyways, that's weird. I guess there are a couple of countries in North Afro that are middle eastern peoples. Morrocco, Libya, Sudan and Egypt.
Saying arab is dumb, and I wouldn't say all the people in the US do it (only what I would consider uneducated people, largely). Iranian people are not arab at all (persian descent), and take offense to it (just as an example). Middle eastern is much more common, but still not all that correct, unless you define the "middle east" as basically all of africa north of the sahara.
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
As to why you shouldn't become a "racist asshole:" because it doesn't make any sense? Judging people on race never does.
Ah the A-rabs. Btw, I always say middle eastern, but people in USA normally will say arab. I always assumed this to be somewhat racist, and incorrect considering that arab comes from arabian or saudia arabia which is obviously wrong 90% of the time.
Anyways, that's weird. I guess there are a couple of countries in North Afro that are middle eastern peoples. Morrocco, Libya, Sudan and Egypt.
Saying arab is dumb, and I wouldn't say all the people in the US do it (only what I would consider uneducated people, largely). Iranian people are not arab at all (persian descent), and take offense to it (just as an example). Middle eastern is much more common, but still not all that correct, unless you define the "middle east" as basically all of africa north of the sahara.
yea, noticing that too. So what is the most PC term then? And furthermore, asian is usually meant to mean oriental type peoples from south-east part of the continent. But we also have India and Russia there too, so they are asians technically.
There is some correlation between race and crime, but it's important to know that not all people of a race follow the same suit. The reason why there's correlation between race and crime is that people naturally associate with others of the same race, and people are also strongly influenced by those around them. So for example, if there's a group of Koreans that are criminals, the families they raise and the people who become friends with them have a much higher chance of committing crime compared to someone who's around good people. The important thing to know is that even though this particular group of Koreans are criminals, it doesn't correlate with Koreans as a whole, and Koreans are inherently not criminals.
There are two regions that I've lived in before. Both of them have a very large aboriginal population, but one of them, they are mostly gangsters, while the other one is full of very nice people. So yeah, when I was in the former region, I've ran into way too many aboriginals that were violent, tried to sell me drugs, and even had some sort of gang fight happen right outside my house. While I wouldn't actively display any discrimination and I would be polite to them when approached, I would still avoid them if possible. Yeah I'm being racist and judging people by their skin color, but when there's such a strong statistical correlation between race and crime in this particular area, I would rather be racist than get mugged. Sometimes you really don't have the opportunity to get to know what people are like inside, because you may be putting yourself in danger. Even though I have had negative experiences with aboriginals in this region, I've met a lot of great people and even made a lot of friends at the other place.
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
As to why you shouldn't become a "racist asshole:" because it doesn't make any sense? Judging people on race never does.
Ah the A-rabs. Btw, I always say middle eastern, but people in USA normally will say arab. I always assumed this to be somewhat racist, and incorrect considering that arab comes from arabian or saudia arabia which is obviously wrong 90% of the time.
Anyways, that's weird. I guess there are a couple of countries in North Afro that are middle eastern peoples. Morrocco, Libya, Sudan and Egypt.
Saying arab is dumb, and I wouldn't say all the people in the US do it (only what I would consider uneducated people, largely). Iranian people are not arab at all (persian descent), and take offense to it (just as an example). Middle eastern is much more common, but still not all that correct, unless you define the "middle east" as basically all of africa north of the sahara.
yea, noticing that too. So what is the most PC term then? And furthermore, asian is usually meant to mean oriental type peoples from south-east part of the continent. But we also have India and Russia there too, so they are asians technically.
You could become more specific, like call people Turks, Kurds, Iranians, etc. But as for people with brown skin, dark hair but european features that you only know come from majority Muslim countries, I don't think there is a better term than Middle-Easterner. Maybe Maghrebi/Berber if they are from North Africa? I also have a good friend who looks middle-eastern but is actually Italian, so honestly it could be very hard to actually be correct.
On October 25 2013 07:19 Chairman Ray wrote: There is some correlation between race and crime, but it's important to know that not all people of a race follow the same suit. The reason why there's correlation between race and crime is that people naturally associate with others of the same race, and people are also strongly influenced by those around them. So for example, if there's a group of Koreans that are criminals, the families they raise and the people who become friends with them have a much higher chance of committing crime compared to someone who's around good people. The important thing to know is that even though this particular group of Koreans are criminals, it doesn't correlate with Koreans as a whole, and Koreans are inherently not criminals.
There are two regions that I've lived in before. Both of them have a very large aboriginal population, but one of them, they are mostly gangsters, while the other one is full of very nice people. So yeah, when I was in the former region, I've ran into way too many aboriginals that were violent, tried to sell me drugs, and even had some sort of gang fight happen right outside my house. While I wouldn't actively display any discrimination and I would be polite to them when approached, I would still avoid them if possible. Yeah I'm being racist and judging people by their skin color, but when there's such a strong statistical correlation between race and crime in this particular area, I would rather be racist than get mugged. Sometimes you really don't have the opportunity to get to know what people are like inside, because you may be putting yourself in danger. Even though I have had negative experiences with aboriginals in this region, I've met a lot of great people and even made a lot of friends at the other place.
That's not racism, that's profiling. And there is nothing wrong with it.
On October 25 2013 07:19 Chairman Ray wrote: There is some correlation between race and crime, but it's important to know that not all people of a race follow the same suit. The reason why there's correlation between race and crime is that people naturally associate with others of the same race, and people are also strongly influenced by those around them. So for example, if there's a group of Koreans that are criminals, the families they raise and the people who become friends with them have a much higher chance of committing crime compared to someone who's around good people. The important thing to know is that even though this particular group of Koreans are criminals, it doesn't correlate with Koreans as a whole, and Koreans are inherently not criminals.
There are two regions that I've lived in before. Both of them have a very large aboriginal population, but one of them, they are mostly gangsters, while the other one is full of very nice people. So yeah, when I was in the former region, I've ran into way too many aboriginals that were violent, tried to sell me drugs, and even had some sort of gang fight happen right outside my house. While I wouldn't actively display any discrimination and I would be polite to them when approached, I would still avoid them if possible. Yeah I'm being racist and judging people by their skin color, but when there's such a strong statistical correlation between race and crime in this particular area, I would rather be racist than get mugged. Sometimes you really don't have the opportunity to get to know what people are like inside, because you may be putting yourself in danger. Even though I have had negative experiences with aboriginals in this region, I've met a lot of great people and even made a lot of friends at the other place.
That's not racism, that's profiling. And there is nothing wrong with it.
hmm, I learn something new every day from TL. Thanks
You should dislike the culture that they come from, and that produced them, rather than the race. If they had grown up as babies in your country and culture, they would probably have had the same chance of being a criminal as individuals who were born there.
In Sweden, immigrants from some countries are over represented in crime statistics (middle eastern countries mostly). However, the earlier they immigrate, the less crime they commit, so the biggest factor is upbringing and culture (their genes were the same, but their culture was not).
It's probably the same with african immigrants in your country. If you take a sample of people from a country, the higher the crime rate is in that country, the more criminals you will have in your sample rate. That's what immigration is.
I doubt that growing up in a country improves them. People will hate regardless much like the OP and that will make them outsiders and fucked-up individuals more likely to commit crime then the average (ok, white.) citizen.
I know for damn sure that in england that black dude could have grown up here or flown in from Zimbabwe he's still taking my wallet. Same for any other race.
Alright. first off, sorry, i needed to vent really hard. Second, if mods decide that this blog will in no way positively contribute to teamliquid, then feel free to just shut it down and banish it to the darkest corners of the internet.
I know alot of good people from other cultures too. And i have great respect for those who try to get a honest job and build a peaceful family.
But yea, it pisses me off when people defend these kind of crimes by saying its just because they have no chances in this society. Even if that was true, nothing excuses physically harming an old man in his home. Also on the streets, i meet alot of hostility from these groups of people. I dont go to their country to claim entire neighborhoods and throw rocks at the police (yea that actually happens in belgium, police are threatening to go on a strike here after one of their colleagues got badly injured by a rock in a neighborhood that is labeled as a no-go zone (lawless)..)
If I'm in a city and I see a black/hispanic male dressed like some gangbanger, there's no way I would trust him. Like someone else mentioned, that's not racism, that's profiling, and it's also just good sense. The statistics are pretty well known and they show blacks and hispanics account for a disproportionately large amount of crimes relative to their populations in America. I think the unfortunate part is when the african american community want to blame racism for all of the negative reactions they get when the real problem is in their own community, because it's definitely a culture thing. What's even stranger, is that most of these crimes committed by blacks or hispanics are victimizing other blacks and hispanics, and yet many fail to realize the problem is in their own neighborhoods. It's definitely not racism though. It's the same logic behind staying away from dangerous animals, because of a repeated history of violence towards humans.
EDIT: I'm half hispanic, and the hispanics in my family are lovely people. I'm speaking from a statistical sense here. Obviously not every black/hispanic is out to rob you, that is racism.
On October 25 2013 08:48 blinkingangels wrote: It's definitely not racism though. It's the same logic behind staying away from dangerous animals, because of a repeated history of violence towards humans.
Fuckin lol
op you clearly realize that the actions of a few individuals can not be used to label or define an entire population, so dont worry about being racist.
your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
Your anger is completely normal. Even wanting to physically hurt them. (Although for your own sake I hope you won't actually do anything about it.) But to think anyone but the idiots who did this should suffer is seriously fucked up.
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
Pretty sure North African means North African (Algeria, Libya, Niger etc.) and just because they're black and live on the same continent, doesn't mean there's no difference... If they were middle eastern/arab I'm sure he'd use the term.
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
No, man. They are just there to leech on the prosperity of the Belgian people.
On October 25 2013 08:20 SupplyBlockedTV wrote: But yea, it pisses me off when people defend these kind of crimes by saying its just because they have no chances in this society. Even if that was true, nothing excuses physically harming an old man in his home. Also on the streets, i meet alot of hostility from these groups of people. I dont go to their country to claim entire neighborhoods and throw rocks at the police (yea that actually happens in belgium, police are threatening to go on a strike here after one of their colleagues got badly injured by a rock in a neighborhood that is labeled as a no-go zone (lawless)..)
I can't speak for other people, but there is a difference between defending crimes and explaining crimes. Why do some people commit violent crimes, whereas others don't? Much of it is due to having an upbringing plagued with misfortune (or alternately a mental disorder which is not their fault in and of itself). Most terrorists who are willing to do any vile thing are not coming from a life of luxury and comfort. The same general logic applies to the people who commit horrible crimes like the one you described in the OP. Of course, this is just a general description, and can't be applied to every person or every violent crime.
If you agree with the idea that socioeconomic disparity explains why some groups of people are more violent than others, think about why certain racial groups comprise certain social demographics more than others. The two explanations are either that it's inherent in their race (racist approach) or that there are historical factors playing a role, among many other complex reasons (the harder approach, yet the necessary one).
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
Pretty sure North African means North African (Algeria, Libya, Niger etc.) and just because they're black and live on the same continent, doesn't mean there's no difference... If they were middle eastern/arab I'm sure he'd use the term.
They... aren't... black...
You are basically arguing against yourself.
I can't even fully understand what you are trying to say... *head explodes*
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
No, man. They are just there to leech on the prosperity of the Belgian people.
maybe they are fleeing their countries because of the regime?
I hope you didnt write that seriously lol.
edit: oh yeah and LOL guys, north africa is called maghreb.
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
Pretty sure North African means North African (Algeria, Libya, Niger etc.) and just because they're black and live on the same continent, doesn't mean there's no difference... If they were middle eastern/arab I'm sure he'd use the term.
They... aren't... black...
You are basically arguing against yourself.
I can't even fully understand what you are trying to say... *head explodes*
there are north african muslims who look like what you would call "black"
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
I believe he means what we might call "middle eastern" in the united states. I.e. brown skin, dark hair.
That is different from "sub-Saharan" african that we might call "african american" in the US.
Pretty sure North African means North African (Algeria, Libya, Niger etc.) and just because they're black and live on the same continent, doesn't mean there's no difference... If they were middle eastern/arab I'm sure he'd use the term.
They... aren't... black...
You are basically arguing against yourself.
I can't even fully understand what you are trying to say... *head explodes*
there are north african muslims who look like what you would call "black"
Are they? The term "north african" is a weird way of describing a phenotype. I thought the OP meant someone that looked like this :
On October 25 2013 11:06 sam!zdat wrote: no that guy looks like an arab. there were a lot of north african muslims in my neighborhood in seattle, and they are "black"
yeah i think there are a number of different ethnic groups from that part of the world. also keep in mind that sometimes there are ethnic differences between people who rule and who are being ruled.
i can't really say about the people he is talking about, who knows.
I don't know what ethnicity that guy was. But there are a lot of people in north africa that look like that (that are muslim), and have been there for several millenia. There are also people that look like this that aren't arab:
I mean, if you really look closely you might be able to tell the difference, but at first glance probably not. Plus I think there are more brown skinned, dark haired ethnic groups in north africa besides Arab. Thus why both "north african" and "arab" are bad words at describing "race" in this context.
Edit: Maybe OP can clarify. At this point I'm confused. When I read "north african" I genuinely thought of someone that looked like what I posted above. I know there are "black" people in north africa was well, I just thought of someone that looked "arab" first.
On October 25 2013 06:58 MarlieChurphy wrote: north african? How is that different from other africans? I am serious, I didn't really know there was a difference.
They were clearly Algerians, probably from Oran.
On October 25 2013 06:57 SupplyBlockedTV wrote:
Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?
Nobody said you couldn't. In fact, go ahead and try it out. See if it makes your life better or not. See if it makes you happy as a person, then do a follow-up blog to let us all know how good your life has become since becoming a racist.
Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
It's easy and convenient for us to provide social commentary from the comfort of our armchairs and keyboards. It is a different matter altogether when we are faced with a similar situation as the OP of a more personal nature. He may be a civilized and tolerant person in reality, therefore we should not be so quick to judge his character in a great time of distress and understandable frustration. His anger is a perfectly rational reaction, however it is misdirected towards individuals of a certain ethnicity as opposed to the prevailing socioeconomic structures and their consequences plaguing minority populations. In other words, if a group of white men demanded money from his grandfather and vandalized personal property, would the OP be just as upset? If the answer is yes, he is not racist and claims an initial racist impulse due to his emotions overriding his rationality.
Slightly off-topic, but It's annoying to me that having a negative view of mass immigration automatically equates to racism in some people's minds. It's like prosperous western countries are supposed to accept unlimited immigration from developing countries no matter how many social problems this causes and anyone who objects in anyway is labeled a fascist by liberal academics (I'm a liberal myself on most issues but not on this one I guess).
On October 25 2013 13:10 tomatriedes wrote: Slightly off-topic, but It's annoying to me that having a negative view of mass immigration automatically equates to racism in some people's minds. It's like prosperous western countries are supposed to accept unlimited immigration from developing countries no matter how many social problems this causes and anyone who objects in anyway is labeled a fascist by liberal academics (I'm a liberal myself on most issues but not on this one I guess).
why do you think the countries allow the immigration
I understand you OP but I think it's important to try to understand the root of the problem. Foreigners are more likely to commit crimes than locals, that is usually true. However, the problem has nothing to do with race or the country of origin - the issue is entirely social.
As a general rule, poor people are more likely to commit crimes. Immigrants are more likely to be poor because they have to deal with extra hardships in life (education, getting a job, racism itself, becoming part of the society). It's difficult for them. Now that doesn't justify their actions, obviously not, but that's the (basic) explanation from a sociological standpoint.
Now presumably you have no animosity toward a foreigner of any description who's well integrated to the Belgian society, works like the rest of you and commits no crimes... It isn't racist to be weary of the difficulties of multiculturalism. Would you attack or despise a nice foreign guy because of his skin color? Do you believe he's inferior because somebody of his skin color has committed disgusting acts? It's not the skin color or the "race" or the ethnicity that's the problem, but the existence of this social class which is particularly prone to criminality.
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
Not sure what it has to do with racism... first, there's no becomming racist, either you are one or not, depending on your beliefs.
Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently
From Wikipedia.
So you believe those two assholes did what they did because they belong to a particular race, and also their whole race is inferior to yours? That was the reason for what they did? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist. Stupid, too.
But I have a strong feeling you are not stupid, it's just that your understanding of what racism is is messed up by dumb internet bandwagon on reddit and such, who scream racism every time some says something bad about a non western people or culture.
It's ok to have prejudice, it can save your life. After so much of these bad experiences if I meet a muslim guy from Algeria, Morocco or these countries I will not take for granted he has the same moral standards as me. That doesn't make you or me racist, it's simply a normal reaction to what's happening in our lives and how we feel threatened by their extremely poorly educated immigrants. People who do not face these kind of problems directly label you as racist (even if we have an issue only with their religion and upbringing) because that's the way America has promoted integration in their multiethnical society in the past decades and they greatly influence our culture. It's true that if you were raised in the exact environment as these criminals who robbed your grandfather you would act in the same exact way, but this doesn't mean anything other than the fact you have to be aware of how dangerous these individuals can be and how much their way of living and treating people is different from ours.
Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently
From Wikipedia.
So you believe those two assholes did what they did because they belong to a particular race, and also their whole race is inferior to yours? That was the reason for what they did? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist. Stupid, too.
But I have a strong feeling you are not stupid, it's just that your understanding of what racism is is messed up by dumb internet bandwagon on reddit and such, who scream racism every time some says something bad about a non western people or culture.
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
On October 25 2013 06:57 SupplyBlockedTV wrote: But if a crime happens here, it is 80% of the time committed by a individual of foreign origins. Apparently there must be something with their culture or education that dictates them that robbing old people is a good thing to do.
Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?
So let me get this straight. People in Africa are taught by the community/parents/school that robbing old people is a good thing to do?
And there is some statistics in Belgium showing that 80% of the people that commit crime is of foreign origin?
And even if the statistics is correct your conclusion is that because they are from a place that is not as awesome as your contry seems to be it must be that in the rest of the world people are taught to rob old people?
Seriously, how do you come up with all this nonsense?
You are angry and sad and making false conclusions. If the person robbing your grandfather would be someone from Belgium you wouldn't make these false and sad conclusions you are making.
What are the stats for ethnic minorities from non-impoverished backgrounds committing crimes? I would expect they are completely normalised with whites in Belgium as they are in any other country. This is about poverty and social mobility (the lack thereof), not about inferior cultures. Or at least very rarely about inferior cultures. Arabs killing their daughters because they marry with the wrong person is an example of inferior culture, but not this example you have given here.
It's true that if you were raised in the exact environment as these criminals who robbed your grandfather you would act in the same exact way
No it's not true. Or rather not necessarily true. Genetics influence the way we act too, you know.
Genetics and the environment interact in complex ways. One such interaction is that if you look like you are from an ethnic minority, then you get treated differently by your environment.
It's definitely not racism though. It's the same logic behind staying away from dangerous animals, because of a repeated history of violence towards humans.
what if they were white? are you going to go all racist on white people too? you can blame the society for not screening the quality of immigration for example, but getting all angry at their nationality/skin color just don't make sense.
would you feel better if they were of same skin color and are Belgium citizens?
On October 25 2013 06:57 SupplyBlockedTV wrote: Today 2 north-african looking individuals broke into my grandfathers home (he is older then 80 and even had a stroke a few years back). They threw him out of his bed (badly injuring his leg and back) and told him "money, money" , "give it or i will hit you in your face".
Can you imagine how i feel right now, i could take a fucking axe right now and murder some people without second thought.
Probably if i could have these guys infront of me right now, i would kill them, no matter what the law says in this country, i would take them apart piece by piece.
You know, stuff like this happens alot in our country.
I know we should not be racist, and i know that for every rotten individual there is one that tries hard to fit in.
But if a crime happens here, it is 80% of the time committed by a individual of foreign origins. Apparently there must be something with their culture or education that dictates them that robbing old people is a good thing to do.
Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?
You should be happy that at least in Belgium I could bet justice works and what your father experienced could happen to anyone in this world...
There in Italy you could commit any amount of murders, robbery, thievery you wish without ever going to jail.. If I just explained you what it would mean Justice in italy you would start crying and throwing your monitor by your inner rage on how things go wrong...
One day I will explain you how things work, just to make you laugh a bit, histerically
You're so right man...you're so right I would smile, if it weren't such a pathetic situation
I think you know yourself that it isn't the colour of their skin or the origin of their people. You can hate specific people for being brutal and violent, but you can't say that is because of their race.
"All struggle is class struggle."
There are criminals in your class as well. Sometimes the crimes against humanity that they commit are not illegal. I don't like the notion of blaming society for an individual's actions either. I think we're all responsible for ourselves. But you cannot be so stupid as to think that has anything to do with nationality. In all societies there are violent people and there are the people that though maybe not violent themselves, are still able to survive in the world of violent people. These are traits that formed the countries we have today, create war and resource hoarding.
It is easier to sympathise with you if you hate the violence, not anyone sharing an irrelevant characteristic. If your grandfather and you were women, you could say why not hate all men? Aren't men responsible for most violent crimes? The logic doesn't follow, it's just disrespectful and likely to escalate the problems.
On October 25 2013 06:57 SupplyBlockedTV wrote: Today 2 north-african looking individuals broke into my grandfathers home (he is older then 80 and even had a stroke a few years back). They threw him out of his bed (badly injuring his leg and back) and told him "money, money" , "give it or i will hit you in your face".
Can you imagine how i feel right now, i could take a fucking axe right now and murder some people without second thought.
Probably if i could have these guys infront of me right now, i would kill them, no matter what the law says in this country, i would take them apart piece by piece.
You know, stuff like this happens alot in our country.
I know we should not be racist, and i know that for every rotten individual there is one that tries hard to fit in.
But if a crime happens here, it is 80% of the time committed by a individual of foreign origins. Apparently there must be something with their culture or education that dictates them that robbing old people is a good thing to do.
Tell me, why i shouldn't become a racist asshole?
Source on your 80% claim please.
Look at people as individuals, not as lifeless blobs that different masterminds control..
This isnt starcraft,
alien teenagers doesnt join a lobby for their favorite game Earth and go "Im colored people" "ok then I'll play caucasian"
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
There is no answer because it's a false question.
It is in fact fairly obvious that both play a more or less equal role. The real question is can (good) Nurture compensate for (bad) Nature, or vice versa.
My opinion is that yes, they can, but not in any way that can be effectively addressed by 'social policy' on the part of any government.It has to happen in the family, the community, and/or on a personal level.
In other words it is unpredictable and sporadic due to the diverse and dynamic variables involved. However, given enough generations, cultural evolution will inevitably occur, as it has so far.
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible.
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible.
i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible.
i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible.
i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault
I'm saying the opposite; that they are forced into slavery to eat food.
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense?
here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience.
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense?
here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience.
Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At no point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not.
Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible.
All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term.
Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful.
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense?
here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience.
Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At not point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not.
Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible.
All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term.
Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful.
i think you've missed the point. sejanus is assuring someone that their sentiment is not racist by referring to a simplistic and limited definition, when in fact their sentiment is racist.
When you get robbed/assaulted by someone of your nationality, you know it's terrible but somewhat you internalize it. You're belgian and a belgian person robs you in Belgium, it kinda falls under logic, because a nation can't erase crime completely so there always will be bad people.
But when you get robbed by assholes from abroad, there you get angry and I share this line of reasoning. Every state has their criminals, and as if it weren't enough, european governments keep conducting a terrible immigration policy so we get even criminals from abroad.
On October 25 2013 12:27 hp.Shell wrote: Don't blame the people. Blame the society. Some people don't like the idea of wearing chains 8 hours a day. There are other ways to run the world than mass slavery.
There is something wrong with profiling. It's rude and very disrespectful to profile based on what others of the same profile might do.
Once again, don't hate the people. The world we live in is so fucked up and some people just can't deal with it, so they get money through other means.
Peace.
Please don't blame me for stealing from an 80 year old man and threatening to injure him more than I already have! ! It wasn't my fault! The society I was raised in sucked and I don't like doing work! Please, society, lift all responsibility for my actions and blame from me!
makes sense 2 me
Nature vs nurture ring a bell?
Yeah, it's a debate that no one knows the answer to, if that's what you mean.
So you agree that both sides have an effect on the behavior patterns of the person in question.
I don't know what the hell you're even on about, but saying "nature vs. nuture exists" doesn't mean that you can't blame people for their own actions, especially when they're fucking terrible.
i think he is saying that people can do what ever they want and its societies fault
I'm saying the opposite; that they are forced into slavery to eat food.
K, well I have no idea what you're talking about still because nothing you say makes any sense and isn't explained well. Goodbye, I guess.
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense?
here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience.
Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At not point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not.
Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible.
All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term.
Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful.
i think you've missed the point. sejanus is assuring someone that their sentiment is not racist by referring to a simplistic and limited definition, when in fact their sentiment is racist.
This is a different point than the original one you made, that Sejanus was racist (for the reason you gave). This point you are making now, while I'm not sure how much I agree, is not the one I was arguing with.
Is racism just the definition on wikipedia? As simple as that? If you believe it then yes you are racist.
Are you even trying to make sense?
here's a hint: if you have to compare behavior with the definition of racism in the first paragraph of its entry on wikipedia you probably don't understand racism. it is not a topic that lends itself to simple and concise definition. its an expansive topic that is emotionally charged and subjectively based, but no less real for that. the very fact that your instinct is to check the limited definition on wikipedia belies your lack of sociological understanding. your post smacks of someone with little empathy or real world experience.
Gonna have to disagree with you here. Sejanus referred to a definition, albeit an imperfect one (how do you define racism) in order to try to clarify a point for the OP. At not point is it clear that it was necessary for Sejanus to compare the behavior to some definition he just looked up in order to identify if the behavior was racist or not.
Your earlier comment that you are racist if you think the definition of racism is approximately the one on Wikipedia, really didn't make much sense. If somehow, it does make sense, you have failed to explain it in a way to make it sensible.
All you've done is identify that it's pretty much impossible to define racism, and therefore, authoritatively identify something has being 'not racist.' However, for conversational purposes it's okay to reassure people that things probably were not racist, even if it's possible there's some fringe group of people who would identify it as racist because of the diverse possible usages of the term.
Judging people by the fact that they attempted to look up a definition, rather than their points, is pretty much an ad hominem attack which isn't useful.
i think you've missed the point. sejanus is assuring someone that their sentiment is not racist by referring to a simplistic and limited definition, when in fact their sentiment is racist.
This is a different point than the original one you made, that Sejanus was racist (for the reason you gave). This point you are making now, while I'm not sure how much I agree, is not the one I was arguing with.
the two are tied together. sejanus doesnt seem to understand racism ala my first post. therefore his argument and subsequent assurances are bad, and probably derived from rationalizations which are faulty justifications for his own racist feelings/thoughts
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
Come on Sammie it's in your books !
yeah that north african lumpenproletariat that just sprung sui generis out of the european soil
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
Come on Sammie it's in your books !
yeah that north african lumpenproletariat that just sprung sui generis out of the european soil
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
Come on Sammie it's in your books !
yeah that north african lumpenproletariat that just sprung sui generis out of the european soil
The lumpenproletariat existed before.
Good try tho
your patronizing tone would be more effective if what you were saying made sense
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
Come on Sammie it's in your books !
yeah that north african lumpenproletariat that just sprung sui generis out of the european soil
The lumpenproletariat existed before.
Good try tho
your patronizing tone would be more effective if what you were saying made sense
It's kinda hilarious to see that the resident pseudo marxist is also trying to racialize the issue. And then he claims that i make no sense lol.
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
Come on Sammie it's in your books !
yeah that north african lumpenproletariat that just sprung sui generis out of the european soil
The lumpenproletariat existed before.
Good try tho
your patronizing tone would be more effective if what you were saying made sense
It's kinda hilarious to see that the resident pseudo marxist is also trying to racialize the issue. And then he claims that i make no sense lol.
doing the opposite. the issue was racialized in the op
edit: anyway, you misunderstand me and I don't want to argue about it with you, because I think you are a boor. go bother someone else
Sorry mate, you can no longer draw a line in the sand in Europe.
Imagine a bus carrying a bunch of people that can be easily associated with an ethnic group of your choice.
The bus is heading for your country.
Imagine that you know that one of the passengers is a dangerous criminal, violent thief who hates all those stupid Western values and wants to exploit and destroy them.
Could you turn that bus away? No... you would become a racist.
What if there were two such guys on the bus? No... you would become a racist.
Five of them? Nope... YWBaR..
Half of them? same... YWBaR.
You can not stand up and say "this is Europe man, you can't do X or Y here" because... YWBaR. Sorry... suck it up.
I think I understand what you mean OP. I assume Belgium, like my country, has a large number of people that descent from North-African/Middle-Eastern immigrants. From my personal experience, there are a lot (no seriously, a lot) more shitheads among these people than the other ethnic groups in my country. And I am not alone in this, there have several discussion on national tv about how there may be a problem with this group of people (the Ebru Umar incident being the latest prominent one).
However, I also know a few people who belong to this group that are great people. But still it can be hard not to become prejudice. What you need to do is not let this become gradually worse over time and keep judging people for the person they are, not their ethnicity.
On October 25 2013 09:28 sam!zdat wrote: your country needs those people so you can exploit their labor. otherwise your economy would collapse. when you import an underclass, you import desperation, anomie, and crime
You don't even know your Marxist fluff correctly, the lumpenproletariat is not here to work lmao.
Come on Sammie it's in your books !
yeah that north african lumpenproletariat that just sprung sui generis out of the european soil
The lumpenproletariat existed before.
Good try tho
your patronizing tone would be more effective if what you were saying made sense
It's kinda hilarious to see that the resident pseudo marxist is also trying to racialize the issue. And then he claims that i make no sense lol.
doing the opposite. the issue was racialized in the op
edit: anyway, you misunderstand me and I don't want to argue about it with you, because I think you are a boor. go bother someone else
I can understand you perfectly. I have been there before. Kinda funny that you think that i'm the boor here when you are the one trying to spew your little Marxist lies (and it is not even orthodoxt Marxism) and prejudice when you have clearly no idea about the immigration policies in Europe.
Anyway it was always a moral issue dear Sam. You are missing the point, like the OP. And like a good lefty boy you are just trying to find some excuses for the scum lol.
Everyone plays down racism. It is actually rampant, everywhere. People, for some reason, cannot seem to accept that people with other skin colours are part of the same species as them. I know my parents are racist at times and it drives me mental. Just because one or two people of a certain race have offended you or done something wrong, it doesnt make it okay to hate on everyone of that race. You have to give cultural differences a chance too. Most of this hate is borne of misunderstanding and a ignorance. To the o.p I understand your anger, and I would be angry too, but being a racist asshole isn't going to do anything but make you an angsty, bad tempered person that no-one wants to be around. Try to find some understanding for their situation, even if they wrong you and our grandfather. Bad things happen, often, and not everyone is nice. As you can see. Try to accept that these individuals are not representative of their race.
As Lord Henry says in Dorian Gray, the only way to overcome temptation is to yield to it. Once you accept that you are a racist rather than struggle against it, life becomes much easier, and you allow your repressed feelings to rise into the intellect, where it can be placed under good moderation.
On October 29 2013 03:52 MoltkeWarding wrote: As Lord Henry says in Dorian Gray, the only way to overcome temptation is to yield to it. Once you accept that you are a racist rather than struggle against it, life becomes much easier, and you allow your repressed feelings to rise into the intellect, where it can be placed under good moderation.
Precisely, in-group preference is a feature, not a bug.
On October 29 2013 03:52 MoltkeWarding wrote: As Lord Henry says in Dorian Gray, the only way to overcome temptation is to yield to it. Once you accept that you are a racist rather than struggle against it, life becomes much easier, and you allow your repressed feelings to rise into the intellect, where it can be placed under good moderation.
Precisely, in-group preference is a feature, not a bug.
reminds me of the confucian response to Mozi's doctrine of universal love
On October 29 2013 03:52 MoltkeWarding wrote: As Lord Henry says in Dorian Gray, the only way to overcome temptation is to yield to it. Once you accept that you are a racist rather than struggle against it, life becomes much easier, and you allow your repressed feelings to rise into the intellect, where it can be placed under good moderation.
Precisely, in-group preference is a feature, not a bug.
reminds me of the confucian response to Mozi's doctrine of universal love
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