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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
I thought you were switching to toss for hots! what happened?? glhf wherever you go | ||
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cmgillett
United States335 Posts
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
On March 18 2013 23:42 HardlyNever wrote: I think you should stay and prove the game is as easy as you constantly claim it is. You've never actually shown that you can be anything remotely close to a top-tier pro. If you don't enjoy it, though, then don't play it. Saying "this game is easy mode, but rather than win lots of money I'll just quit" just comes off as immature, and frankly, retarded. Agreed. Imagine how cocky Flash or Jaedong could be moving in sc2 right now. They could basically say what the fuck they like to make excuses for not winning everything but as far as I know they are practicing hard at improving at a new game and getting their heads down and Flash is already looking like he is going to be the boss he was in BW. Nothing wrong with not liking a game enough to play it passionately everyday, NaDa stepped out of sc2 for the reason that it was not quite the game for him. He did not make any rants (excuses really) about sc2 being too easy, he bowed out gracefully, respect. The like of Cloud and Idra just bring a lot of negativity really, although some people seem to like this... gl to you Cloud anyway. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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L0L
United States176 Posts
On March 18 2013 23:42 HardlyNever wrote: I think you should stay and prove the game is as easy as you constantly claim it is. You've never actually shown that you can be anything remotely close to a top-tier pro. If you don't enjoy it, though, then don't play it. Saying "this game is easy mode, but rather than win lots of money I'll just quit" just comes off as immature, and frankly, retarded. I don't think you understand what it means when a game is easy. It doesn't mean "oh, they you should win everytime". Look at rock paper scissors, one of the easiest games invented. It's really hard to have a winning record in rock paper scissors. The easier a game is the harder it is to win against lesser skilled opponents more often than not. That's why in easy games players have close to 50% win rate and hard games they can be near 100%. the truly skilled players shine. Cloud doesn't use this as an excuse though. He simply states that he lacked the passion to practice the way is necessary to be one of the top players. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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VampireLady
Netherlands283 Posts
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520
United States2822 Posts
 Good bye, cookie monster. You'll always be remembered.![[image loading]](http://cursors4.totallyfreecursors.com/thumbnails/cookie-monster.gif) | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On March 19 2013 00:51 L0L wrote: I don't think you understand what it means when a game is easy. It doesn't mean "oh, they you should win everytime". Look at rock paper scissors, one of the easiest games invented. It's really hard to have a winning record in rock paper scissors. The easier a game is the harder it is to win against lesser skilled opponents more often than not. That's why in easy games players have close to 50% win rate and hard games they can be near 100%. the truly skilled players shine. Cloud doesn't use this as an excuse though. He simply states that he lacked the passion to practice the way is necessary to be one of the top players. Thanks for parafrasing, but I just see some people are trying to find random excuses to hate. That's what you get for making bold statements in public, you end up being incredibly polarizing. But I have to say all these butthurt reactions made it completely fun and worthy :D | ||
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cYaN
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Stoffelhase
Germany162 Posts
On March 19 2013 00:51 L0L wrote: I don't think you understand what it means when a game is easy. It doesn't mean "oh, they you should win everytime". Look at rock paper scissors, one of the easiest games invented. It's really hard to have a winning record in rock paper scissors. The easier a game is the harder it is to win against lesser skilled opponents more often than not. That's why in easy games players have close to 50% win rate and hard games they can be near 100%. the truly skilled players shine. Cloud doesn't use this as an excuse though. He simply states that he lacked the passion to practice the way is necessary to be one of the top players. i think cloud has (or would have) around 5-10% winrate vs Code S koreans.. Also koreans are dominating foreigner tournament, even when they are low in numbers.. what you are saying (sc2 is very random, doesnt let the better player win often enough) seems not to be true, does it? | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On March 19 2013 00:51 L0L wrote: I don't think you understand what it means when a game is easy. It doesn't mean "oh, they you should win everytime". Look at rock paper scissors, one of the easiest games invented. It's really hard to have a winning record in rock paper scissors. The easier a game is the harder it is to win against lesser skilled opponents more often than not. That's why in easy games players have close to 50% win rate and hard games they can be near 100%. the truly skilled players shine. Cloud doesn't use this as an excuse though. He simply states that he lacked the passion to practice the way is necessary to be one of the top players. SC2 is not rock-paper-scissors. There are pro-players that win fairly consistently, and can beat worse players regularly. Cloud was not one of them. Calling a game you are bad at easy just doesn't make a lot of sense and is just an excuse. You are only as good as you actually are. There is no "I could be this, or should be that." Whatever stops him from being a good player SC2 is a flaw that makes him not a good player SC2. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On March 19 2013 01:03 HardlyNever wrote: SC2 is not rock-paper-scissors. There are pro-players that win fairly consistently, and can beat worse players regularly. Cloud was not one of them. Calling a game you are bad at easy just doesn't make a lot of sense and is just an excuse. You are only as good as you actually are. There is no "I could be this, or should be that." Whatever stops him from being a good player SC2 is a flaw that makes him not a good player SC2. On March 19 2013 01:00 Stoffelhase wrote: i think cloud has (or would have) around 5-10% winrate vs Code S koreans.. Also koreans are dominating foreigner tournament, even when they are low in numbers.. what you are saying (sc2 is very random, doesnt let the better player win often enough) seems not to be true, does it? His point was not that he was better than all these players, he was suggesting that if he put the time in and worked all day every day with all his passion he would be able to compete. His reason for not practising was that he had no passion for the game. | ||
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BoggieMan
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I wish you the best ClouD! - a fan | ||
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thezanursic
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And you can always play BW (I am assuming that you still enjoy it)on your off time and play in the TLS, hahaha you'd probably rape face. | ||
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thezanursic
5490 Posts
On March 18 2013 23:42 HardlyNever wrote: I think you should stay and prove the game is as easy as you constantly claim it is. You've never actually shown that you can be anything remotely close to a top-tier pro. If you don't enjoy it, though, then don't play it. Saying "this game is easy mode, but rather than win lots of money I'll just quit" just comes off as immature, and frankly, retarded. You are talking to one of the best foreigners... /facepalm As he said he isn't enjoying the game and when you dislike a game that you are supposed to be the best and improve at it's kind of hard to do it... it would be nice if people actually read the blogs before posting... | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On March 19 2013 01:04 Targe wrote: His point was not that he was better than all these players, he was suggesting that if he put the time in and worked all day every day with all his passion he would be able to compete. His reason for not practising was that he had no passion for the game. Exactly, and that makes him a bad SC2 player. Not "having a passion" for something is a reason to be bad at something, but it doesn't make it less true. If you don't like fly-fishing you'll probably be bad at fly-fishing. There might be a reason you still go fly-fishing in spite of not liking it, and maybe you get good at it for whatever that reason is. Cloud doesn't like SC2, which makes him bad at SC2. Which is fine. The problem comes when you say "I could be amazing at this game I just don't like it." Well, no one cares what you could be. There might be a kid living in a 3rd world country that is a prodigy at the game but will never touch it because of his/her circumstances. No one cares about that kid, because they will never be good at SC2. He apparently had enough of a reason (money, etc. I don't know) to at least attempt to be a pro sc2 player. Judging strictly from his results, he wasn't too good at that. The reason behind it doesn't really matter. Claiming "I could have been this" is worthless, because you can't actually prove anything of the sort. It is just making an excuse. | ||
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Stoffelhase
Germany162 Posts
also i find it very sad that cloud is making fun of everyone who criticizes his opinion of being the most talented foreigner ("I know very well within myself I could stand above any non korean progamer if I put enough dedication into it"), it is like argueing with a kid.. he says something, you say something, he laughs about you for having a different opinion | ||
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Thez558
Italy25 Posts
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