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Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
January 20 2013 10:11 GMT
#161
On January 20 2013 16:23 Cortza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 18:46 zatic wrote:
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote:
- progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have;

This is so so true hahaha.

Always liking your blogs Cloudman, keep it up!


I thought MVP was a pretty modest and humble guy?

Mvp isn't really loved in the korean community. I can't remember where I saw that but it was someone like Khaldor or Wolf who said it.
It's good to be back
13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
January 20 2013 12:58 GMT
#162
On January 20 2013 17:49 RuskiPanda wrote:
Did this just get un-Spotlighted? lol.


looks like the mods no longer approved of the thread's contents
and my axe
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
January 20 2013 13:21 GMT
#163
On January 20 2013 21:58 13JackaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 17:49 RuskiPanda wrote:
Did this just get un-Spotlighted? lol.


looks like the mods no longer approved of the thread's contents

It ran is course, now it only thing it does is act like a magnet for upset TLO fans.

On January 20 2013 09:53 blade55555 wrote:
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On January 18 2013 20:21 aTnClouD wrote:
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.

Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?

Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)?
Because of your bw protoss background?
If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered.
http://aligulac.com/periods/
If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.

In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.

I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.


Wanted to correct your last statement. It was only the last 6 months (starting in may) that zerg dominance really began. Hasn't been a year but half that so far ^_^


Closer to three quarters of a year now, his point still stands. Also pre queen buff zergs was doing alright, not even close to as poorly as terran has been doing the last 8 months.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
January 20 2013 16:06 GMT
#164
Wow incredible, just reading the comments convinced me that honesty is frowned upon here...
Anyways really good read, i enjoyed it.
#adun giveafuck - - - "Did this guy just randomly finger me?" - Sayle
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 20 2013 17:19 GMT
#165
Really gay that this got un spotlighted. It was a great read. Keep making awesome blogs Cloud!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
January 20 2013 22:51 GMT
#166
Well TL mods probably didn't like the things that were said about TLO so they unspolighted a bit lame. Good blog man but I can't forgive you for what you did to that Chinese girl in the other blog
DarKFoRcE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1215 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 02:52:13
January 21 2013 02:50 GMT
#167
On January 20 2013 16:23 Cortza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 18:46 zatic wrote:
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote:
- progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have;

This is so so true hahaha.

Always liking your blogs Cloudman, keep it up!


I thought MVP was a pretty modest and humble guy?


Clouds statement is more of a general statement. While i have no clue how it is with MVP in specific, there are probably some exceptions.

I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.
Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/PinDarKFoRcE
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
January 21 2013 11:39 GMT
#168
If David Kim and Cloud worked together tvz would be balanced.
It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 21 2013 11:53 GMT
#169
On January 21 2013 20:39 BadBinky wrote:
If David Kim and Cloud worked together tvz would be balanced.

Pieces of great wisdom right there. Good boy.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
January 22 2013 07:18 GMT
#170
i wonder why they removed this blog from featured list.....very sad
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 13:55:47
January 22 2013 13:44 GMT
#171
On January 22 2013 16:18 MotherOfRunes wrote:
i wonder why they removed this blog from featured list.....very sad


Because he defamed TLO.

Not surprised at all, at least they didn't censor him.

EDIT: I wish he went the whole way and spilled what he's heard about TLO.
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
January 22 2013 22:01 GMT
#172
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote:
I actually have a lot more to say and I left out many things but I'm really tired. If I missed out something you want to know and you have any question or you want to know your favorite progamer or caster better through my perspective you can freely ask me in the comments of this thread. I will be more than happy to answer.


I know you already talked about the German pros in general, but I'd still like your view on Hasu.

Also more TLO (give me something that further justifies my dislike ), Naniwa, Stephano, Lucifron. And maybe a few casters? dApollo, Artosis, Khaldor?

Stamper
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany148 Posts
January 23 2013 00:49 GMT
#173
On January 21 2013 11:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 16:23 Cortza wrote:
On January 18 2013 18:46 zatic wrote:
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote:
- progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have;

This is so so true hahaha.

Always liking your blogs Cloudman, keep it up!


I thought MVP was a pretty modest and humble guy?


Clouds statement is more of a general statement. While i have no clue how it is with MVP in specific, there are probably some exceptions.

I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.

It's fine, really.
We're listening, tell us what you know.
Gulgarathz
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany12 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 11:26:01
January 24 2013 19:45 GMT
#174
Very sad that such a great blog gets unfeatured.

@ Cloud

It would be cool, if you could talk a little bit about a tournament expirience, how everything happens from your point of view, like a diary of a normally/specific turney
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 20:13:41
January 24 2013 20:12 GMT
#175
On January 21 2013 11:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.


Oh, I dunno... maybe because it causes drama and a negative environment for absolutely no reason.
Oh, also because it's completely unsubstantiated and therefore simple rumor-mongering.
Oh... lastly, it's unkind and dehumanizing to simply call someone a bad person / have no respect for then.

Sports, esports or otherwise, require a basic amount of sportsmanship.
Professional life, no matter the sphere, requires courtesy.

Go read TMZ.

edit: grammar
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
January 24 2013 21:29 GMT
#176
Ho boy, knew the drama would be unleashed once Cloud make that comment about TLO. AFAIK, the only reason ever given for Cloud's disrespect of TLO is that, in Cloud's opinion, TLO switches races to what Cloud views as the imba race at the time. Personally, I think this is unfair given TLO's previous record as random, which gives him greater plasticity in switching to a race that he deems optimal, and let's be real, players do what they do to win, most players would jump at the chance to switch to a stronger race if they could, but really don't because they're secretly afraid/know that they could be wrong in that race being stronger/might not have the adaptability to become as good with a new race.
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
Stamper
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany148 Posts
January 24 2013 21:32 GMT
#177
On January 25 2013 06:29 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Ho boy, knew the drama would be unleashed once Cloud make that comment about TLO. AFAIK, the only reason ever given for Cloud's disrespect of TLO is that, in Cloud's opinion, TLO switches races to what Cloud views as the imba race at the time. Personally, I think this is unfair given TLO's previous record as random, which gives him greater plasticity in switching to a race that he deems optimal, and let's be real, players do what they do to win, most players would jump at the chance to switch to a stronger race if they could, but really don't because they're secretly afraid/know that they could be wrong in that race being stronger/might not have the adaptability to become as good with a new race.


That doesn't make sense at all. Cloud will switch to Protoss in Heart of the Swarm, because he thinks he will be more successful playing Protoss. Why would he dislike TLO for the same reason?
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 25 2013 23:24 GMT
#178
On January 25 2013 05:12 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 11:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.


Oh, I dunno... maybe because it causes drama and a negative environment for absolutely no reason.
Oh, also because it's completely unsubstantiated and therefore simple rumor-mongering.
Oh... lastly, it's unkind and dehumanizing to simply call someone a bad person / have no respect for then.

Sports, esports or otherwise, require a basic amount of sportsmanship.
Professional life, no matter the sphere, requires courtesy.

Go read TMZ.

edit: grammar


did you ever stop and think that maybe you could have written this post without the obnoxious "Oh..." 's ?

Here, let me help you:

+ Show Spoiler +
Well, I believe it causes drama and a negative environment for no reason
The way he put it makes it seem completely unsubstantiated and therefore it's simple rumor-mongering.
Lastly, it's unkind and dehumanizing to simply call someone a bad person, or to say you have no respect for them

Sports, esports or otherwise, require a basic amount of sportsmanship.
Professional life, no matter the sphere, requires courtesy.


Tadaaaa, you got un-douchebag-ized. Yes, that's a word.
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