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Finally happened in the self-serve section of Ikea (a swedish furniture chain popular-ish to poor americans and college students). We're standing there arguing that since the color of EXPEDIT shelf was out of stock if we should buy the black color or whatnot. We probably stood there blanking starring at the empty pallet for 10 seconds then turn around to not see the kid anywhere.
Of course the first thing we do is yell his name and assume this situation would definitely be the first time he ever responds to our yelling. After 45 seconds of walking up and down the isle, I'm starting to get annoyed; and the wife is in full-on panic mode.
Here's the layout of the self-serve section: star is where we were at
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fHw2vE9.png)
So now she's screaming up the aisle asking everyone if they're seen a little mexican baby, and I'm bending over running trying to see down the aisles. I think I saw a glimmer of his shirt down towards aisle 2 and since the wife was running down towards the odds, decide just to head towards 2 by jumping over the boxes of unassembled furniture
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VgnBZ1N.png)
(I'm the yellow star!)
After getting a few shocked looks as I jumped out from behind the boxes, I am sure I heard a giggle from the next aisle. Two more aisles over as I jump out into the aisle, someone say to me "He just went thru there!". Unfortunately, the opening the lady was pointing at was too small for me, so I had to run half up the aisle to find a spot to crawl thru. I finally spot him at the far end, and decide to snap this blurry photo to text the wife:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rYaItTR.jpg)
I finally nab him and spank his booty, and put him on my head and start slowly walking back towards where we left the stroller (assuming the wife will read the text). Of course she didn't, by the time I walk back from aisle 14 to 34 and strap him into the stroller (screaming of course) I hear the overhead announcer say to look out for a lone toddler. By the time I near the center, the tortured screams from the cart had reached the wife and speed walks over and punches me for no reason.
Long story short, he is getting a leash (and ice cream)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Dc1d1wh.png)
 
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FuDDx
United States5007 Posts
O good god a leash ......That is all I am saying on that subject.
It must be pretty insane to loss your child. So far so good here ones 14 and one almost 7. Good Luck.
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Hong Kong9151 Posts
a leash seems like a horrible overreaction to this. is this your child or a dog we are talking about?
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GPS track your spawn. Leashes are for dogs.
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As someone who works retail 30 hours at the same time as attending university, I can say that parents who put their kids on a leash are my favourite people, and people who let their kids do whatever they want, well.. I'm wont saying I'm not not going to murder some of them.
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What's wrong with a leash? Nothing quite as good as a little discipline in your formative years  .
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As soon as you enter a store, give your kid a small piece of a chocolate bar. Tell him he can have the rest later. He'll annoy the crap out of you by asking for the rest like every 5 seconds, but at least he won't wander off.
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By the time I near the center, the tortured screams from the cart had reached the wife and speed walks over and punches me for no reason.
What an interesting reaction. Does she usually punch people when she's stressed?
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You people..He isnt talking about a collar and leash around the neck rofl. There are specific "baby walker" leashes that are like a harness around him that just stays attached to you / in your hand so the child cant wander off too far.
They are actually very very helpful and humane.
Chocolate bar idea is #1 protip.
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I remember before having kids looking upon this situation with derision.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rfy5Djm.jpg)
"This leash demeans us both."
The onus is on you to keep your kid from running amok; treating him like an animal by putting a leash on him is ridiculous. Right?
Now that I have an 8-month old son who I have to chase around the house (crawling, no less), I sort of see that point of view? I don't know. My wife is leaning towards picking one up with a backpack or something to disguise the fact that it's effectively a leash. It still rubs me the wrong way, but knowing that my son is going to be a runner for sure (and really, we've known this since he was in utero, beating the shit out of my wife's insides) will it be the right thing to do?
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not sure if joke with the leash. I know that there are kid's leashes as shown in the picture above. However, if you only have ONE kid then you guys should be able to keep an eye out for him. It's different if you have four or more running around to each direction. Or maybe your kid happens to be especially wild 
If you are strict but fair and keep it up even when around people (even tho he may cry more than is comfortable at first) I believe that a leash wont be necessary at all, and he will happily follow you two around.
Not that I have a kid, and each parent will do what they think is the best for their kid of course. They sure can be a pain sometimes.
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I have no kids, but here is a story from the other side of the road:
Turns out we and my father were at some kind of old multi-stuff market. Something like a bazaar , basically a street with a lot of small shops all together with different kind of sales. I was like 5 or 6 I guess so I was sort of grown up. He was looking for one of his toys, something about a car obviously. I was just looking at the toy stores, so when he found out his shop I asked to stay in one of the toys shop, because I was not having a boring time with "his" stuff. He agreed, went with me to the shop next to his, that had toys and told me to stay there and that he was going to be right in the next right-side shop. After checking the store in like 10 minutes I went full bored and proceeded to reclaim my father in the side shop. He wasnt there...
Ok Panic time. So i went back to my toy store, rechecked, back to his store, re-checked, went to the left side store -nothing. I remember that I thought to myself "ok I am grown up now so what do I do? this guy is obviously desperate looking for me now..." I started asking a few people but I dont even remember if they understood what I was telling. Then I remembered that there was a guard like point, because a few times I had listened the call of parents looking for their lost children on a speaker. I asked where was this place to someone and then when I got there I asked the guard to call my father: "...lost father -name here- please come to the guard post... your son is waiting you here, at the guard post" sounded on the speaker in the full market for about 5 minutes.
In the end, he had more trouble than me finding the guard post, and when he arrived he looked at me and told me: "what? you were lost? I didnt even knew you were lost. I thought you were at the toy store, I was two shops next to you...and then I started listening that I was lost..." Silly parents.
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Those harnesses are handy. Good for safety and stress levels. Just think of it as an upgrade from the stroller. Anyone against it should try taking an active 2 yr old to a shop and see how hard it is.
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On August 20 2013 17:36 Scarecrow wrote:
Those harnesses are handy. Good for safety and stress levels. Just think of it as an upgrade from the stroller. Anyone against it should try taking an active 2 yr old to a shop and see how hard it is.
It called parenting where I am from and 'stressful' doesn't mean unmanageable. Its also easier to park your kid in front of the TV than to play with him, still not the right thing to do ;-)
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All you need to do is to walk slowly enough for the kid to catch up to you after he took a good look at whatever's more interesting at the moment. If you don't want the kid to explore on his own, take his hand or put him on your shoulders. I have to agree with NaturO here, responsible parenting > controlling your kids.
On August 20 2013 14:00 Fumanchu wrote:
As soon as you enter a store, give your kid a small piece of a chocolate bar. Tell him he can have the rest later. He'll annoy the crap out of you by asking for the rest like every 5 seconds, but at least he won't wander off.
A bread roll works just as well, but isn't as bad for their teeth.
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On August 20 2013 17:38 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 17:36 Scarecrow wrote:
Those harnesses are handy. Good for safety and stress levels. Just think of it as an upgrade from the stroller. Anyone against it should try taking an active 2 yr old to a shop and see how hard it is. It called parenting where I am from and 'stressful' doesn't mean unmanageable. Its also easier to park your kid in front of the TV than to play with him, still not the right thing to do ;-)
I assume you don't have a kid. Not all toddlers are the same and to say there is a 'right' way of parenting is ridiculous. 'Stressful' doesn't even remotely cover some days as a parent. There are times when you need to park your kid in front of the TV or restrain them (e.g. stroller/harness/high chair or shoulders) and you'll realise that once you grow out of being a righteous ass.
On August 20 2013 18:07 Dagobert wrote:
All you need to do is to walk slowly enough for the kid to catch up to you after he took a good look at whatever's more interesting at the moment. If you don't want the kid to explore on his own, take his hand or put him on your shoulders. I have to agree with NaturO here, responsible parenting > controlling your kids.
So control is bad yet you list two ways of controlling them. The harness actually gives them more freedom to explore than hand/shoulders. Responsible parenting is surviving and getting shit done whilst managing a toddler's moods and safety. Sometimes tricks/negotiation works but other times it involves straps and control, be it for high chairs, strollers, back packs or whatever. Using the harness If they have a habit of wandering out of eyesight until they learn to stay relatively close isn't a bad/irresponsible option, especially when it's just you and the kid shopping.
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On August 20 2013 18:35 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 17:38 NarutO wrote:On August 20 2013 17:36 Scarecrow wrote:
Those harnesses are handy. Good for safety and stress levels. Just think of it as an upgrade from the stroller. Anyone against it should try taking an active 2 yr old to a shop and see how hard it is. It called parenting where I am from and 'stressful' doesn't mean unmanageable. Its also easier to park your kid in front of the TV than to play with him, still not the right thing to do ;-) I assume you don't have a kid. Not all toddlers are the same and to say there is a 'right' way of parenting is ridiculous. 'Stressful' doesn't even remotely cover some days as a parent. There are times when you need to park your kid in front of the TV or restrain them (e.g. stroller/harness/high chair or shoulders) and you'll realise that once you grow out of being a righteous ass. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 18:07 Dagobert wrote:
All you need to do is to walk slowly enough for the kid to catch up to you after he took a good look at whatever's more interesting at the moment. If you don't want the kid to explore on his own, take his hand or put him on your shoulders. I have to agree with NaturO here, responsible parenting > controlling your kids. So control is bad yet you list two ways of controlling them. The harness actually gives them more freedom to explore than hand/shoulders. Responsible parenting is surviving and getting shit done whilst managing a toddler's moods and safety. Sometimes tricks/negotiation works but other times it involves straps and control, be it for high chairs, strollers, back packs or whatever. Using the harness If they have a habit of wandering out of eyesight until they learn to stay relatively close isn't a bad/irresponsible option, especially when it's just you and the kid shopping.
A righteous ass? Not at all. It simply isn't the right approach, I'm sorry. Treating your child like you treat an animal. I got 4 sisters and all of them have kids (multiple) - none of them would need a leash to control their kid neither did I when going out with them / babysitting them. I never said kids aren't stressful but the responsibility that comes with having one (or more) so if you are not ready for it, I would suggest not thinking about having one in the first place.
Most people don't treat dogs right with a leash, I doubt they would handle their child right. Especially in named - stressful situations. Those situations won't be avoided and a kid that wants to explore, would want to explore regardless of a leach / harness or not. So you would just pull him around the whole time. If that is being a righteous ass for you, be it as it is, but I am pretty sure you have no experience with kids as a father yourself?
-_-
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This is interesting. I don't know that anyone here is advertising their use at all times, but people seem to be making that assumption. I was raised in a family of 4 children, and my brother and I were VERY independent walkers (we both had bells on our feet when we first learned). My parents had a harness that they used on us, but only from about age 3 to age 4, and even then, it was only when we all went to the mall together. Only at the mall.
For those dissenting, are you against strapping a child in a stroller so that they cannot walk around?
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On August 20 2013 19:18 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 18:35 Scarecrow wrote:On August 20 2013 17:38 NarutO wrote:On August 20 2013 17:36 Scarecrow wrote:
Those harnesses are handy. Good for safety and stress levels. Just think of it as an upgrade from the stroller. Anyone against it should try taking an active 2 yr old to a shop and see how hard it is. It called parenting where I am from and 'stressful' doesn't mean unmanageable. Its also easier to park your kid in front of the TV than to play with him, still not the right thing to do ;-) I assume you don't have a kid. Not all toddlers are the same and to say there is a 'right' way of parenting is ridiculous. 'Stressful' doesn't even remotely cover some days as a parent. There are times when you need to park your kid in front of the TV or restrain them (e.g. stroller/harness/high chair or shoulders) and you'll realise that once you grow out of being a righteous ass. On August 20 2013 18:07 Dagobert wrote:
All you need to do is to walk slowly enough for the kid to catch up to you after he took a good look at whatever's more interesting at the moment. If you don't want the kid to explore on his own, take his hand or put him on your shoulders. I have to agree with NaturO here, responsible parenting > controlling your kids. So control is bad yet you list two ways of controlling them. The harness actually gives them more freedom to explore than hand/shoulders. Responsible parenting is surviving and getting shit done whilst managing a toddler's moods and safety. Sometimes tricks/negotiation works but other times it involves straps and control, be it for high chairs, strollers, back packs or whatever. Using the harness If they have a habit of wandering out of eyesight until they learn to stay relatively close isn't a bad/irresponsible option, especially when it's just you and the kid shopping. A righteous ass? Not at all. It simply isn't the right approach, I'm sorry. Treating your child like you treat an animal. I got 4 sisters and all of them have kids (multiple) - none of them would need a leash to control their kid neither did I when going out with them / babysitting them. I never said kids aren't stressful but the responsibility that comes with having one (or more) so if you are not ready for it, I would suggest not thinking about having one in the first place. Most people don't treat dogs right with a leash, I doubt they would handle their child right. Especially in named - stressful situations. Those situations won't be avoided and a kid that wants to explore, would want to explore regardless of a leach / harness or not. So you would just pull him around the whole time. If that is being a righteous ass for you, be it as it is, but I am pretty sure you have no experience with kids as a father yourself? -_-
Saying something isn't the right approach to parenting when you have 0 experience as a parent (brother/babysitter is like going to the zoo to look at the cute animals once in a while compared to working in it) is pretty damn righteous imo. I have an 18 month old daughter, don't use a harness (they're not leashes) but have no problem with buying one or other parents who use them. In some situations it would've been useful. A hand can be slippery (especially dangerous near roads) and has you hunched over to hold it. Shoulders are brutal when it's hot and humid and when they really want to walk. Low doorways are also a hazard and you often need both hands to keep them steady when they're this young. The harness gives you 1.5 hands free which is a plus and is better than just strapping them in a pram.
"Most people don't treat dogs right with a leash".... because they're dogs. You really think parents would treat the leash like they would with a dog? Anyway, the dog analogy is retarded. You effectively use a leash/harness when rock climbing for safety with someone holding the end. Having one attached to your child for safety is the opposite of irresponsible and is only really an issue for people who can't shake the dog image. It's not bad parenting just because of how you feel when you see it, whereas every other piece of restraining/safety equipment is fine because it doesn't 'look' like a dog on a leash. Besides parents treat kids like animals all the time. They give them snacks or treats when they're good, establish boundaries, clean up their shit and say the equivalent of 'good dog/bad dog' a lot. Toddlers around 18+ months are probably even less safety aware than dogs.
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Is a leashed baby socially accepted in the US?
Im pretty sure if you did it in my town you would get a police visit.
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On August 20 2013 20:42 LaNague wrote:
Is a leashed baby socially accepted in the US?
Im pretty sure if you did it in my town you would get a police visit.
Wearing this + Show Spoiler + gets a police visit? Pretty sure noone here is talking about actual collar leashes.
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On August 20 2013 20:58 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:42 LaNague wrote:
Is a leashed baby socially accepted in the US?
Im pretty sure if you did it in my town you would get a police visit. Wearing this + Show Spoiler + gets a police visit? Pretty sure noone here is talking about actual collar leashes.
i have never seen anyone using this.
And maybe not a police visit, but if a police patrol would see it, im sure they would at least talk to child and ask if everything is ok.
Anyways, my point was that this isnt accepted at all where i live as people find it degrading.
I personally didnt even leash my dog, so i sure as hell would not leash my child :D
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Lol @ all these responses from people who don't have kids of their own speaking with such conviction. My son absolutely hates being confined to a stroller, car seat, shopping cart seat, or even being held if he sees something he wants to play with/inspect/put-his-mouth-on/poke/prod/throwsomethingat/etc. Usually at stores we let him wander about the aisles and can spot him easily from his incessant giggles.
My son pees on my face sometimes, and feel soooooooo degraded (/sarcasm). Then i called the cops on him for public urination and loitering. We aren't really serious about the harness/leash (yet anyways) maybe when #2 comes along and the transition between 1 and 2 strollers.
For some reason my son doesn't like chocolate yet. Not sure why, he does eat blueberries non-stop though, so much that sometimes his poop is blue. Our current favorite form of distraction is a styrofoam cup. Absolutely loves that shit. Motions like he's drinking out of it, puts stuff he finds into it, then tries to drink that.
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On August 20 2013 21:13 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:58 Scarecrow wrote:On August 20 2013 20:42 LaNague wrote:
Is a leashed baby socially accepted in the US?
Im pretty sure if you did it in my town you would get a police visit. Wearing this + Show Spoiler + gets a police visit? Pretty sure noone here is talking about actual collar leashes. And maybe not a police visit, but if a police patrol would see it, im sure they would at least talk to child and ask if everything is ok.
I can't imagine police trying to communicate with a 2/3 year old to ask if they're ok in front of the guardian/s. It must either be a very quiet town or, going by this thread, Germans have a real stigma with leashes. I also find it hard to believe police would be worried about a toddler wearing a teddy bear harness and yet be totally fine with one strapped into a stroller.
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I've never seen anyone use a kid leash anywhere in Europe. Maybe it's a cultural thing but to me it looks like something that you might joke about but never seriously consider.
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Wow seriously, the leash hate rofl. Some people
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isnt your kid half asian?? surely you could do something more drastic than a leash and ice cream!!
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My 2 cents as a parent:
Toddlers don't like strollers. You'd have to buckle the average 3 year old in, and yeah, that's worse than a leash.
Strollers mean no exercise. I see so many fat kids in strollers.
Our solution was to safety pin jingle bells to the cuffs of his pants. My son could run around, but we could hear if we went too far. Some parents buy shoes that have squeakers in them, but the bells are cheaper and work with any shoes.
Burrfoot, WaveofShadow, maybe consider bells?
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I don't think it's necessarily about hearing when they go, but controlling what they can and can't 'get into.'
If you take them into a china shop no bells are going to help you (not that I would, just an example  ).
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On August 21 2013 00:09 WaveofShadow wrote:I don't think it's necessarily about hearing when they go, but controlling what they can and can't 'get into.' If you take them into a china shop no bells are going to help you (not that I would, just an example ).
Okay, good point. I guess it depends on the kid. My son was a runner, so the bells worked for us. Now he's older, and will put things that we don't really want into the shopping cart when we're not looking, and yeah, it's a whole different game.
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It's always funny to see how parents will tell others "you don't have kids so you don't know and therefore I'm right and you're wrong". I'm sure it's tough and I can sympathize, but you're still making excuses when you say your kid's behavior is erratic and so you should put a leash on him like a dog. Discipline your kid like he's a human, it has been done before.
I love Capped's response. "Leash hate", rofl. It's not hatred of the leash, it's dislike of lazy parents who treat their kid like animals because they can't be bothered to find a humane solution to their problem. We have technology now which allows us to find things or people without ridiculing the kids.
And now obviously people will tell me that I don't get to judge because I don't have kids, so fine, I'll hide behind the opinion of essentially everyone I know, including my mother and my friends who have kids. My mother would be disgusted. All my friends would be disgusted. Nobody cares about that little argument that "parents can't be wrong because YOU don't have kids". Stop trying to justify your BS like that. I'm sure it's difficult tho but you're not that helpless, come on.
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FuDDx
United States5007 Posts
I will not say I am right for any reason.
I am a father of two as stated prior a 14year old and a 7 year old.
That said my wife and I have never used a leash (collared, or backpack version) on our kids. I think its horrible in my own opinion. Of course they are kids and want to run around, but as parents it is our job to teach children not to opt out for a easier "hands free" method (IMO). When my children became unruly, and they will, the things that worked for us is being fair and firm and not making any promises we were not going to keep. If they tried to leave us they were either made to hold our hand or when they were young the went into the grocery cart or stroller, or held hands. Kids are smart if you have rules and follow through with those rules, imagine this, they learn.
If you use them fine. It is your choice your life and your child's life. But to be quite honest, my first thought when seeing these things, no matter the parent and their ability's, I think less of you for it.
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A fair compromise: take a sharpie and write IF LOST RETURN TO BURFOOT (phonenumber) on his forehead
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On August 21 2013 00:03 QuanticHawk wrote:
isnt your kid half asian?? surely you could do something more drastic than a leash and ice cream!!
Yep, half-asian or mexican! He's not yet a year and a half, but were saying he's 5 month old to help his baseball prospects.
But first I intend to bind him to the piano with violin bow string unt he performs at Carnegie Hall, then buy a child google glass with World of Warcraft app to farm gold for me while practicing piano and violin at the same time. Then I will go to forums around the net and admonish every parent for not having a kid in the 99.99999999th %ile. Silly Americans ADD doesn't exist, your kids are just dumb!
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yeah sure let him run around until he really gets lost or hurts himself. I dont think kids are as trauma sensitive as we like to think. If he is taken care of, fed, cleaned and loved he's not gonna be traumatized by a perfectly humane and handly leash.
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On August 21 2013 01:21 QuanticHawk wrote:
A fair compromise: take a sharpie and write IF LOST RETURN TO BURFOOT (phonenumber) on his forehead
Sounds pretty fool-proof to me
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On August 21 2013 00:40 Djzapz wrote:
It's always funny to see how parents will tell others "you don't have kids so you don't know and therefore I'm right and you're wrong". I'm sure it's tough and I can sympathize, but you're still making excuses when you say your kid's behavior is erratic and so you should put a leash on him like a dog. Discipline your kid like he's a human, it has been done before.
I love Capped's response. "Leash hate", rofl. It's not hatred of the leash, it's dislike of lazy parents who treat their kid like animals because they can't be bothered to find a humane solution to their problem. We have technology now which allows us to find things or people without ridiculing the kids.
And now obviously people will tell me that I don't get to judge because I don't have kids, so fine, I'll hide behind the opinion of essentially everyone I know, including my mother and my friends who have kids. My mother would be disgusted. All my friends would be disgusted. Nobody cares about that little argument that "parents can't be wrong because YOU don't have kids". Stop trying to justify your BS like that. I'm sure it's difficult tho but you're not that helpless, come on.
You go on about how disgusting and BS it is yet how is is that different to strapping them in a pram, trolley or a high chair? Toddlers are often disciplined like an animal (lol @ inhumane) with treats for good behaviour, the equivalent of 'good dog/bad dog', boundaries, toilet training etc. We're all animals and toddlers are even more so. Having a transitional tool between strapping to prams/back and letting them go free-range seems pretty reasonable. As long as they are treated safely and are happy I don't see the issue (beyond a cultural stigma in the West). 'Disgusting' is beating your kid or locking them in a car. A tool that stops them from getting run-over/lost but gives them more freedom than a pram is suddenly horrible parenting for some subjective BS that the kid doesn't care about. In rock climbing you have a leash attached and wear a harness, because it's dangerous. When a 2 year old is with you alone and you're trying to shop/do shit in a busy environment it can also be dangerous (this blog is about 2 parents in a store and the kid getting lost). If you put it in perspective I don't see how it's harmful to the kid, or lazy. No toddler is going to be scarred by this, only judgemental folks who can't shake the dog image (even though they don't even look like a dog leash).
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On August 21 2013 09:33 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:40 Djzapz wrote:
It's always funny to see how parents will tell others "you don't have kids so you don't know and therefore I'm right and you're wrong". I'm sure it's tough and I can sympathize, but you're still making excuses when you say your kid's behavior is erratic and so you should put a leash on him like a dog. Discipline your kid like he's a human, it has been done before.
I love Capped's response. "Leash hate", rofl. It's not hatred of the leash, it's dislike of lazy parents who treat their kid like animals because they can't be bothered to find a humane solution to their problem. We have technology now which allows us to find things or people without ridiculing the kids.
And now obviously people will tell me that I don't get to judge because I don't have kids, so fine, I'll hide behind the opinion of essentially everyone I know, including my mother and my friends who have kids. My mother would be disgusted. All my friends would be disgusted. Nobody cares about that little argument that "parents can't be wrong because YOU don't have kids". Stop trying to justify your BS like that. I'm sure it's difficult tho but you're not that helpless, come on. You go on about how disgusting and BS it is yet how is is that different to strapping them in a pram, trolley or a high chair?
How is it not different? I just don't see the resemblance... If the kid is old enough you don't tie him in a stroller or whatever. I've never really seen that tbh anyway. Annoying kids are walking around at the supermarket, at the IKEA, at the grocery stores, that's fine.
Toddlers are often disciplined like an animal (lol @ inhumane) with treats for good behaviour, the equivalent of 'good dog/bad dog', boundaries, toilet training etc
Sure discipline is a thing and a kid leash is another. I'm pretty glad I've never seen a kid leash in my life because I'd feel bad for the poor thing. And that's the image people get when they see a kid leash, a poor thing, not a poor kid. Because he's at the end of a fucking leash.
As long as they are treated safely and are happy I don't see the issue (beyond a cultural stigma in the West). 'Disgusting' is beating your kid or locking them in a car. A tool that stops them from getting run-over/lost but gives them more freedom than a pram is suddenly horrible parenting for some subjective BS that the kid doesn't care about.
Nothing says freedom like getting tugged around.
In rock climbing you have a leash attached and wear a harness
lol... man...
No toddler is going to be scarred by this, only judgemental folks who can't shake the dog image (even though they don't even look like a dog leash).
They may not be scarred by this in particular. I'm thinking parents who have so little respect for their kid that they put him on a leash are probably more damaging to their child because of the fact that they clearly don't give all that much of a fuck about his dignity.
And the reason why it's a leash rather than some kind of device with wheels is probably because that probably would be even more trouble. If you can't be bothered about that, odds are you can't be bothered about much.
I liked the argument that the kid's not old enough to really care though. Kid's new enough to this world that it doesn't know it doesn't have any dignity when waddling around and trying to make sure his leash doesn't get tangled. I'm really glad my parents never had to teach me how not to tangle a leash.
Edit: OP banned me from his blog. Cheers.
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On August 21 2013 01:21 QuanticHawk wrote:
A fair compromise: take a sharpie and write IF LOST RETURN TO BURFOOT (phonenumber) on his forehead
I actually have a "MADE IN CHINA" shirt to match his "MADE IN MEXICO" shirt, I'm pretty racist.
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Just to keep feeding the trolls:
This is me letting the wife choke out my kid while using dog grooming clippers to trim his hair!!
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On August 21 2013 09:47 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 09:33 Scarecrow wrote:On August 21 2013 00:40 Djzapz wrote:
It's always funny to see how parents will tell others "you don't have kids so you don't know and therefore I'm right and you're wrong". I'm sure it's tough and I can sympathize, but you're still making excuses when you say your kid's behavior is erratic and so you should put a leash on him like a dog. Discipline your kid like he's a human, it has been done before.
I love Capped's response. "Leash hate", rofl. It's not hatred of the leash, it's dislike of lazy parents who treat their kid like animals because they can't be bothered to find a humane solution to their problem. We have technology now which allows us to find things or people without ridiculing the kids.
And now obviously people will tell me that I don't get to judge because I don't have kids, so fine, I'll hide behind the opinion of essentially everyone I know, including my mother and my friends who have kids. My mother would be disgusted. All my friends would be disgusted. Nobody cares about that little argument that "parents can't be wrong because YOU don't have kids". Stop trying to justify your BS like that. I'm sure it's difficult tho but you're not that helpless, come on. You go on about how disgusting and BS it is yet how is is that different to strapping them in a pram, trolley or a high chair? How is it not different? I just don't see the resemblance... If the kid is old enough you don't tie him in a stroller or whatever. I've never really seen that tbh anyway. Annoying kids are walking around at the supermarket, at the IKEA, at the grocery stores, that's fine. Show nested quote +As long as they are treated safely and are happy I don't see the issue (beyond a cultural stigma in the West). 'Disgusting' is beating your kid or locking them in a car. A tool that stops them from getting run-over/lost but gives them more freedom than a pram is suddenly horrible parenting for some subjective BS that the kid doesn't care about. Nothing says freedom like getting tugged around.
It's often hard for a non-parent to realise the age differences, and what they're capable of, between a toddler and a kid. I'm talking about toddlers. Kids walking around a supermarket is fine and don't really need to be restrained after 3 or 4. We're talking about when the kid is not old enough, like around 2, but wants to walk around and not be in the stroller.
@ 'nothing says freedom like', try some basic reading comprehension.
I cbf replying to the rest of your points (though I completely disagree), as I'm sure you won't change your mind and I've already tried my best to put up rational opposition to the guys with leash-complexes in this thread.
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It still seems to me that most of the dissenters have this idea that the children being harnessed are harnessed everywhere they are taken, for any reason, for a long period, from ages 1-10 (okay now I'm exaggerating). But seriously, in my experience, both as a child who was so inhumanely harnessed and as an inside observer of many other families who practice this, the children are only harnessed if a) they've shown a penchant for wondering/running/exploring b) are about 3, no more than 4, years old and c) are being taken to very crowded venues such as malls or theme parks.
I was an awfully "independent" toddler. When my mother would take me to the mall, I loved to hide everywhere and explore nooks and crannies. My younger brother was WORSE than me, being the type to not only explore, but sprint to wherever he was going, regardless of traffic, human or vehicular. I, myself, had to rescue Nathan multiple times from certain doom. We each had harnesses; mine was blue and his was teal, and they had sweet teddy bears stitched into the front. And you know what? We loved those things. We didn't have to sit tied up in the stroller anymore when we went to the mall (which drove Nathan especially crazy). After our irresponsible phase (age 4, maybe a little later for Nathan) we ditched them. The other 2 children in my family, brother and sister, didn't need them after us because they weren't quite so free spirited about exploration. Anecdotal evidence, etc etc. My parents only used them at the mall or fairs or other very crowded places. Never a corner store or Wally World.
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On August 20 2013 12:21 Djzapz wrote:
GPS track your spawn. Leashes are for dogs.
....aaaand thanks to today's cool gadgets, you actually CAN track your spawn super easily with this:
http://www.thetileapp.com/
Get one quickly, shit's gonna be in limited supply with the tens of thousands and thousands of pre orders stacking up. There's probably similar crap already out there on the market.
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On August 21 2013 10:06 Burrfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:21 QuanticHawk wrote:
A fair compromise: take a sharpie and write IF LOST RETURN TO BURFOOT (phonenumber) on his forehead I actually have a "MADE IN CHINA" shirt to match his "MADE IN MEXICO" shirt, I'm pretty racist.
when it comes time to tell him about the birds and the bees, can you do one of your mspaint diagrams to explain how it works???!?!
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Why don't you just get him a cell phone or a pager or something along those lines
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On August 21 2013 11:28 HolyExlxF wrote:
It still seems to me that most of the dissenters have this idea that the children being harnessed are harnessed everywhere they are taken, for any reason, for a long period, from ages 1-10 (okay now I'm exaggerating). But seriously, in my experience, both as a child who was so inhumanely harnessed and as an inside observer of many other families who practice this, the children are only harnessed if a) they've shown a penchant for wondering/running/exploring b) are about 3, no more than 4, years old and c) are being taken to very crowded venues such as malls or theme parks.
I was an awfully "independent" toddler. When my mother would take me to the mall, I loved to hide everywhere and explore nooks and crannies. My younger brother was WORSE than me, being the type to not only explore, but sprint to wherever he was going, regardless of traffic, human or vehicular. I, myself, had to rescue Nathan multiple times from certain doom. We each had harnesses; mine was blue and his was teal, and they had sweet teddy bears stitched into the front. And you know what? We loved those things. We didn't have to sit tied up in the stroller anymore when we went to the mall (which drove Nathan especially crazy). After our irresponsible phase (age 4, maybe a little later for Nathan) we ditched them. The other 2 children in my family, brother and sister, didn't need them after us because they weren't quite so free spirited about exploration. Anecdotal evidence, etc etc. My parents only used them at the mall or fairs or other very crowded places. Never a corner store or Wally World.
Nice anecdote; my mom always likes telling the story of how she came over from Hong Kong all by herself pregnant with my sister and pushing me in a stroller crying to be held, while my brother was tethered to her leg as he was running around like a banshee. I really don't remember that much from those years but all three of us have the baby forehead scars to show we all required stitches from running headfirst into something.
On August 21 2013 12:56 QuanticHawk wrote:
when it comes time to tell him about the birds and the bees, can you do one of your mspaint diagrams to explain how it works???!?!
I'm sure by then MSpaint will be touch-control only and in 3D holographic animated gifs.
On August 21 2013 21:40 Aveng3r wrote:
Why don't you just get him a cell phone or a pager or something along those lines
Good idea, cellphone attached to the kid's collar set to autorecieve so I can talk to the kidnappers!
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