Top 30 Foreigner Ranking, September 2013

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

September 09 2013 20:20 GMT

Please tell ur friends, state ur opinion in this thread, rate the blog and go on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1m20xh/top30_western_foreigner_ranking_september_2013/

About me and the ranking

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Hi TeamLiquid (and reddit),

I'm DiaBoLuS, a german low-mid GM protoss player in HotS (3x HotS / 5x WoL). I play sc2 since the release of the beta and I watch a shitton of professional SC2 – basically all major tournaments, many online cups and ladderstreams as well. Also, im obsessed with rankings!
Therefore, i post a foreigner rankings for about a year now, and i plan to keep posting rankings on a monthly basis in the future. When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.
--> no Jim, no Sen, no Xigua!

How do i make my ranking? Which criteria do i have?
My personal ranking watches mostly on results, but also on how they where achieved. Also, ladder-performances as well as past, major results play a role in my ranking – as well as my general impression of a player (does he seem talented / cheesy / cant seem to show off his full potential somehow). Activity obviously also plays a role – you cant call a player you never get to see one of the absolute best in my opinion.

Ranking system:
roughly
70% = my own rank /// 30% = aligulac.com rank.
both ranks will be shown in the players pictures, comulating in one rank.

So when criticizing the ranking, please talk specifically about my personal rank given, not the comulated rank, since the aligulac rank isnt influenced by me

! little explanation ! :

D: = Diabolus, my own ranking
A: = Aligulac, the aligulac.com ranking

Scarlett
1.

NaNiWa
3.

Snute
4.

Lucifron
5.

VortiX
6.

Happy
7.

Nerchio
8.

Grubby
9.

HasuObs
10.

BabyKnight
11.

Welmu
12.

TLO
13.

HuK
14.

Kas
15.

SaSe
16.

Dayshi
17.

goswser
18.

Suppy
19.

elfi
20.

MaNa
21.

ThorZaiN
22.

BlinG
23.

Harstem
24.

Bly
25.

TargA
26.

Bunny
27.

TitaN
28.

DeMusliM
29.

Starbuck
30.

HeRoMaRinE

The ~20 following players

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ToD

qxc

MajOr

Ret

Jig

VOTES

Top 10
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Poll: Who is the best western foreigner?

NaNiwa (17)

50%

Scarlett (14)

41%

Someone else (3)

9%

34 total votes

Your vote: Who is the best western foreigner?

(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Someone else

Poll: 1 | Scarlett

about right (16)

64%

slightly overrated (7)

28%

heavily overrated (2)

8%

25 total votes

Your vote: 1 | Scarlett

(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 1 | NaNiwa

about right (19)

79%

heavily overrated (3)

13%

slightly overrated (2)

8%

24 total votes

Your vote: 1 | NaNiwa

(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 3 | Snute

slightly overrated (9)

47%

heavily overrated (5)

26%

about right (4)

21%

slightly underrated (1)

5%

19 total votes

Your vote: 3 | Snute

(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 4 | Lucifron

heavily overrated (7)

44%

about right (6)

38%

slightly overrated (2)

13%

slightly underrated (1)

6%

16 total votes

Your vote: 4 | Lucifron

(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 5 | VortiX

about right (8)

62%

heavily overrated (3)

23%

slightly underrated (1)

8%

slightly overrated (1)

8%

13 total votes

Your vote: 5 | VortiX

(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 6 | Happy

about right (3)

27%

slightly underrated (3)

27%

heavily underrated (2)

18%

slightly overrated (2)

18%

heavily overrated (1)

9%

11 total votes

Your vote: 6 | Happy

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 7 | Nerchio

slightly underrated (4)

36%

about right (3)

27%

heavily overrated (3)

27%

heavily underrated (1)

9%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

11 total votes

Your vote: 7 | Nerchio

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 8 | Grubby

about right (5)

42%

heavily overrated (3)

25%

slightly overrated (2)

17%

heavily underrated (1)

8%

slightly underrated (1)

8%

12 total votes

Your vote: 8 | Grubby

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 9 | HasuObs

slightly underrated (4)

36%

about right (3)

27%

slightly overrated (3)

27%

heavily overrated (1)

9%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

11 total votes

Your vote: 9 | HasuObs

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 10 | BabyKnight

about right (5)

45%

heavily underrated (2)

18%

slightly overrated (2)

18%

slightly underrated (1)

9%

heavily overrated (1)

9%

11 total votes

Your vote: 10 | BabyKnight

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Top 20
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Poll: 11 | Welmu

about right (2)

33%

slightly underrated (2)

33%

slightly overrated (1)

17%

heavily overrated (1)

17%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

6 total votes

Your vote: 11 | Welmu

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 12 | TLO

about right (4)

57%

slightly underrated (1)

14%

slightly overrated (1)

14%

heavily overrated (1)

14%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

7 total votes

Your vote: 12 | TLO

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 13 | HuK

about right (3)

38%

heavily overrated (3)

38%

slightly underrated (1)

13%

slightly overrated (1)

13%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: 13 | HuK

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 14 | Kas

about right (3)

50%

slightly underrated (2)

33%

heavily overrated (1)

17%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

6 total votes

Your vote: 14 | Kas

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 15 | SaSe

slightly underrated (2)

40%

about right (1)

20%

slightly overrated (1)

20%

heavily overrated (1)

20%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

5 total votes

Your vote: 15 | SaSe

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 16 | Dayshi

about right (3)

50%

slightly underrated (2)

33%

heavily overrated (1)

17%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

6 total votes

Your vote: 16 | Dayshi

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 17 | goswser

heavily overrated (3)

38%

heavily underrated (2)

25%

slightly overrated (2)

25%

about right (1)

13%

slightly underrated (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: 17 | goswser

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 18 | Suppy

about right (2)

40%

heavily underrated (1)

20%

slightly underrated (1)

20%

heavily overrated (1)

20%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

5 total votes

Your vote: 18 | Suppy

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 19 | elfi

heavily underrated (3)

43%

heavily overrated (2)

29%

slightly underrated (1)

14%

about right (1)

14%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

7 total votes

Your vote: 19 | elfi

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 20 | MaNa

about right (2)

29%

slightly underrated (2)

29%

heavily overrated (2)

29%

heavily underrated (1)

14%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

7 total votes

Your vote: 20 | MaNa

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Top 30
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Poll: 21 | ThorZaiN

about right (3)

38%

slightly underrated (2)

25%

heavily overrated (2)

25%

slightly overrated (1)

13%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: 21 | ThorZaiN

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 22 | BlinG

heavily overrated (5)

56%

about right (2)

22%

slightly underrated (1)

11%

slightly overrated (1)

11%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

9 total votes

Your vote: 22 | BlinG

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 23 | Harstem

slightly underrated (4)

36%

about right (3)

27%

slightly overrated (2)

18%

heavily overrated (2)

18%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

11 total votes

Your vote: 23 | Harstem

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 24 | Bly

slightly underrated (2)

33%

heavily overrated (2)

33%

heavily underrated (1)

17%

about right (1)

17%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

6 total votes

Your vote: 24 | Bly

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 25 | TargA

slightly underrated (3)

38%

about right (2)

25%

heavily overrated (2)

25%

heavily underrated (1)

13%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: 25 | TargA

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 26 | Bunny

about right (2)

40%

heavily overrated (2)

40%

slightly underrated (1)

20%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

5 total votes

Your vote: 26 | Bunny

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 27 | TitaN

heavily underrated (1)

33%

about right (1)

33%

heavily overrated (1)

33%

slightly underrated (0)

0%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

3 total votes

Your vote: 27 | TitaN

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 28 | DeMusliM

about right (2)

50%

slightly underrated (1)

25%

slightly overrated (1)

25%

heavily underrated (0)

0%

heavily overrated (0)

0%

4 total votes

Your vote: 28 | DeMusliM

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 29 | Starbuck

heavily underrated (2)

50%

slightly overrated (1)

25%

heavily overrated (1)

25%

slightly underrated (0)

0%

about right (0)

0%

4 total votes

Your vote: 29 | Starbuck

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Poll: 30 | HeRoMaRinE

heavily underrated (4)

57%

slightly underrated (2)

29%

heavily overrated (1)

14%

about right (0)

0%

slightly overrated (0)

0%

7 total votes

Your vote: 30 | HeRoMaRinE

(Vote): heavily underrated
(Vote): slightly underrated
(Vote): about right
(Vote): slightly overrated
(Vote): heavily overrated

Top ~40
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Poll: Who deserves to be Top30 the most?

sLivko (2)

25%

Tefel (1)

13%

SortOf (1)

13%

ToD (1)

13%

ShoWTimE (1)

13%

Minigun (1)

13%

SjoW (1)

13%

Dimaga (0)

0%

mOOnGlaDe (0)

0%

State (0)

0%

KrasS (0)

0%

qxc (0)

0%

MajOr (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Who deserves to be Top30 the most?

(Vote): Tefel
(Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): sLivko
(Vote): SortOf
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): ToD
(Vote): ShoWTimE
(Vote): Minigun
(Vote): State
(Vote): KrasS
(Vote): qxc
(Vote): SjoW
(Vote): MajOr

March 2012
April 2012
May 2012
June 2012
July 2012
August 2012
September 2012
October 2012
November 2012
December 2012 (1)
December 2012 (2)
January 2013
March 2013
April 2013
May 2013
June 2013
July 2013
August 2013

Thanks, I hope u had a nice read!

Xoronius

Germany6362 Posts

September 09 2013 21:08 GMT

Top 30 look pretty much spot on. I guess one could say, that Hasu and Grubby should be swapped, that Heromarine is probably a lot better than Demuslim or things of similar magnitude, but that is probably pretty subjective. Also I really like, that you had the courage to give Harstem the raise, that he deserved, so overall really well done top 30.

One thing I have to critisize though, is the lack of Happyzerg in the following 20. The guy has won 5 of his last 6 matches against koreans, including wins over Taeja, Ryung and MMA and he does´nt get mentioned, while Jig gets in the top 50 instantly for doing good at 1 NA qualifier and Kane gets in for beating desrow, edge and avilo, while players like hOpe, paranoid, Brat_OK or GoOdy (who just 2-0 FXOHurricane a few hours ago, although the article was probably already out then) have to stay out.

But still, the main list seems really good this time, thanks for the work.

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

September 09 2013 21:32 GMT

I feel like since Scarlett is taking a break, it's hard for me to understand putting her at #1. She is, right now, possibly the best foreigner out there, but since she is taking a break, I feel like she deserves a posthumous mention more than anything else. That said, this looks spot on.

Pontius Pirate

United States1557 Posts

September 09 2013 21:53 GMT

tbh, I can't really see ranking Naniwa as equal to Scarlett to be the slightest bit valid. Basically, either put her off the list as an honorable mention (vacation and all that jazz), or rank Naniwa's unreliability lower. I'd put him at 4th, below Lucifron and Snute, though I'll admit that Snute's mediocre performance in the WCS NA challenger makes me unsure of whether his excellent team league performances should put him so high.

Also, I'm iffy on Starbuck. While he had a nice run in WCS EU qualifiers, including that absolutely genius drone stacking stunt, he's been a bit of a bust in team leagues since then.

EDIT: I should probably mention that I greatly appreciate you for putting this together, and I hope it gets more attention.

Xoronius

Germany6362 Posts

September 09 2013 23:39 GMT

On September 10 2013 06:53 Pontius Pirate wrote:
tbh, I can't really see ranking Naniwa as equal to Scarlett to be the slightest bit valid. Basically, either put her off the list as an honorable mention (vacation and all that jazz), or rank Naniwa's unreliability lower. I'd put him at 4th, below Lucifron and Snute, though I'll admit that Snute's mediocre performance in the WCS NA challenger makes me unsure of whether his excellent team league performances should put him so high.

Based on what, if I´m allowed to ask? Nani placed just as high as Scarlett at season finals and has had much more succes in the past. Tbh. I would put him as the undisputed Nr.1 in the post-Stephano age and I see absolutely no reason to put Scarlett above him. She had an amazing performance at season finals, so she deserves the equal first rank for this month, but let´s be honest, if you switch their groups at SF, Innovation eats Scarlett in their losers match (she said, she does not feel comfortable in vP, so she probably loses to duckdeok) and Nani has a nice chance to go 4-0.

thezanursic

5497 Posts

September 10 2013 00:02 GMT

A Slovene in the Foreigner Power Ranking - Starbuck. Obviously not legit!

In game one against Genius, Starbuck stacked his drones and sent them across the map to make it look like a single drone, catching Genius by surprise.

This actually sounds pretty interesting. Can somebody link me to the VOD?

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

September 10 2013 00:06 GMT

its pretty funny - when it picks up a tiny bit and gets on page 1 on reddit, i have 2k views within 2 hours - if it doesnt i have 200 :D

thanks for the feedback anyway, will keep going!^^

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

September 10 2013 00:06 GMT

4 NA in the top 18. Nice to see some players from the region putting up good results lately.

On September 10 2013 09:12 thezanursic wrote:

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2 NA and 0 Americans in top 16.

2 Americans and 0 slovenians in the top 18.

thezanursic

5497 Posts

September 10 2013 00:12 GMT

On September 10 2013 09:06 Shellshock wrote:
4 NA in the top 18. Nice to see some players from the region putting up good results lately.

2 NA and 0 Americans in top 16.

Xoronius

Germany6362 Posts

September 10 2013 00:21 GMT

#10

On September 10 2013 09:06 Shellshock wrote:
4 NA in the top 18. Nice to see some players from the region putting up good results lately.

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2 Americans and 0 slovenians in the top 18.

Tbf. the United States have 150 times the population of Slovenia.

thezanursic

5497 Posts

September 10 2013 00:51 GMT

#11

On September 10 2013 09:21 Xoronius wrote:

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Tbf. the United States have 150 times the population of Slovenia.

I had a point. Did you?

Xoronius

Germany6362 Posts

September 10 2013 01:02 GMT

#12

On September 10 2013 09:51 thezanursic wrote:

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I had a point. Did you?

I am defending you.

Littlesheep

Canada217 Posts

September 10 2013 18:44 GMT

#13

Scarlett has been the top foreigner for a long time now, people are just beginning to realize it.

Sabre

United Kingdom1086 Posts

September 10 2013 23:44 GMT

#14

don't wanna sound crazy, but with JonnyRecco finding form again in the ESET UK Masters and various online leagues I kinda expect him to return into the players following the top30. We'll see I guess ^_^