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Best way to swap race? Going T

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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 22 2013 17:34 GMT
#1
So i've just about fucking had it with protoss, played it since BW but something has got to give. Note i am not shouting imbalance more as i am shouting bullshit. PvZ is just an atrocity, pick the wrong tech and you just die. Scout a zerg infinity of times but miss a small proxy spire somewhere on the map? Lol tough luck enojoy your loss.

Multiple drops vs a terran is also fun since AB is the biggest bullshit since infestors. Bait the drop into my base? NP AB to his fucking natural and get dmg done since a) SMall warpins are trash since gateway units are trash and b) P units are slow as fuck. And Blizzard hasn't done much about the "get massive tech units or die" since WoL so, time to switch it up a bit and see what i like because i can´t stand turtling and get tech anymore, i want to do some goddamn damage to someone.

/endrant

So how would most people go about a swap? The playstyles are the exact opposite for a T as they are for a P. Best thread for openings? Good streams? Anyone doing helpfull commentary/vods on their stream which i can check out?

Appreciate any help and links!

*
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
April 22 2013 18:26 GMT
#2
I would do this too, completing my transition in SC2 from Z -> P -> T, however I hate TvT way too much to go through with it (I know, I know. Apparently people absolutely love TvT... Just the right mix of a lottery and macro bore-fest.)

Good luck.
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
AKnopf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany259 Posts
April 22 2013 18:52 GMT
#3
1) Dont play when you are angry. Ever.
2) When you never played Terran, its more important to get a feeling to the new playstyle instead of knowing exactly all the openings and timings. Just play a lot of games.
3) Dont let your ego steal all the fun. You will lose a lot. You will lose against players that are so much worse than you. Better have fun losing.
4) Look at your base a lot. This helped me immensly with my Terran macro. In the streams you see all the fancy micro shenanigans that I cant even do as a master player.
5) Dont be surprised its not as green as you thought beyond the fence. I know exactly the feeling when those Terrans dropped into my main and killed two forges right before 2/2 finnishes. It looks so easy. It looks so stupid. It is not. It is actually harder than it looks. Thats a feeling I still have today when I'm copying builds. Its always harder than it looks.

About my person:
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I didn't switch exactly to Terran, but I switched from Protoss to Random. After two seasons of diamond I got back to master league with Random. After two or three seasons with Random, I finally feel like all my races are on a masters level. (Though not all matchups, still).
The world - its a funny place
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 19:21:37
April 22 2013 19:21 GMT
#4
I did the opposite, T to P. This is what i did.

1) Pick 1 universal build thats a suitable, safe opener for all races

2) Teamgames, games games games, just practicing that one build / fucking around with mid-late game and learning the race.

3) Once comfortable switch to 1v1's doing the same build untill your consistent / show improvement / are about the same level you were before.

<During this, you learnt your races hotkeys, how games play out, common things like timings, how to adapt etc. because (if your me) you played 50+ team games learnin the hotkeys then 100+ of the same build learning the basics of TvX>

4) Pick an all-in thats viable (or a couple of them) vs all races and practice a little (so you can get the basic timings down, maybe 20-30 games or so)

4) Now pick 1 safe opener for each race and practice like 3)

5) By now you know 2 safe openers and an all-in for each race, a total of 3 builds for each race if not more, you know your hotkeys, timings and whatnot and have successfully "switched" - Good job :D It only took you like 200 games xD

(Ofc, you can learn a race alot quicker then 200 games, but i mean thoroughly learn it, its probably alot closer to 40-50 games when you get a good "grasp" of it, but do you really know as much as the race you played 500+ games on? :3 )
Useless wet fish.
woreyour
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
582 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 20:00:12
April 22 2013 19:59 GMT
#5
sorry, what is "AB" ?
I am so sexy.. I sometimes romance myself..
mmMacks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States38 Posts
April 22 2013 20:19 GMT
#6
^^after burners
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