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Women in eSports - A Sober View of Both Sides

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TaraBabcock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States391 Posts
July 28 2013 11:03 GMT
#1
Hey Guys!

I just wanted to share with you the video I created on Women in eSports. Khaldor gave me the idea, and I think I have a pretty fresh and different perspective of understanding for both sides.

I broke the video down to 6 parts, and an ending to shout out to some of the women who make eSports great!

Part 1: A Woman's Experience

Part 2: The Community's Point of View

Part 3: Society and Sexuality Stigma

Part 4: Why Women Get More Attention

Part 5: Women Joining Pro Teams/Companies

Part 6: Suggestions and Hopes for the Community

I hope you guys enjoy this and get something out of it. It's one of my first completely serious videos, but the ending isn't without some Zerg puns.

Khaldor's Reddit post:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1j7h2n/women_in_esports_view_of_both_sides_by_tara/



Thank you!
Tara

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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 12:27:44
July 28 2013 12:12 GMT
#2
Me thinks Khaldor want in ur pants... Men only do the "women perspective thing" when they want to get layed.. haha

As i see it, the more women the better! Its wierd that there only is 1 girl performing really well in sc2 esports and the rest are guys... That not a good and balanced representation.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 28 2013 13:00 GMT
#3
Judging by the comments on reddit, this is generating some controversy. Also, lol at destiny saying, "no comment" XD.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
July 28 2013 13:24 GMT
#4
Haha, the Destiny reply was quite funny yeah.

To be honest, I've gotta look at this and agree on most points. Some very good points were raised that we as a community SHOULD improve but will be very hard to actually get done at any point in the near future. Because as you said, we're a 'tight-knit' community. We'll need a bigger community for stuff like this to go more smoothy and acceptable in general.
I feel whenever I watch a girl's stream, they're either incredibly unskilled & looking for attention really badly (Because why would you stream at a low level if you have nothing else to add..?) or genuinly interested in the scene. Then again, those people mostly don't stream. I guess it's to do with the fact that I've been brought up the way that people who invest so much in their looks & attention, mostly don't have the best intentions. Even though this is not necessarily always true. It's really about consistency, staying in the scene, and slowly, little by little you'll gain enough respect.Just like Megumixbear, I think she was pretty unpopular at the start, but gained respect over time (atleast by me.)


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RHWY
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Ireland43 Posts
July 28 2013 13:46 GMT
#5
Usually people fall into the super professional persona or latch onto something that they know resonates with the 'fans' (sometimes that means putting on a fake front) but in terms of exposure they need to do this to stay relevant.

Like male casters, reporters, players if women show an aptitude for their job then they should be rewarded. Its a male dominated field, eSports, pretty much the same as mainstream sports and its shows as there are less women in 'higher' positions in basketball, soccer etc. Maybe its a case of the main audience being familiar and comfortable with male figureheads, maybe the industry is archaic in its outlook or maybe there is not a big enough sample size of women entering the 'scene' to facilitate growth. Personally a tournament does not change regardless of the male/female ratio working on the event.

Nice video, its difficult to dismiss it on a whim seeing as you clearly put work into it and enjoy esports so much.
@es_performance @LiquidTLO @LiquidRet
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3822 Posts
July 28 2013 13:54 GMT
#6
On July 28 2013 21:12 govie wrote:
Me thinks Khaldor want in ur pants... Men only do the "women perspective thing" when they want to get layed.. haha

As i see it, the more women the better! Its wierd that there only is 1 girl performing really well in sc2 esports and the rest are guys... That not a good and balanced representation.

How is that weird?
No woman have shown the dedication/skill to perform at any decent level except for Scarlett.
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Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
July 28 2013 15:09 GMT
#7
Nice t.......hick Samsung Khan jacket
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 28 2013 15:15 GMT
#8
People who get more attention than they deserve from their results get negative reactions. This applies to the majority of women due to their scarcity, but also to male community figures to some extent (eg: destiny, incontrol have gotten flak for not performing well despite being major figures).

Women will have more position in the scene when they earn in the same way any man does. I have immense respect for Scarlett because I learned about her by hearing she was winning games and beating Koreans, rather than part of some 'omg girl joined X team' announcement. Similarly, January of Khan got shit done and can't be disregarded for her achievements.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 28 2013 17:39 GMT
#9
Good video, a balanced opinion which is rare. Loved the cheesy jokes.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
July 28 2013 18:08 GMT
#10
Thank you Tara.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
July 28 2013 18:35 GMT
#11
a lot of good points in the vid, cool post

my two cents, but I agree about the jump editing. It is a bit distracting!
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 28 2013 18:39 GMT
#12
twitter is fucking blowing up right now O.o, the female revolution has begun.
User was warned for too many mimes.
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
July 28 2013 20:21 GMT
#13
You got my respect for that Tara. I personally encountered your work from the "dark" site of the internet aswell, while most people would probably hold that against you, for me that gives you instant credibility. If you were in it for the money, there would be more to grab, faster.
I really enjoyed the video, especially because it was more serious, yet your lightheartedness keeps it entertaining. I hope to see that side more often from you! Keep up the good work girl.
reikai
Profile Joined January 2011
United States359 Posts
July 28 2013 22:10 GMT
#14
I think the Part:3 of this video goes into all aspects of (American?) life, not just gaming. Being sexual on either side is looked down on as crazy/bad/not right.

This needs to be changed! I think this kind of discrimination is stronger than anti-race or anti-... anything else kind of prejudice.

:D goooo Tara :D
Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce. :T:
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
July 28 2013 22:57 GMT
#15
Looks aside, you seem like a genuinely happy and positive person. That's a really rare quality, and makes me root for your success. TotalBiscuit made some good comments on reddit. I agree that you seem very stiff on camera and talk far too fast. Hope you continue refining camera presence and editing.

Personally I don't agree with the "I'm only expressing my sexuality and deserve no criticism for it". I do think there are lines to cross where it becomes intrusive and disrespectful to others, and it is unfair to the girls who recognize those lines to insist that there are or should be none. It's a tough issue though and hard to pin down.

Anyway, I enjoy your presence in the community. Good luck.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 01:35:08
July 29 2013 01:33 GMT
#16
Just watched your vlog, and although I've never seen your stream before it seems like you've got a down to earth and reasonable argument here. I think it's only a matter of time until things start to settle down and we see more women being treated respectfully and less as a novelty in the community. Like you said in the video, good looks alone probably won't sustain long-term twitch viewership and anyone who is trying to capitalize on that is either going to have to adapt and create quality content or run the other way.

That being said, there will probably always be obnoxious trolls getting in the way of progress (as there are for most things in life) so the sooner we can collectively ignore and shut down those voices the better. I remember hearing about Maddelisk once getting bombarded with requests to turn on her webcam only to respond by pointing the camera directly at her feet. I'd imagine that the trolls probably turned off her stream pretty quickly after that.
"See you space cowboy"
TheUnderking
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada202 Posts
July 29 2013 01:43 GMT
#17
This is a spectacular vid. I agree with all the arguments except I feel like the haters/trolls will not go away anytime soon.
THE PACT IS SEALED!
TaraBabcock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States391 Posts
July 29 2013 03:34 GMT
#18
Thanks so much for watching and replying, guys! I really appreciate all of the feedback and the support, as well as the criticism! I definitely respect everyone's opinions and will take them into consideration.

I hope just a couple people who were a bit in the dark about the situation and how to handle it now understand the other side, and maybe even the side of the community, a little better!

You guys rock, never stop!
Supermodel Nerd Stream! twitch.tv/tarababcock
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 04:02:40
July 29 2013 03:56 GMT
#19
I just looked at Tara's reddit profile and it's honestly crazy how many downvotes all of her posts are getting when they are all reasonable. WTF. This community really disappoints me. I have a couple friends who are girls and play dota here at my school, I've played with them (sometimes they use voicechat) and it's insane how much shit they get for absolutely nothing.

This is not an issue with trolls, on a lot of levels it's straight up bigotry. It doesn't stop at the attitudes against women, (though it's probably one of the worst problems) but homophobia, xenophobia and just plain racism are also huge problems. Until all the big and influential members of the community actually step up and consistently dissuade this type of behavior the community is not going to see any serious change I don't think. It comes down even to simple things like language use. Half of the things people say online they would never consider saying in person, simply because they are insulated from the consequences of such actions through the relative anonymity of the Internet.

e: as a good (read: disgusting) example of this, read any of the top comments on this video on youtube. Youtube comments are generally shit, but in this case we know that the people commenting on the video almost certainly play Starcraft.
TaraBabcock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States391 Posts
July 29 2013 05:27 GMT
#20
On July 29 2013 12:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
I just looked at Tara's reddit profile and it's honestly crazy how many downvotes all of her posts are getting when they are all reasonable. WTF. This community really disappoints me. I have a couple friends who are girls and play dota here at my school, I've played with them (sometimes they use voicechat) and it's insane how much shit they get for absolutely nothing.

This is not an issue with trolls, on a lot of levels it's straight up bigotry. It doesn't stop at the attitudes against women, (though it's probably one of the worst problems) but homophobia, xenophobia and just plain racism are also huge problems. Until all the big and influential members of the community actually step up and consistently dissuade this type of behavior the community is not going to see any serious change I don't think. It comes down even to simple things like language use. Half of the things people say online they would never consider saying in person, simply because they are insulated from the consequences of such actions through the relative anonymity of the Internet.

e: as a good (read: disgusting) example of this, read any of the top comments on this video on youtube. Youtube comments are generally shit, but in this case we know that the people commenting on the video almost certainly play Starcraft.


Yeah the comments were like 100% positive on the video until it hit Reddit. IMO, Reddit is terrible when it comes to downright unexplained hatred, especially toward the content I post or produce. TL is more mixed, and of course my own subs are more supportive.

Most of the people posting negatively either did not listen to the video at all, or just decided to disregard anything I say and continue to be the examples of things I talked about in the video. Hahah. -.-'
Supermodel Nerd Stream! twitch.tv/tarababcock
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