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i posted in a thread and realized this didnt need to go into it. im just theory crafting, ive run a business before, i look after a family which i think both are far too similar . . kids running about having fun and spending my money!
we used to be a mini team at uni we had a student house (all payed 200 a month for rent each . .this would be less if you mortgaged a house) spent around 70 a fortnight on food and all cooked food for each other . . this again could be less cos we spnt 65 on beer ^^ /jk . . .but not really!) the bills were the matter of a £30 each every month. we already had all of the gear which i would expect a pro gamer to have or at least acquired over the years so. we even had a big lan in our living room, we got 12 computers in the house at one point and everyone slept there for a week . .so if the roster had to expand its doable
per month per person(the more in the team the lower this gets but im going off 5)
house mtgage = 500/5 = 100
food = 150/5 = 30 but you must plan this to eat well and regular
bills = 200/5 = 40 (way more)
subscriptions/utilities = 100/5 = 20
Wages(a regular job is around £150 a week but my feelings are you are expected to place in tournies to commit your life to this so this money will boost)
So for a team manager you are looking at expenses per month of
950 - general house costs + 5x150 =750 = 1700 per month(190 per person each if thats the model of your team) to run a successful team. I can cover this with extras with my current job. im assuming with sponsors this shouldnt a problem, hell i could be a sponsor looking at it??? im not sure what im missing here because we have literally done it when we were at university.
Why are all these teams falling? Please dont go all crazy there are a lot of assumptions im missing here and without personal experience in some of it im not going to theory craft . . .well maybe a little.
Of course people dont want to make 150 a week(would be why this model doesnt happen) but ill tell you as a normal human if you have somewhere to live which is nice and everything else is paid for you . . .what the fuck do you need any money for? id expect you to be doing job hours of practice and streaming. 150 a week spending money (disposable) for me . . i could go anywhere and do practically anything . .as i already do adn do it with 2 little ones and a goddamn wife! . . but im not a greedy bastard. ok.
Now if you decide to make them all get a part time job in a bar . .esports bar would be fucking cool or something related to gaming/computers . .the thing practically runs itself but of course this would be super part time and to get them away from the game and doping something else for at least a couple of hours a few times a week.
The only thing i can see which stops this from being a thing is the wage of 150 per week, but damn it they are playing games! We can see there is barely no money in it really as everywhere seems to be folding. If they place tournies and we get sponsors . . just what the fuck?
if i was to set up a team get 3 sponsors (my experience of this is limited but we got £400 per month 3x400 = 1200/5=80 ) this could be a bonus to the players every month or be put back into the team. if they place in a tournie i would expect 25% to go into the team and they keep the rest (of course low winning i would let them keep)
Ive looked at the cost of a 5 player team assuming they all qualify the travel and bode to las vegas would cost £3000 . . now i would expect the sponsors money to take care of this at least but as long as these events were every 4 months i could just about fund it. But again there are loads of ways to cover this cost.
ive generalised and overpriced a lot here but im going off the fact most of us on this site are not 10 yrs old and have a family. I know teams have up to 10 players on them but is there any real need for that?
if anyone happens to read this and is on a team or has run a team why wont this work as the facts are we were a 4 man team while being at uni, lived well were pretty good all had jobs with full time study, we entered and placed loads of community tournies, travelled to events . . . just please what changes when you are a pro team cos i think you are all doing it wrong and want to look like you are all living like millionaires.
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Okay, here's some stuff then.
You want to find a 5 bedroom house with a mortgage of £500/month. Good luck.
Also, remember there will be 10-20% deposit required (so tens of thousands of pounds). Also good luck again on getting a mortgage when you can't show that you have a living wage.
What you have set up implies that you already know each other and are willing to make concessions to set this up.
Things like
- No contracts
- No expenses
- etc
I would like to see where you're finding a return flight to Las Vegas PLUS HOTELS for £600 each. Look for one 4 weeks from now. That's usually the maximum notice you'll be getting. Also remember that you'll need to do this 5-10 times per year.
On top of that you'll need taxis while you're there, food, drinks, etc.
You're welcome to try this out. I would recommend:
- Find a place you all can rent, it will bypass the need for a deposit
- All move in there, set up your bills, get your kit, etc
- Start competing in online tournaments and get qualifying/paying to go to the ESET UK Masters tournaments.
- Try to qualify for some of the bigger online tournaments
Remember, you're going to be pro-gamers now. You won't have time for any supplementary income. This will be your life.
If you're doing this with other jobs on the side you're not doing it properly.
If you can do this, good for you.
TL;DR - You've made concessions with yourselves over quality of life. Also, you're smoking some pretty impressive stuff to get the numbers you did. I'm assuming your undergraduate wasn't mathematics.
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my 3 story house with 3 bedrooms (one on suite) and 3 other rooms(+ a load of other layout space which can be converted) which 1 will be the main gaming room, pthers can be social or indeed other bedrooms but i cant see why the house im in they cant bunk 2 in each room, a divider could be used and theres ample space to sleeps and study if need be..... is less than 500 pound a month . . you are said 10yrs old and dont own an actual home or live is some way more expensive place than you need to be. I take 3 holidays a year spend 3000 a time . . for a week + . . i actually do it but its the internet you have no need to believe me but hey ho
the numbers came 20 mins before posting from my bank acount statement and rounded up to the nearest 10 and added some more to get a good figure . . . im not sure what you have been smoking but if you didnt you may have loads of cash?
i paid $100 dollars for 2 of us stay in a bedsit, nothing special just somewhere to sleep for 2 nights . .erm i just dont think 75% of this site are older than 16 OR have ever left their home towns without parents and didnt have to pay. My friend re constructs roads all over england and wales and can stay for £50, 3 nights . . . . . america is not that expensive as this country food is near 60% cheaper. Not sure what im not understanding, everying ive done above is actual experience and and ive added more on to it?
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£50 3 nights and you're looking at a shithole. A complete and utter shithole.
£500 mortgaged house the same thing, tiny rooms, people bunking with eachother will just cause friction, unease and wont be very nice for whoever is living there.
There is a big difference between living in luxury like some teams do and living in shit like you're suggesting they do.
Theres a definite middle ground, but yours isnt it.
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On August 12 2013 21:44 StatixEx wrote:
my 3 story house with 3 bedrooms (one on suite) and 3 other rooms(+ a load of other layout space which can be converted) which 1 will be the main gaming room, pthers can be social or indeed other bedrooms but i cant see why the house im in they cant bunk 2 in each room, a divider could be used and theres ample space to sleeps and study if need be..... is less than 500 pound a month . .
Where do you live? In the USA (500 pounds is ~$775), at least in or near cities, you cannot get anything close to a 3 BR place for $775/month.
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I'm not sure how well you know this stuff in North America. Where I live, a single bedroom is $500/month in a house of 6 people. Rental cost is just under $3000/month + utilities for a 6 bedroom house. Major cities in the US will be at least 2/3 of that. Food? I go through ~$200 worth of food every month and I'm only 5'10", 165lbs and fairly active. Expect a $700-1000/month food budget.
How do you plan on getting sponsors? You need top players with results right? They're not free - they want event attendance + salary.
Who am I? Just the guy that created Clarity Gaming. I don't pay the bills for that team but I have an idea what goes into it.
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thats the point i dont know america., im asking simple blunt out there questions trying to find out why teams are shutting down and where the main costs are.
Everything seems to be cost in this game with very very little in terms of revenue . . now unless ur into english football, the Chelsea manager makes millions of pounds of loss to run the team, it doesnt matter cos hes a billionaire. the club loses money BUT he doesnt as his other ventures are picking up this tab. eSports isnt like this and im never going to know how much a sponsor will pay.
On a fundamental and very basic level (which some of you arent reading between the lines here and just bashing like you do best) i could house 5 players, feed them, set up a gaming room similar to that ministry of win thing destiny was at and pay for the general living. Of course the problems are with paying the players but if your a team just hiring mid jobbers and never place anywhere i would shut down after a couple of seasons anyway (unless as a business you are putting out content and generating revenue to cover the costs and make profits somehow, then of course youd keep it going).
Im just curious as the idea of running a team with a game house seems reasonable im 100% confident i could have a gaming house where i am right now and pay for living . . so, meh just some ramblings i started whilst on a hangover but i think a lot of these teams are spending a lot of money and we hear everyday people arent getting paid when they win . . .just what is happeing tell me
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On August 12 2013 23:20 JDub wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:44 StatixEx wrote:
my 3 story house with 3 bedrooms (one on suite) and 3 other rooms(+ a load of other layout space which can be converted) which 1 will be the main gaming room, pthers can be social or indeed other bedrooms but i cant see why the house im in they cant bunk 2 in each room, a divider could be used and theres ample space to sleeps and study if need be..... is less than 500 pound a month . . Where do you live? In the USA (500 pounds is ~$775), at least in or near cities, you cannot get anything close to a 3 BR place for $775/month.
The more pertnent question is where do you live? New York/LA/San Francisco areas are gonna be way more expensive. I live in Missouri and pay 400 bucks a month for a 4 bedroom house(granted we have a crawl space and no basement but got a kick ass storage shed in the back that came with it.) But we also were on a HUD contract until just last April, so I flat out own my house now.
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I have no idea what the prices are like in the UK but the budget you have set up is completely unrealistic for the US. I would say you need to at least double it (most likely triple it). Unless you're willing to live in the worst parts of a city there is no way you're getting a house/appartment/condo that can fit 5 people for less then $2,000 (£1,300). If you live out in the boonies internet becomes a huge problem. Your food budget is correct if you meant weekly not monthly. Bills and utilities are probably right. Now the most important thing you're forgetting is unlike the UK we do not have a national health system. So while there are some kids who may be willing to go without health insurance (or maybe stay they will be able to stay on their parents health plan) you need to add another $300-500 a month (yes right now the health insurance is optional in a year it won't be). So we're now looking at $5,000-$6,000 a month for a team of 5 people. If you have that much money lying around you're a lucky man. And that's just paying them to live. If you expect them to travel etc.. those costs will run up as well. And of course the main question is what is the return on investment. What would be the point of getting 5 random GMs and paying them to play games for 60-70 hours a week. What would anybody get out of it? If you want sponsors to actually be interested you need to get well known names. Well known names aren't cheap (and certainly won't live in a crappy house for $250 a month) so there goes your "modest" budget of $6,000. I hope that answers the question of why there aren't professional teams all over the place.
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now im getting the info i need, and i do agree i really did look at the costs i go through or went through and i do think realisitically, 5 grown lads 19 - 30 would rack up much more costs and that. Cool thanks for all that just needd to know if i carry on with my career and land the top job funding this shit wouldnt be a problem as i could at a scrape do it now
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On August 13 2013 02:06 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 23:20 JDub wrote:On August 12 2013 21:44 StatixEx wrote:
my 3 story house with 3 bedrooms (one on suite) and 3 other rooms(+ a load of other layout space which can be converted) which 1 will be the main gaming room, pthers can be social or indeed other bedrooms but i cant see why the house im in they cant bunk 2 in each room, a divider could be used and theres ample space to sleeps and study if need be..... is less than 500 pound a month . . Where do you live? In the USA (500 pounds is ~$775), at least in or near cities, you cannot get anything close to a 3 BR place for $775/month. The more pertnent question is where do you live? New York/LA/San Francisco areas are gonna be way more expensive. I live in Missouri and pay 400 bucks a month for a 4 bedroom house(granted we have a crawl space and no basement but got a kick ass storage shed in the back that came with it.) But we also were on a HUD contract until just last April, so I flat out own my house now.
This is why I said "in or near cities". $400/month for a 4 bedroom house is nothing. $400 a month couldn't get you a crawl space to live in in NYC. Are you in the middle of nowhere Missouri?
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On August 12 2013 23:20 JDub wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:44 StatixEx wrote:
my 3 story house with 3 bedrooms (one on suite) and 3 other rooms(+ a load of other layout space which can be converted) which 1 will be the main gaming room, pthers can be social or indeed other bedrooms but i cant see why the house im in they cant bunk 2 in each room, a divider could be used and theres ample space to sleeps and study if need be..... is less than 500 pound a month . . Where do you live? In the USA (500 pounds is ~$775), at least in or near cities, you cannot get anything close to a 3 BR place for $775/month.
What if everyone slept in one room and took turns using one bathroom and there was a furnace that looks like it was built in the late 1800s? I think we could swing 775 bucks per month if it was in tha hood. The constant threat of gang violence would definitely help out with the living costs, and therefore, gangsters would be saving eSports.
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