EPTCan we PLEASE get a useful fucking Hydralisk yet? - Page 2
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Zuxo
Sweden395 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 31 2013 21:04 BisuDagger wrote: Why fix the hydralisk when Blizzard could easily patch in the HydraRoach? Blizz need to get their shit together and put it in. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Remove speed upgrade and make it a flat speed increase all the time, then add in an Armor upgrade instead to make them abit stronger. So they can make take a group of stalkers on and convincingly win but still get wtf owned by Colli. You don't want them to buff them so much that they rape colli, but you want them to be able to beat the majority of gateway units (minus archons (and also this is in straight fights with 0 upgrades)) and then vs T you just want them to stand up to MMM a bit longer, and not be raped because of Medivac xD Just my opinion no rage  | ||
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thezanursic
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On July 31 2013 22:45 Targe wrote: Blizz need to get their shit together and put it in. That would be Baller. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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DenTenker
United States606 Posts
On July 31 2013 21:04 BisuDagger wrote: Why fix the hydralisk when Blizzard could easily patch in the HydraRoach? This would be the only unit I would ever make. Make it happen Blizz. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On July 31 2013 23:57 HeeroFX wrote: Hydras really seem like support units and they do a good job behind roaches See... This is exactly the type of thinking that gets me in trouble. I think this thought in my head while sitting on a solid 2 base vs 2 base against Protoss, I secure my third while he turtles up and goes for DTs. His DTs do shit for damage, so he turns them in to archons and goes for an all-in instead. When he hits, I have a nice roach/hydra army and I get my shit shoved in. Wondering how I possibly lost, I go watch the replay, and come to realize its the fact that I included hydras that cost me the game. 100/100 (and a drone) for the den, 150/150 for range, and an extra 25/25 for every hydra that could have been a roach. Had I just stuck with roaches, I could have 1/1 and a shitload more roaches during that fight, it is just clearly the better option in every way. I would like to say hydras being bad isn't the problem, just that roaches are better, but it IS the problem. Hydra's are fucking worthless. Roaches aren't an end-all-be-all in ZvP, they are a solid stepping stone to help you get through the early-mid phases of the game, but once you're past them, there is no other standard ground unit to add to your army or transition to as roaches lose their punch, you have to transition to mutas, or swarm hosts, maybe ultras if you're brave, and this is precisely where the hydra fails. Adding them to an army is one of the worst things you can do for yourself before you get on 3-4 bases, and even then, they're a generally lack-luster option. And that's just one MU, they're absolutely atrocious in ZvT and, while ZvZ is their best MU, it's still usually better to go any other T2 route than hydras because, well, they fucking suck. I don't care what they do with the hydra, but a single target, 80hp unit for 100/50/2 that requires 400/400 dumped in unit-specific tech to even make it viable is a fucking joke. This unit is terrible. Give it more range, lower the cost, reduce the amount of unit-specific tech needed to get it working, buff the HP, I don't give a shit, but for the love of god, do SOMETHING. edit: auto-correct is a bitch | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
And yes, less tech heavy more unit heavy will be better to hold off an all in. Doesn't matter if it's hydra or infestor or broodlord. If you tech too fast you die to all ins. max roach, not so good. max roach-hydra? bit better. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I hate it when Protoss go for alpine And yes, less tech heavy more unit heavy will be better to hold off an all in. Doesn't matter if it's hydra or infestor or broodlord. If you tech too fast you die to all ins. max roach, not so good. max roach-hydra? bit better. auto-corrects were fixed sir. And while I agree with you, I think your "bit better" may be overstating the usefulness of the unit. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
I think this thought in my head while sitting on a solid 2 base vs 2 base against Protoss, I secure my third while he turtles up and goes for DTs. His DTs do shit for damage, so he turns them in to archons and goes for an all-in instead. When he hits, I have a nice roach/hydra army and I get my shit shoved in. You know that hydras and roaches don't have to hug the archons right? | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On August 01 2013 02:29 Erik.TheRed wrote: Are you sure you have your account set to Heart of the Swarm? Yes, and that's the problem. I am told that Hydras are better in HotS, but all I see is them running to their deaths faster than ever before. They're still too expensive for what they do. They're still a dead-end tech. They're still a fools lure. And sadly, they seem to be more necessary than ever before. In ZvP, a few Protoss compositions demand that Zerg use Hydralisks to compete, but they're just so bad, I am amazed any time I watch a pro actually pull off something using them. I don't know what should be done with the hydralisk, I leave those decisions up to Blizzard because they don't really give a crap what I think about the unit anyway, but right now, I think I have somehow come to hate it even more than I did in WoL, and that's saying a lot. | ||
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sweetbabyjesus
Denmark168 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On August 01 2013 03:09 sweetbabyjesus wrote: Actually, I think the thought was for them to run away from their deaths faster. Or better yet not die at all. Although the "hit and run" role that Blizzard has suggested is pretty batshit, they are way too expensive for that. I agree with everything in that sentiment. It seems like rather than try to fix the unit itself, Blizzard tried to give Zerg the ability to retreat when they have Hydras in their army. Considering this was one of the huge problems with the unit throughout WOL, it wasn't a bad thing to target. Unfortunately, the unit still sucks in the whole cost-effective department, so if you're losing ANY hydralisks at all, you had better be killing your opponents whole army and attacking before he can rebuild, because you can't afford to trade hydras for ANYTHING. Nothing short of winning the game outright is worth losing hydras over, they're just too damn expensive. | ||
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Gofarman
Canada648 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On July 31 2013 15:10 Jermstuddog wrote: The Hydra is a fucking terrible unit, fucking fix it. I'll get right on that. Sorry I didn't do this sooner, but I'm a pretty big procrastinator. :p | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
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