I'm glad to hear that you guys had fun. I'm always worried that teams I like are no longer having fun at the game, and it's a happy thing to read otherwise. I'm sure it's good for team morale/cohesion.

Noxie

United States2227 Posts

May 25 2013 22:44 GMT

#24

Great games Korok, Very exciting.. bounce back from those hard losses.. I think some of the opponents could have been wins if you were playing best of 3's as well.

icystorage

Jollibee19350 Posts

May 25 2013 22:57 GMT

#25

Thanks for the insights!

Still no explanation what happened on that rosh scene?

SuperCarl

Sweden36 Posts

May 25 2013 23:00 GMT

#26

Nice to see the blogs from TL's dota team. You're living up to the excellent TeamLiquid standards regarding community interaction.

I'm sure that it's just a healthy dose of confidence but I must say I view your statements that you could beat Alliance, DK and Orange with just more training as, what you yourself said, arrogant. Dude... All of you at this level have the talent to succeed, what seperates the winners from the rest is the dedication and training.
Buuut then again Im a swede and rooting for Alliance so maybe the statement just rubbed me the wrong way.

Also it sounds as if Valves rule about roster changes is all that is keeping iG from replacing 430. It doesn't sound like a recipe for success.

mizU

United States12125 Posts

May 25 2013 23:01 GMT

#27

Thanks for the write up korok :D

megacrack

Australia171 Posts

May 25 2013 23:03 GMT

#28

good read korok.. i didnt know u did these blogs.. hope to see ur blogs more often

a-game

Canada5214 Posts

May 25 2013 23:06 GMT

#29

Enjoyed very much, thanks for sharing

LuckyFool

United States9015 Posts

May 25 2013 23:20 GMT

#30

Aw yeah Steven blogging on TL.

Good luck at Dreamhack.

Netherlands12045 Posts

May 25 2013 23:20 GMT

#31

FW pic or gtfo

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

May 25 2013 23:39 GMT

#32

Teamliquid and Chinese teams: I believe we were our own worst enemy this tournament. The performances of yesterday/today do not accurately display our potential. For example, and I’m sure this is obvious by the results, Wisp+CK was our only strategy that we were confident in. In these online tournaments we either played a back and forth game with different unpracticed strategies, or we picked naix and destroyed most teams. Personally, I felt that I had a lot of holes in my gameplay and I have to attribute it to both bad plays (which I believe can be fixed) and to a certain degree—nerves. Although, I don’t think nerves affected me as much as others. We had no naix games this tournament. For our first LAN together, I don’t think it went as bad as it could’ve. There are huge internal issues within iG, and minor ones within the other teams.

Overall, to be improved are: Strategy vision, game planning, and drafting.

Also you have to play against higher caliber teams to improve. The team isn't going to get to the next level playing against the average EU/NA team.

On May 26 2013 08:20 NB wrote:
FW pic or gtfo

Sparvy

785 Posts

May 25 2013 23:47 GMT

#33

On May 26 2013 08:39 TanGeng wrote:

Also you have to play against higher caliber teams to improve. The team isn't going to get to the next level playing against the average EU/NA team.

Maybe true but it does beg the question, how did Alliance get so good playing average EU/NA teams?

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

May 25 2013 23:53 GMT

#34

The experience alone that you got was invaluable, I am proud of you guys even though you went 1-4. There are lots of holes and mistakes but this experience will teach you a lot about it. You can't play heroes against this caliber of teams, you have to play lineups. Every mistake is punished, every move is calculated, that is the beauty of Dota and with this under your belt I hope that we can see better strategic vision and improvement.

Dreamhack Summer is the tournament that I am looking forward to.

On May 26 2013 08:47 Sparvy wrote:

Show nested quote +

Maybe true but it does beg the question, how did Alliance get so good playing average EU/NA teams?

The average skill in EU/NA is a lot worse then Asia, Alliance is the exception, not the rule. At the top of average teams can stand a great one. But in 3 months from now, will the environment of Europe/NA or Asia be more resourcefull for practice, I would argue the latter.

lessQQmorePEWPEW

Jamaica921 Posts

May 25 2013 23:58 GMT

#35

Besides that game with LGD, I thought TL did pretty decent for their first outing. It goes to show that you cannot depend on a couple hero strats to get you across the line. I'm very sure TL will work hard in making sure they are more versatile.

I thought that this was one of the strengths of the alliance. The chinese teams could not specifically ban out heroes in order to shut them down. Loda's carry play was exceptional in the sense that he made it work. Each time he picked a different carry, the team worked around that.

TI3 is going to be epic with teams bootcamping heavy, they are sure to iron out all their shortcomings. Can't wait!

GL TL. You guys did pretty good and dat stomp on iG was epic. More out of the blue carries for the win next time!

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

May 26 2013 00:04 GMT

#36

On May 26 2013 08:53 Kipsate wrote:
The average skill in EU/NA is a lot worse then Asia, Alliance is the exception, not the rule. At the top of average teams can stand a great one. But in 3 months from now, will the environment of Europe/NA or Asia be more resourcefull for practice, I would argue the latter.

I would agree with Kipsate. In my opinion, the failure wasn't really on an individual level but at a team level. So Korok shouldn't be lay the blame completely himself even when he is the one that is directly making the mistakes. The more glaring mistakes are on a strategic level.

As for practicing with EU/NA teams, either you have to always play the best or spot lesser teams with a handicap so that you can pretend that you are playing the best.

innociv

United States346 Posts

May 26 2013 00:26 GMT

#37

Seems like you all choked a lot and weren't confident.

Practice and GL next time.

Carbonyl

United States334 Posts

May 26 2013 00:33 GMT

#38

On May 26 2013 09:26 innociv wrote:
Seems like you all choked a lot and weren't confident.

Practice and GL next time.

Did you even read the blog?

Dracolich70

Denmark3820 Posts

May 26 2013 00:58 GMT

#39

Well thought piece, Korok, and I agree with most of it. I think you need to prove you can beat [A] though, even though one should always believe they can beat someone. Keep letting them get Chen against you, seems weird though. Is that what you have learned? Fantastic how you elevated yourselves against iG, even though, you couldn't have had the best of confidence at that point, while iG were fresh off a clear win. That shows promise of mental fortitude, much needed, perhaps guided by less pressure. I think you can learn a bit looking at [A] in their fantastic team play.

Sorry, if i come off as negative.

TMG26

Portugal2017 Posts

May 26 2013 01:01 GMT

#40

Sparvy wrote:

Show nested quote +

Maybe true but it does beg the question, how did Alliance get so good playing average EU/NA teams?

Loda. 5 swedish. Infinite Lan expirence on Akke and Loda. Balls and imagination in strats, and skills to back it up. You Don't knmow what to expect when facing alliance, and LAN does not scare them. Being a top or weak team won't take that away from you, and they have been playing lots of games against the top EU