I've been doing some funny stuff here as of late. Last time I wrote here I was dying of laughter while typing and as a consequence I was asked several times to write another blog about my penis or some of my amazingly awkward girl fails. But today all I plan to do is share with you guys some of the life experiences and feelings I had during my life as a progamer and how much such an experience can change a man, his personality and his values.
I became a Starcraft 2 progamer right when the game came out in 2010. I was one of the very best foreign players in Starcraft: Brood War and when I first started the transition to Starcraft 2 was really fun. I loved the game at first and even though I played Protoss in SCBW I switched to Terran in SC2 because I thought it was by far the most challenging and fun to play. After doing well in online cups I was contacted by the professional team Meet Your Makers and once they proposed me and Naniwa to both move and live together in Germany to play the local tournament (ESL Pro Series) we both agreed instantly knowing that was the start of a new adventure. Since then we've played many tournaments together and had a lot of fun, even though he snores like a truck and I had an hard time going rested to any of them. After a while Naniwa got kicked out of EPS and had to leave Germany, and suddenly I was alone. It was going to be hard staying in a foreign country doing such an unstable and alienating job but I knew it could become one of my most important life experiences and I decided to keep going.
My stay in MYM had its up and downs. My results were ok but not great, I won a good amount of money overall under their flag but at the same time I didn't make any major international breakout. My mental condition was not the best at the time since I came from years of major depression (which I explained in this post) and I had a really hard time finding motivation to practice at all or appreciate the game. At the time the most successful players were very gimmickish and relied way too much on brainless all ins and I refused to play that way. I was way too stubborn for my own good and this made me learn afterwards that no matter how much you think you are right, at some point the right decision is just to adapt and go with the flow. I went to many tournaments in many different countries, and while my living conditions were far worse from what I had in Italy I was so happy to compete and meet my online friends. I had the chance to know for the first time some of the most interesting people I've ever met and whenever I lost in a tournament I could feel how much more I wanted from myself as a player. The fact that whenever I won something I was so incredibly happy and whenever I lost I had a feeling of a thousand suns burning in my stomach made me feel like I was alive for the first time, and even though I didn't like the game at all I kept playing for this sole reason.
After a while I met Take and we got along pretty well. He was the manager of Team Alternate and when my old contract expired he got me a nice deal to join them. I wasn't doing well in EPS but I got a really nice placement in ESWC 2011 after beating Thorzain in the ro16 and losing to Stephano in the ro8 on stage. At that time Terran was already struggling a lot and when the Queen patch came out I basically stopped doing any result whatsoever. The game became just too difficult and even though I practiced harder and harder winning against Zerg consistently seemed impossible and in fact I don't think I won a single bo3 against a known Zerg after that. Players that were average at most suddenly became top progamers and this was very painful to see, especially because Blizzard failed to realize the mistake they had done and never changed it back to how it was. This however made me work really hard to get some results and even when I failed I learned to be happy as long as I knew I gave my best. One thing that I really appreciated is that Take always gave me his full trust and support. Maybe they were only words but it was very important to me and made me realize that trusting and encouraging the people around you can be one of the best things a person can do, and I'm extremely grateful to him for this. In my last period I lived in Germany I also had the chance to live with Monchi, who moved there to play EPS and work together with Take. He is a great guy and a great player and I learned to be a lot more positive from him.
I did much better in the last tournaments I played due to my new training and mindset (with the exception of Homestorycup) and I finally felt I was going in the right direction. Eventually I would leave Germany and my team but I was satisfied with my personal growth and while many people say my career as progamer wasn't successful I couldn't disagree more. To me the whole progamer thing is not about winning money and be famous. It's about following your own dreams without any certainty and fighting every day to change yourself so you can experience better results in every aspect of your life. It means realizing what's truly important and who you want to be, even when everybody points their angry fingers and judge you for your choices, trying to make you feel you are doing something wrong. It means forcing yourself to find a way to be happy with your life and more resolute in what you do. It means sharing your dream with your friends and be happy or sad with them. Some of the bonds I've made in the past 2 years will last forever and no person will ever be able to dent my inner confidence again. I've gotten something so important in the past 2 years that no amount of money would ever have been able to buy me. And if this is not being successful in what you do then I sure don't know what it is. I'm so happy I choose to be a progamer, it made me become proud of myself, and even though I am still far from being the person I want to be now I know that I can find my mistakes and fix them, learn by every experience and get better every day.
I will keep playing and getting better at Starcraft and at life. I am now in Italy without team but I'm not worried a single bit about the future. This is what I want to do and this is what I will keep doing. I will change to Protoss in HotS and I will work hard to have my big winning experience on stage, which is something I truly want to experience at least once. I know I have what it takes to stand out as a player and I will do my absolute best to make it happen.
This is pretty much the summary of my progaming experience. I would also love to share other things I learned, which can be very useful and interesting. Here are some of them in a random order:
- People change when they become famous, often for the worse, up to the point you don't recognize them anymore; - progamers have a bad sense of fashion; - being a Starcraft 2 progamer makes you able to handle stress better than anything else; - You Only Live Once, if you want to do something you better start doing it right now; - some of the very best players have extremely egocentric, socially unstable personalities; - most progamers are actors in front of people, they will act nice, helpful and politically correct in public and once they are in a private environment they will be selfish, unapologetic and arrogant. By contrast, some of the nicest people in the scene are barely known and recognized by fans; - the more twitter followers, the more groupies; - I secretly wish I was a girl so I could have Flash's babies; - progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have; - no matter what you do, somebody will hate, and their opinion will be meaningless. Receiving real constructive feedback is rare and treasuring it is necessary in succeeding in your short and long term goals; - confidence is the most important trait for anything a person can do; - selfish people are better at faking a nice personality. This happens because otherwise people would never accept them for who they are; - the best players don't necessarily produce the best results; - people would do anything to feel important, they can produce the greatest but even the stupidest things as long as they feel they can stand out from the mass, and if they can't they will rather hate somebody to get attention quickly or give more importance and meaning to what they do and say. This applies to every single person.
I actually have a lot more to say and I left out many things but I'm really tired. If I missed out something you want to know and you have any question or you want to know your favorite progamer or caster better through my perspective you can freely ask me in the comments of this thread. I will be more than happy to answer.
I can relate to a lot of the things you say, most of what you learnt with your experience are also what I learnt too eventually, and its not only true in progaming but in life in general. I had the similar thoughts when I wrote about mine last year :p
On January 18 2013 11:24 cArn- wrote: I can relate to a lot of the things you say, most of what you learnt with your experience are also what I learnt too eventually, and its not only true in progaming but in life in general. I had the similar thoughts when I wrote about mine last year :p
if only I could be as good as you two I'm too chobo to understand the message when it comes to SC2 lol.
Sad to hear you're going P in HotS Awesome blog as always tho, always bring a smile to my face (and sometimes a laugh). Keep at it, feed off the haters when you succeed.
- most progamers are actors in front of people, they will act nice, helpful and politically correct in public and once they are in a private environment they will be selfish, unapologetic and arrogant. By contrast, some of the nicest people in the scene are barely known and recognized by fans;
...aaand now I'm paranoid. Great. Just minutes ago, I was happy in my conviction that Sheth is a mannerbear, White-Ra is the nicest Ukrainian ever, Incontrol is a baller, Grubby is polite as heck, Artosis loves the game and that Day[9] is the best thing to happen to SC2 to date. But not anymore! Nope, thanks to this blog, the nice guys are the evil ones and the controversial ones are the ones who aren't acting. But there are actually nice people in the world so maybe two or three of the nice guys are awesome and being controversial gets you attention so maybe some of the controversial guys are pretending to be controversial when they're actually nice guys IRL, but maybe those guys are really mean on the inside, act nice to everyone they know IRL and act mean to the public to get views and money.
I'm happy that you learned so much and had such an insightful experience. keep fighting Carlo! Never stop telling the real truth. And good luck with Protoss. I hope you get a lot more achievements in HotS!
Well Carlo , i enjoyed your facts about progamers, you catched some valid points about people in general here.
I was always wondering how you would feel among german ( bad sense of fashion overall) progamers( bad sense of fashion too) , must be like Jesolo disco/beach in late july.
I always thought TLO, White-Ra, Day[9], Grubby, etc. were genuinely nice people. Are some/most of the people well-known for being positive and mannered actually selfish and disrespectful to others when not in public?
Is there anything you particularly like/dislike about HotS so far? Is there anything else you would like changed from WoL?
Very inspiring Cloud, good read. I hope I can become a pro some day, it sounds like a fantastic life and learning experience.
Is a big part of your inspiration striving to be #1, making money, and generally accomplishing things? Or is the job itself just so awesome that you love it no matter what?
Well tbh the Esport subculture didn't turn out so well = [ I really think sometimes this wasn't really mean to grow... or wasn't mean to leave Korea lol. Watching foreign events is really a pain. They often look like a gathering of dirty boys and overall misfits. Video games don't end up looking healthy / enjoyable.
On January 18 2013 10:34 StarVe wrote: Who are the nicest people in the scene, ClouD?
First that comes to mind was Dignitas.Merz, he was a really genuine nice guy. White-ra seems also pretty nice to be around and seems very considerate of other people. I also really like Kas (always happy), Rotterdam (extremely generous) and Thorzain (a truly kind person). There's really many more amazingly nice people but these are the one who struck me the most.
On January 18 2013 18:28 Rainling wrote: I always thought TLO, White-Ra, Day[9], Grubby, etc. were genuinely nice people. Are some/most of the people well-known for being positive and mannered actually selfish and disrespectful to others when not in public?
Is there anything you particularly like/dislike about HotS so far? Is there anything else you would like changed from WoL
I'll take your examples one by one so you can understand a bit more about how it is. I'll be just honest, no need to go around things. Day[9]: he's overly nice online but not so overly nice offline. I have to say though that he gave me the feeling that he's loyal to the people he cares about and overall gives a positive vibe. I liked him more when he wasn't so famous but he still gives a nice vibe when you talk to him. Grubby: I didn't watch him interact with his fans as much, but all I can say about this guy is that he seriously takes eSport as his job and he is probably the most professional player outside of Korea. I don't know how he is with others, but he always treated me with respect and gave me some really good advices about life and gaming. Maybe he is not so overly nice in real life like with his fans but he's definitely a guy who gives an enjoyable company and insightful opinions. He is also the smartest man I've met in eSports so far. TLO: the most fake guy in the scene. He never did anything to me but I disrespect him so much because I know a couple stories that would never make me feel anything close to respect for him as a person. He is also extremely arrogant in real life and disliked by most people. Again I have no real grudge against him and he really did nothing to me but these kind of fake people are the ones I detest the most. He's not the only one though, there's some others who are like this. White-Ra: as I said above, very cool guy. Nothing else to say really, his company is very enjoyable and he is very happy to share with other people, which is one of the qualities I appreciate the most in a person.
On January 18 2013 19:17 Bahku wrote: Is a big part of your inspiration striving to be #1, making money, and generally accomplishing things? Or is the job itself just so awesome that you love it no matter what?
Striving to be #1 is the most primal drive that makes a progamer want to win so much and makes him feel so bad, yet motivated when a tournament is over. Making money was never important to me, as long as I have enough to live decently and hang out with my friends I don't really feel I need more of it. Accomplishing something and fulfilling a goal is one of the best feeling a person can have and it usually brings in more goals and motivations. The job is awesome as it is but without the competitive aspect and the money for many other people you wouldn't see as many top progamers as there are now. Yet most are there because they just love doing what they do.
Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
I have a question that may not be totally related to your thread, but if you don't mind I'll ask anyway. We are in a phase of transition between old players and the most recent additions, the old guys are fewer and fewer. This is twice true if we speak about guys who also played Brood War. Anecdotes are always extremely fun to hear, especially from someone who has been here since a long time, and most importantly in a scene that was smaller, less politically correct and more genuine. I mean, Rekrul's blogs are awesome...
I believe that there are A TON of great stories who have never seen the light, but there aren't that many old school players anymore. Strictly speaking of players, all the people I can think of are Idra, TT1, Major, Ret, Incontrol, Dimaga, WhiteRa, Haypro, Jinro, Nazgul, Nony, Machine... and you. Too bad that most of them are in a position where PR are what brings them the money or never blogged, or simply do not post here. In your case and in TT1's one however I saw more than once that you aren't afraid of bringing back some "behind the scenes", like when speaking about payments, Suncow, stories and such. To keep in short : any funny story that comes back to your mind? Nothing dirty or too personal about anyone, obviously.
Edit: obviously good luck for the future, you can surely do it.. I think that Toss is the most micro rewarding race, you should be fine with that.
Edit 2: added Nony to the list, surely I have missed someone else...
On January 18 2013 20:50 MavivaM wrote: I have a question that may not be totally related to your thread, but if you don't mind I'll ask anyway. We are in a phase of transition between old players and the most recent additions, the old guys are fewer and fewer. This is twice true if we speak about guys who also played Brood War. Anecdotes are always extremely fun to hear, especially from someone who has been here since a long time, and most importantly in a scene that was smaller, less politically correct and more genuine. I mean, Rekrul's blogs are awesome...
I believe that there are A TON of great stories who have never seen the light, but there aren't that many old school players anymore. Strictly speaking of players, all the people I can think of are Idra, TT1, Major, Ret, Incontrol, Dimaga, WhiteRa, Haypro, Jinro, Nazgul, Machine... and you. Too bad that most of them are in a position where PR are what brings them the money or never blogged, or simply do not post here. In your case and in TT1's one however I saw more than once that you aren't afraid of bringing back some "behind the scenes", like when speaking about payments, Suncow, stories and such. To keep in short : any funny story that comes back to your mind? Nothing dirty or too personal about anyone, obviously.
Fuck TT1, I was on a diet then he came to visit Germany and after 2 weeks he only bought candies, chocolate and kebab and kept them under my nose 24/7 until I couldn't resist anymore and I gained 5 kilos.
Nice read, from the blog overcoming your depression to this update about eSports in general. Its sad that most people let the fame/publicity get to them, it takes away a very core part of a human; the sincerity. There are only a handfull of people in eSports that are truely passionate and really DO give a fuck, Artosis and DJ Wheat in particular.
I'm glad you are at a point in your life that you are happy, keep up the good work Cloud ! (also I wish to be the little girl so Flash can maek babby with me.)
I have to agree with White-Ra being an awesome guy. I personally met him at WCG06 in Italy the first time when he, Stork (korean progamer) and Ex (Russian Terran, Russian Terrans were some of the strongest in BW) had a tiebreaker. 3 Players, 2 to advance. Stork wanted to get second because it would mean that he could dodge a korean in the brackets and that the koreans could get top 3. Stork would win against Ex and then drop a game against White-Ra hoping White-Ra would beat Ex, but White-Ra and Ex saw through it and White-Ra would drop his game against Ex to force another tiebreak. Eventually Stork grew tired of the tiebreaks and decided to go 2-0, forcing a Korean out of the tournament in the RO8. Still one of the most amazing and mannered things I've seen.
Also, more importantly Carlo, what are your opinions on Stephano and GoOdy?
On January 18 2013 20:21 aTnClouD wrote: I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
They will find some way to screw you over. Blizzard is totally bipolar about game balance.
But the good thing is that protoss is really way easier mechanically speaking, and HotS doesn't bring anything to the table that changes that.
Best of the lucks. To be honest, what you are speaking about, was the kind of stuff i found out while watching many of the streams of progamers. Do you think that korean progamers are the same too ?
On January 18 2013 20:50 MavivaM wrote: I have a question that may not be totally related to your thread, but if you don't mind I'll ask anyway. We are in a phase of transition between old players and the most recent additions, the old guys are fewer and fewer. This is twice true if we speak about guys who also played Brood War. Anecdotes are always extremely fun to hear, especially from someone who has been here since a long time, and most importantly in a scene that was smaller, less politically correct and more genuine. I mean, Rekrul's blogs are awesome...
I believe that there are A TON of great stories who have never seen the light, but there aren't that many old school players anymore. Strictly speaking of players, all the people I can think of are Idra, TT1, Major, Ret, Incontrol, Dimaga, WhiteRa, Haypro, Jinro, Nazgul, Machine... and you. Too bad that most of them are in a position where PR are what brings them the money or never blogged, or simply do not post here. In your case and in TT1's one however I saw more than once that you aren't afraid of bringing back some "behind the scenes", like when speaking about payments, Suncow, stories and such. To keep in short : any funny story that comes back to your mind? Nothing dirty or too personal about anyone, obviously.
Fuck TT1, I was on a diet then he came to visit Germany and after 2 weeks he only bought candies, chocolate and kebab and kept them under my nose 24/7 until I couldn't resist anymore and I gained 5 kilos.
Like your blog as always, happy to hear that you will playing Toss in HoTs and i hope you find a good italian team, would be cool to see you on the italian team that Sickness joined (forgot the name right now )
On January 18 2013 21:35 valaki wrote: How do you feel about people who generally referred as "such a nice guys", and noone dares to badmouth them? Who is the most fake among them?
Nobody is truly a "nice guy", every person has his/her good and bad qualities, and you judge them depending on your own values. What is a quality for me can very well be a flaw for another person. Knowing this alone is equally important as distancing ourselves from the public idea of how a person should be and it also allows to know and express ourselves better. I always dared to express myself to seek confrontation, about anyone and anything, no matter the resistance, and if people don't like it screw them. You don't have time in your life to listen to a mass of random people who mean nothing to you. As long as you don't hate for no purpose seeking confrontation is always positive.
You have no idea how much I want to hear those storys (about TLO or others) ^^. Question, would you say any human being could become pro with just enough practise, or is talent a huge factor?
You are a nice dude.. and also probably one of the most sincere one among the pro gamers. Hope you will do good on your career from now on and to see more content from you.
On January 19 2013 00:38 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: Question, would you say any human being could become pro with just enough practise, or is talent a huge factor?
Look at me. I am gifted with an incredible memory, a great hand coordination and I'm really fast with mouse and keyboard, and yet I still lose in tournaments to players who don't have any of these qualities but just put an incredible amount of passion and hard work into what they do. Anybody can be successful, not having talent is just an excuse for the losers.
Although i never really respected you as a player (to much complaining and whining, even when Terran was op you didnt do too well), i respect you a lot because u dont talk shit but are always honest. I consider myself quite similar to you in that matter, so I can feel with you when you just have to say something, despite knowing i could get you in trouble^^
- most progamers are actors in front of people, they will act nice, helpful and politically correct in public and once they are in a private environment they will be selfish, unapologetic and arrogant. By contrast, some of the nicest people in the scene are barely known and recognized by fans;
...aaand now I'm paranoid. Great. Just minutes ago, I was happy in my conviction that Sheth is a mannerbear, White-Ra is the nicest Ukrainian ever, Incontrol is a baller, Grubby is polite as heck, Artosis loves the game and that Day[9] is the best thing to happen to SC2 to date. But not anymore! Nope, thanks to this blog, the nice guys are the evil ones and the controversial ones are the ones who aren't acting. But there are actually nice people in the world so maybe two or three of the nice guys are awesome and being controversial gets you attention so maybe some of the controversial guys are pretending to be controversial when they're actually nice guys IRL, but maybe those guys are really mean on the inside, act nice to everyone they know IRL and act mean to the public to get views and money.
Fuck me.
Sheth rarely says mean things directly but If you watch his stream enough he does a sort of sarcastic bm, like he will lose a game and he thinks its bullshit so he will say something like, Oh well that was nice in a sarcastic tone.
White-Ra barely speaks english and probably can be a asshole at times nobodys a saint
Incontrol if you watch SOTG or Inside the Game you can see him being the opposite of a baller
Artosis plays some starcraft but not as much as he likes to portray and his actual skill is pretty low
Day[9] Is his own brand and makes money that way, he rarely casts at tournaments because of the big price they have to play. He frequently gets paid to do viral marketing on his stream by playing some games. I remember a weird fantasy mmo that a bunch of streamers were payed to play.
Grubby again is just making a image for the sake of branding and he can be asshole
You really should not idolize people so much. The saint Mother Teresa ending up being a big fraud and anybody can have a ego or be a asshole or do things for their best interests.
On January 18 2013 17:02 Teoita wrote: If you are back in Italy, does that mean you will be more active in the scene here, playing in ICC and whatnot?
As an ICC admin, I'd like to know this too!
ICC is for italian teams, he's not in one of them, what am I missing ?
Anyway I'm glad you'll switch to toss. Back to origins :o
Would be kinda cool if he did join an italian team. Also, i'm scared as shit of him playing in As with stareagle lol. Might as well give them the title every season xD
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
I garantuee you you will fail as protoss for a long time because of 2 reasons (im midgm btw): 1. Different production cycles, you're used to being able to queue units whenever you like, now you will have to learn to warpin exactly when your production cycle has just finished. 2. Forcefields, they actually take skill, and before you're any good with them you will be losing nonstop.
But I love you anyways, your casting has always been simply awesome.
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
I garantuee you you will fail as protoss for a long time because of 2 reasons (im midgm btw): 1. Different production cycles, you're used to being able to queue units whenever you like, now you will have to learn to warpin exactly when your production cycle has just finished. 2. Forcefields, they actually take skill, and before you're any good with them you will be losing nonstop.
But I love you anyways, your casting has always been simply awesome.
I shouldn't answer to this but I can't help myself. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
I garantuee you you will fail as protoss for a long time because of 2 reasons (im midgm btw): 1. Different production cycles, you're used to being able to queue units whenever you like, now you will have to learn to warpin exactly when your production cycle has just finished. 2. Forcefields, they actually take skill, and before you're any good with them you will be losing nonstop.
But I love you anyways, your casting has always been simply awesome.
I shouldn't answer to this but I can't help myself. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
Do you think they ganged up against you in particular or that they do this in general and with each other as well? My impression of the German scene is that they are very tightly-knit and share more stuff than usual even across clan borders. But also at the same time that they capitalize on knowledge of opponent's playstyles, withhold "special tactics" and mindgame each other hard for the EPS.
And, a long time ago (1~2 years ago) I think the impression of German players was that you are too stubborn/too much set in your ways to take advice.
Cloud, you are an awesome guy, your zerg hating on takes stream was always so funny :D
I also have a question to you as an experienced player: Do you think the switch you do is also viable for non-pro gamers? I feel like improving with Terran as a race is mouch harder in comparisment with improving as Zerg or Protoss. I don't want to start a flame war on this, I just want to know your opinion on this topic.
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
I garantuee you you will fail as protoss for a long time because of 2 reasons (im midgm btw): 1. Different production cycles, you're used to being able to queue units whenever you like, now you will have to learn to warpin exactly when your production cycle has just finished. 2. Forcefields, they actually take skill, and before you're any good with them you will be losing nonstop.
But I love you anyways, your casting has always been simply awesome.
I shouldn't answer to this but I can't help myself. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
Do you think they ganged up against you in particular or that they do this in general and with each other as well? My impression of the German scene is that they are very tightly-knit and share more stuff than usual even across clan borders. But also at the same time that they capitalize on knowledge of opponent's playstyles, withhold "special tactics" and mindgame each other hard for the EPS.
And, a long time ago (1~2 years ago) I think the impression of German players was that you are too stubborn/too much set in your ways to take advice.
They are just used to not trust each other and only help in a way it can be convenient to them. The older guys are just very sneaky even among themselves and I got the impression some of them would sell their mom to win EPS. I honestly don't regard any of these players high enough to accept an opinion blindly without a valid reason like I would do with MVP or Flash, and whenever I confronted my reasons with their reasons they would call me stubborn without even ending the conversation. I like the newer players though, I kinda liked DBS but he retired now, and HeroMarine has a cool playstyle and lots of potential, and so far I never had any "problem" with them.
On January 19 2013 01:39 Gulgarathz wrote: I also have a question to you as an experienced player: Do you think the switch you do is also viable for non-pro gamers? I feel like improving with Terran as a race is mouch harder in comparisment with improving as Zerg or Protoss. I don't want to start a flame war on this, I just want to know your opinion on this topic.
Switching from Terran to Protoss is going to be very easy. All you need is the patience to get PvP and PvZ but the mechanics you learned playing Terran will stay there and help you be a way better player than anyone who started as Protoss.
- most progamers are actors in front of people, they will act nice, helpful and politically correct in public and once they are in a private environment they will be selfish, unapologetic and arrogant. By contrast, some of the nicest people in the scene are barely known and recognized by fans;
...aaand now I'm paranoid. Great. Just minutes ago, I was happy in my conviction that Sheth is a mannerbear, White-Ra is the nicest Ukrainian ever, Incontrol is a baller, Grubby is polite as heck, Artosis loves the game and that Day[9] is the best thing to happen to SC2 to date. But not anymore! Nope, thanks to this blog, the nice guys are the evil ones and the controversial ones are the ones who aren't acting. But there are actually nice people in the world so maybe two or three of the nice guys are awesome and being controversial gets you attention so maybe some of the controversial guys are pretending to be controversial when they're actually nice guys IRL, but maybe those guys are really mean on the inside, act nice to everyone they know IRL and act mean to the public to get views and money.
Fuck me.
That sort of misconception seems to be common in people who have trouble accepting that people can be genuinely different. They think everyone is more or less the same as them, only some people are "fake" and therefore worthy of scorn. I have the distinct impression of cloud that he's numbered among those people. So if a ...lets call it "difficult" character like him encounters someone genuinly likeable he concludes that person must be a big faker and privately a huge dick.
On January 18 2013 14:50 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
- most progamers are actors in front of people, they will act nice, helpful and politically correct in public and once they are in a private environment they will be selfish, unapologetic and arrogant. By contrast, some of the nicest people in the scene are barely known and recognized by fans;
...aaand now I'm paranoid. Great. Just minutes ago, I was happy in my conviction that Sheth is a mannerbear, White-Ra is the nicest Ukrainian ever, Incontrol is a baller, Grubby is polite as heck, Artosis loves the game and that Day[9] is the best thing to happen to SC2 to date. But not anymore! Nope, thanks to this blog, the nice guys are the evil ones and the controversial ones are the ones who aren't acting. But there are actually nice people in the world so maybe two or three of the nice guys are awesome and being controversial gets you attention so maybe some of the controversial guys are pretending to be controversial when they're actually nice guys IRL, but maybe those guys are really mean on the inside, act nice to everyone they know IRL and act mean to the public to get views and money.
Fuck me.
That sort of misconception seems to be common in people who have trouble accepting that people can be genuinely different. They think everyone is more or less the same as them, only some people are "fake" and therefore worthy of scorn. I have the distinct impression of cloud that he's numbered among those people. So if a ...lets call it "difficult" character like him encounters someone genuinly likeable he concludes that person must be a big faker and privately a huge dick.
It sounds to me like you're underestimating Carlo greatly. He's probably spent quite a bit of time with some of these people given the amount of events he goes to, especially with the german pros. A lot of people put up a facade. The amount of actually honest people is slim.
TLO: the most fake guy in the scene. He never did anything to me but I disrespect him so much because I know a couple stories that would never make me feel anything close to respect for him as a person. He is also extremely arrogant in real life and disliked by most people. Again I have no real grudge against him and he really did nothing to me but these kind of fake people are the ones I detest the most. He's not the only one though, there's some others who are like this.
why am i not surprised ? ^^
awesome story though. i wish you the best luck in the future !
p.s.: if you tell one of those stories about TLo im willing to pay money )))))))))
Some of the bonds I've made in the past 2 years will last forever and no person will ever be able to dent my inner confidence again. I've gotten something so important in the past 2 years that no amount of money would ever have been able to buy me.
I like this part the best because this is very true. No amount of money can replace this.
Also, continue streaming, I am one of those people who watch your stream
On January 19 2013 01:39 Gulgarathz wrote: I also have a question to you as an experienced player: Do you think the switch you do is also viable for non-pro gamers? I feel like improving with Terran as a race is mouch harder in comparisment with improving as Zerg or Protoss. I don't want to start a flame war on this, I just want to know your opinion on this topic.
Switching from Terran to Protoss is going to be very easy. All you need is the patience to get PvP and PvZ but the mechanics you learned playing Terran will stay there and help you be a way better player than anyone who started as Protoss.
I think we might see a lot of switches from Terran to Protoss with HotS, if Blizzard fucks up Terran design (as they're on a good way right now) with it. Protoss is really not that hard to learn, if you played terran before at a decent level. I like that you speak so open about your thoughts and oppinions. I really enjoy to read your blogs. But I fear this might make it more difficult for you, to find a team. I hope you can fulfill your dreams with pro gaming. GL!
cloud nice read, I always trought that you are one of the not so nice guys among the progamers. But know this read changed my mind a lot, never ever read another of your blogs maybe that's why I had such an impression. Apart from that i'm truly stunned from your opinion of TLO, he seems such a nice guy. 24 hours streaming marathons for charity, all his problems with the hands all this love from the community... but maybe you are right. i've met so many more fake people all over the world. i never liked tlo, but now i definetely don't like him at the moment
Just my honest opinion. I play protoss since the beginning of SC2 ( season 1). I have my up and downs ( more downs because i started my job training last summer) but i am on constant top 8 master level ( not proud of it i just want to give the people some knowlege so they get my point).
Do you really think: "When i played terran it is easy to switch to protoss because i have sick mechanics and i kinda learn the other matchups". I can tell you now that you will be frustrated, will be frustrated with the way you have to play protoss on higher level. First of all you have to gamble all day long to make your strats going out perfect( for example no scouting PvZ to get the fastest immortal all in timing). Even if you cant die on fast timings in PvP (in HOTS OFC) it is still the same shit with 2 bases because Phoenix>Robo>blink>phoenix and all the stuff that happens in a normal "macro" PvP is that someone keeps his lead from the beginning. PvT is of course "easy" for higher level protosses when the terran goes for nogas FE because its figured out "how" greey you can be till the 10 minute mark (medivac timing). When he goes for gas the guessing can start again. What i just want to say is that winning as Protoss is gambling 70% of the time and when the gamble pays of you have a huge lead against every race. No fun to play this race fulltime. Guess why Socke and Hasu dont play all that much, because they´re have so much fun with their race??? I dont think so.
BTW this is no balance whine, just my opinion why you shouldn´t switch to Protoss.
I actually really like honest people, but your kind of 'honesty' isn't really helping anyone.
If you want to talk bad about people who did smth that upset you I'm totally fine with it, but if you open your mouth, open it completly.
Nothing but random hate will be the result otherwise.
e.g. tell me what TLO did to you, because right now you just look like a sore loser who calls out a player to be 'bad and fake' just to get stomped by him the next time you meet.
The same goes for the rest of the german scene: You probably don't even realize how much you profited by Take and the german 'gang' in your e-sports career. Take gave you a possibility to cast and therefore get media exposure and if all those EPS guys would be so mean they wouldn't have helped you to get into the german scene at all, i mean you are semi-living in Germany for quite a while know and you can't speak much german yet ( at least you always cast in english ).
Feel free to defend yourself, if you give me proof for your hate I'm ok with being wrong
On January 19 2013 04:38 ChaosArcher wrote: I actually really like honest people, but your kind of 'honesty' isn't really helping anyone.
If you want to talk bad about people who did smth that upset you I'm totally fine with it, but if you open your mouth, open it completly.
Nothing but random hate will be the result otherwise.
e.g. tell me what TLO did to you, because right now you just look like a sore loser who calls out a player to be 'bad and fake' just to get stomped by him the next time you meet.
The same goes for the rest of the german scene: You probably don't even realize how much you profited by Take and the german 'gang' in your e-sports career. Take gave you a possibility to cast and therefore get media exposure and if all those EPS guys would be so mean they wouldn't have helped you to get into the german scene at all, i mean you are semi-living in Germany for quite a while know and you can't speak much german yet ( at least you always cast in english ).
Feel free to defend yourself, if you give me proof for your hate I'm ok with being wrong
im calling bullshit....first read before posting since he wrote "he did nothing to me personal" he never called him bad wtf.... what has take to do with it? you just sound like a pissed TLO fanboy
On January 19 2013 04:38 ChaosArcher wrote: I actually really like honest people, but your kind of 'honesty' isn't really helping anyone.
If you want to talk bad about people who did smth that upset you I'm totally fine with it, but if you open your mouth, open it completly.
Nothing but random hate will be the result otherwise.
e.g. tell me what TLO did to you, because right now you just look like a sore loser who calls out a player to be 'bad and fake' just to get stomped by him the next time you meet.
The same goes for the rest of the german scene: You probably don't even realize how much you profited by Take and the german 'gang' in your e-sports career. Take gave you a possibility to cast and therefore get media exposure and if all those EPS guys would be so mean they wouldn't have helped you to get into the german scene at all, i mean you are semi-living in Germany for quite a while know and you can't speak much german yet ( at least you always cast in english ).
Feel free to defend yourself, if you give me proof for your hate I'm ok with being wrong
im calling bullshit....first read before posting since he wrote "he did nothing to me personal" he never called him bad wtf.... what has take to do with it? you just sound like a pissed TLO fanboy
He never called him bad????? You have missed a lot man, watch clouds vlog and come back to this thread. Next time before you attack people inform yourself
I cracked up just knowing you cracked up writing that penis blog LOL. And btw I love the summary of points you list near the end. Though I don't have much as experience as you do as a progamer, I can definitely already see a good amount of what you stated as true so far.
I.... think posting nasty, unsupported comments about TLO + other personalities is both unprofessional and detrimental to the game we love.
If an issue arises, deal with it, personally. There is nothing to gain from turning people against other players/personalities, because, honestly, no one is perfect and TLO, Day[9], Sheth etc. have done NOTHING (to our knowledge) except be cordial/kind.
People, don't listen to ONE GUY'S account of other people, think/judge for yourself.
ClouD seriously how can you think it's a good idea to just throw stuff like this out there (the TLO things)? Seriously, shit-throwing like this is exactly what this community doesn't need at the moment. Deal with issues like these in private instead of here. It's just plain retarded to think this is a good idea. Loads of people will think bad of TLO now just because you wrote this (even if you don't have anything to back it up with...). You said he didn't deserve getting his reputation ruined. How stupid can someone be? Do you actually think this doesn't hurt TLO's reputation? lol
In all honesty, and I'm not saying this as a hater (I've actually though you've been quite a funny guy from time to time) -- you should probably focus more on the game than writing a fucking essay about your dick.
On January 19 2013 04:38 ChaosArcher wrote: I actually really like honest people, but your kind of 'honesty' isn't really helping anyone.
If you want to talk bad about people who did smth that upset you I'm totally fine with it, but if you open your mouth, open it completly.
Nothing but random hate will be the result otherwise.
e.g. tell me what TLO did to you, because right now you just look like a sore loser who calls out a player to be 'bad and fake' just to get stomped by him the next time you meet.
The same goes for the rest of the german scene: You probably don't even realize how much you profited by Take and the german 'gang' in your e-sports career. Take gave you a possibility to cast and therefore get media exposure and if all those EPS guys would be so mean they wouldn't have helped you to get into the german scene at all, i mean you are semi-living in Germany for quite a while know and you can't speak much german yet ( at least you always cast in english ).
Feel free to defend yourself, if you give me proof for your hate I'm ok with being wrong
Dear god, how can you put all "germans" in one pot, TaKe is TaKe and the players are single persons for themselves, no matter what nationality they have. He was living here 2 years, and lets go for 2 years to italy and then cast for the guys down there in italian gogo, show me your skill .... The sad problem is that the fail is not at him, it´s the german community since at least 70% of them suck at english, a language they learn in school and still fail at it . ClouD said nothing about hate, i guess he never would say that, you either like or dislike ppl for some reasons. As he said, he had a great time in Germany with ups and downs and believe me he is a really grateful guy and knows what TaKe did for him. Carlo
TLO: the most fake guy in the scene. He never did anything to me but I disrespect him so much because I know a couple stories that would never make me feel anything close to respect for him as a person. He is also extremely arrogant in real life and disliked by most people. Again I have no real grudge against him and he really did nothing to me but these kind of fake people are the ones I detest the most. He's not the only one though, there's some others who are like this.
i really liked the first post of cloud which summed up some good points of his last two years but i advice everyone not to take everything too serious as cloud is for sure a bit frustrated in retrospect about his germany time as it was a disaster gamewise; so i can understand his statements but they are for sure not true the way he stated them and very biased
- confidence is the most important trait for anything a person can do; - selfish people are better at faking a nice personality. This happens because otherwise people would never accept them for who they are;
i think these two also go hand and hand.
arrogance certainly provides a shortcut to confidence.
I dont know what gives you the right to judge all those e-sports personalities in such a way. Imo you dont do it in a constructive way but it feels like you are very accusing and condemning people.
So maybe people arent as nice to you as they are to their fans. But does that mean that they dont have sincerely nice characters? I dont think so. You owe your viewers and followers a lot. So why wouldnt you be as nice as possible to them? It would be super ungrateful otherwise. The way you say it, it feels like you are accusing them of hypocrisy. Just let them do their thing and focus on growing your own success instead of talking bad about the success of other people.
Maybe you dont like certain things they do, but thats no reason to BM someone. Also being so emotional that you constantly have to insult people and reveal their dirty stories is a weakness. I believe that most people have their reasons for their behaviour and i always try to understand everyones point of view to find the best solution for everybody, but you dont try to understand them you just say your opinion and thats the only right way without even considering other approaches. You dont appear very humble when you always search the mistakes somewhere else first and foremost. I like you most of the times and i think you are a honest guy and a decent player. But i think you got issues with your mindset. I dont think the german players tried to take advantage of your insights without giving anything back. In a szenecast they said its difficult to argue with you because you get over-emotional so you lose your objectiveness and insist very stubbornly on your own point of view. Even Take said once that its hard to help you, because you have some weird reasoning sometimes and then it doesnt really makes any sense to argue with you because you wouldnt listen.
Some of it might be cultural. When youre thinking youre having a good normal italian discussion, germans might think this is way too emotional already and not objective anymore. I think people like hasu and socke are very good at looking at issues without getting emotionally involved which might cloud(theehee) their judgement.
Im really not trying to offend you but I rather want to show you that theres almost always another side of the coin. And it feels like youre just neglecting its existance most of the time.
Pointing fingers all the time and saying "they're fake, bad, dishonest" usually tells me that that person has some issues himself and tries to blame others for his faults. At least that's what i was like when i was a young and insecure boy. But you might just be the one exception in a thousand Cloud. At least i hope so.
The thing i don´t understand is why should tlo be fake? I saw an interview in which TLO himself said that he is sometimes really arrogant and he doesn´t like this side on him and tries to get better. But why should this make his "be always positive and don´t get angry at other people" phylosopy fake? He is always friendly when he streams and never BM´s other players. And i know someone ín this thread that BM´s the shit out of people and complains always when i see him about balance. And i think people like this should not talk about other people being fake...
While i enjoyed reading some of the parts of your blog, i really disliked the middle to end of it. The way you put yourself above some of the "fake" persons (thats how you called them) and trash them in a community full of guys who put every single line they read on reddit or even email sponsors is .. lets call it asshole-ish and makes it look even worse than the persons you mentioned.
I respect your choice to speak about ->> your <<- experience with some of the pros but you shouldn't generalize that and make a fact out of it. People communicate and interact with each other based on emotions, experiences and expectations. If a person looks arrogant to you it may be a thing of misinterpretation - like generalizing. A person can look cocky because this person may not like you and may kind of ignore you. Ignoring or don't caring about people is a thing many misinterprete as arrogance because these people look with their asses at you and show you their back instead of their face. At the same time other people can have a totally different experience.
My whole point is that people tell stories about others everywhere on the planet. It's not just a progaming phenomenon as you might already know. And stories tend to become urban legends and at the end are like 1.000 % harsher than the stuff that happened in reality.
I could write hundrets of lines and wouldn't express correctly what i really want to tell you. I dont even know you in person and still i want to give you that advice because you seem to be lost in a cloud of hate, jealousy, reproaching and blaming. And the sad part about it is that it seems like you don't even notice that. I don't know you and yet still all i read in your blog (from a certain point on) is all that. Maybe you notice that on your own but you definitely deactivated your understanding for this in your blog then... Let's be frank here, I don't wanna start hating on you nor do i want to take out my pitchfork. I have no reason for it. I respect every person for the person he/she decides to be and I just wish you the best of luck in the future and at the same time hope you become a better person. Once you reach that point of appreciation that i think every person can reach you will feel a moment of true satisfaction. Overall that will be the moment where you stop to name-call, hate, reproach, blame and showing jealousy. Because from one day to another you won't give a f*ck about certain stuff anymore.
Until then i wish you the best from the bottom of my heart... oh, and thx for the time you took to write this blog. Myself and i'm sure many others really appreciate it.
For some reason I always liked reading your statements because I feel like you're one of those truly honest people who says exactly what he feels. I have to say though:
people would do anything to feel important, they can produce the greatest but even the stupidest things as long as they feel they can stand out from the mass, and if they can't they will rather hate somebody to get attention quickly or give more importance and meaning to what they do and say. This applies to every single person.
I might be the exception here. I think its because I lost a lot of my egotistical pride, so now I feel like some battered, nice person that hopes for the best. Oh god I hope no one thinks I'm being self important with this . I think its probably true of a lot of people that have suffered a lot, they probably are too scared to be a problem, and too scared to become important and face criticism and all the problems associated with it. I mean they'll still want to be happy, just not the center of attention
its nice to read about someone whos sticking around the scene despite not having the best results previously. I feel like everytime I read one of these blogs its about someone quitting, so this is refreshing. You will be the ONLY protoss player in hots that I will ever cheer for. gl.
On January 19 2013 06:37 nebula. wrote: ClouD seriously how can you think it's a good idea to just throw stuff like this out there (the TLO things)? Seriously, shit-throwing like this is exactly what this community doesn't need at the moment. Deal with issues like these in private instead of here. It's just plain retarded to think this is a good idea. Loads of people will think bad of TLO now just because you wrote this (even if you don't have anything to back it up with...). You said he didn't deserve getting his reputation ruined. How stupid can someone be? Do you actually think this doesn't hurt TLO's reputation? lol
In all honesty, and I'm not saying this as a hater (I've actually though you've been quite a funny guy from time to time) -- you should probably focus more on the game than writing a fucking essay about your dick.
Totally agree with this. It is sad how you call yourself a professional and then do things like this. Go ahead, switch to protoss, it's TOTALLY the game that is broken and the reason you can't win. Haha.
Good luck, it sucks losing one of the only honest Terrans. I've been on the fence about either race switching or game switching for a while now, still undecided. After you start storming Terrans to death, be sure to keep telling the community how bad Terran is for those of us who stayed :D
"TLO: the most fake guy in the scene. He never did anything to me but I disrespect him so much because I know a couple stories that would never make me feel anything close to respect for him as a person. He is also extremely arrogant in real life and disliked by most people. Again I have no real grudge against him and he really did nothing to me but these kind of fake people are the ones I detest the most. He's not the only one though, there's some others who are like this. White-Ra: as I said above, very cool guy. Nothing else to say really, his company is very enjoyable and he is very happy to share with other people, which is one of the qualities I appreciate the most in a person."
On January 19 2013 14:05 tili wrote: Why the hell is someone who says....:
"TLO: the most fake guy in the scene. He never did anything to me but I disrespect him so much because I know a couple stories that would never make me feel anything close to respect for him as a person. He is also extremely arrogant in real life and disliked by most people. Again I have no real grudge against him and he really did nothing to me but these kind of fake people are the ones I detest the most. He's not the only one though, there's some others who are like this. White-Ra: as I said above, very cool guy. Nothing else to say really, his company is very enjoyable and he is very happy to share with other people, which is one of the qualities I appreciate the most in a person."
Spotlighted????? wtf/bad call.
dude this was a reply not the blog.....friggin angry fanboyz
On January 19 2013 14:05 tili wrote: Why the hell is someone who says....:
"TLO: the most fake guy in the scene. He never did anything to me but I disrespect him so much because I know a couple stories that would never make me feel anything close to respect for him as a person. He is also extremely arrogant in real life and disliked by most people. Again I have no real grudge against him and he really did nothing to me but these kind of fake people are the ones I detest the most. He's not the only one though, there's some others who are like this. White-Ra: as I said above, very cool guy. Nothing else to say really, his company is very enjoyable and he is very happy to share with other people, which is one of the qualities I appreciate the most in a person."
Spotlighted????? wtf/bad call.
You have something against White-Ra being a cool guy? Idiot...
On January 19 2013 00:38 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: Question, would you say any human being could become pro with just enough practise, or is talent a huge factor?
Look at me. I am gifted with an incredible memory, a great hand coordination and I'm really fast with mouse and keyboard, and yet I still lose in tournaments to players who don't have any of these qualities but just put an incredible amount of passion and hard work into what they do. Anybody can be successful, not having talent is just an excuse for the losers.
muahahah I agree so much about the last sentence, because this has been my first excuse for being a noob (later I started to blame balance so hard).
On January 19 2013 07:30 JustPassingBy wrote: Glad to hear you're doing well, ClouD.
One question: what was the first that you ate after returning to Italy?
edit: I miss Italy.
Damn me2, should´ve totally stayed there when I had the chance. But life is sometimes misterious and shit. Anyways good blog Cloud! I hope to recover as you did, it´s really helpful to know people climbed out of the pit . Good Luck in Italy! And will we maybe see a oSc.Cloud soon?
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote: - People change when they become famous, often for the worse, up to the point you don't recognize them anymore; - being a Starcraft 2 progamer makes you able to handle stress better than anything else; - some of the very best players have extremely egocentric, socially unstable personalities; - most progamers are actors in front of people, they will act nice, helpful and politically correct in public and once they are in a private environment they will be selfish, unapologetic and arrogant. By contrast, some of the nicest people in the scene are barely known and recognized by fans; - progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have; - no matter what you do, somebody will hate, and their opinion will be meaningless. Receiving real constructive feedback is rare and treasuring it is necessary in succeeding in your short and long term goals; - confidence is the most important trait for anything a person can do; - selfish people are better at faking a nice personality. This happens because otherwise people would never accept them for who they are;
Hi Cloud, never really followed you but I like this thread very much!
I'm wondering if being a SC2-progamer also makes you more cynical and susceptible to other people. The progame environment sounds cold and unpleasant, not to say the Internet haters will always flame the players which must make you feel the world is against you. What do you do to keep yourself "human" and how do you ignore those comments?
Also, one question unrelated to the former two ones: What skills or competences do you think you can bring with you to any non-eSports career should you ever decide to retire?
On January 19 2013 04:38 ChaosArcher wrote: I actually really like honest people, but your kind of 'honesty' isn't really helping anyone.
If you want to talk bad about people who did smth that upset you I'm totally fine with it, but if you open your mouth, open it completly.
Nothing but random hate will be the result otherwise.
e.g. tell me what TLO did to you, because right now you just look like a sore loser who calls out a player to be 'bad and fake' just to get stomped by him the next time you meet.
The same goes for the rest of the german scene: You probably don't even realize how much you profited by Take and the german 'gang' in your e-sports career. Take gave you a possibility to cast and therefore get media exposure and if all those EPS guys would be so mean they wouldn't have helped you to get into the german scene at all, i mean you are semi-living in Germany for quite a while know and you can't speak much german yet ( at least you always cast in english ).
Feel free to defend yourself, if you give me proof for your hate I'm ok with being wrong
Dear god, how can you put all "germans" in one pot, TaKe is TaKe and the players are single persons for themselves, no matter what nationality they have. He was living here 2 years, and lets go for 2 years to italy and then cast for the guys down there in italian gogo, show me your skill .... The sad problem is that the fail is not at him, it´s the german community since at least 70% of them suck at english, a language they learn in school and still fail at it . ClouD said nothing about hate, i guess he never would say that, you either like or dislike ppl for some reasons. As he said, he had a great time in Germany with ups and downs and believe me he is a really grateful guy and knows what TaKe did for him. Carlo
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
Once again read the freaking thread before posting bullshit. What the fuck happened to TL people were smart here once... This post was directed to Cloud and he knows what he said and what he didn't say so i would be extremly happy if you just shut your mouth.
On January 19 2013 07:30 JustPassingBy wrote: One question: what was the first that you ate after returning to Italy?
This
On January 19 2013 20:06 WetSocks wrote: all of your writings are good. and do you really want Flash's baby??
Thanks. And yes, of course I do.
On January 19 2013 20:40 yaxv wrote: Hi Cloud, never really followed you but I like this thread very much!
I'm wondering if being a SC2-progamer also makes you more cynical and susceptible to other people. The progame environment sounds cold and unpleasant, not to say the Internet haters will always flame the players which must make you feel the world is against you. What do you do to keep yourself "human" and how do you ignore those comments?
Also, one question unrelated to the former two ones: What skills or competences do you think you can bring with you to any non-eSports career should you ever decide to retire?
Thanks!
At the beginning they get to you because you are not used to them, but after a while you realize that when people are in a group, even the very smart ones, they tend to conform to a level of intelligence that fits everybody, which is usually really low. Being able to filter the useful and the useless comments is an ability every progamer in the spotlight gets and we usually ignore the haters or the people writing on TL and Reddit altogether (I actually found out about Reddit about a year ago and after that I've never wanted to open that website again). I think being a progamer makes you very in touch with your humanity because it comes along many intense feelings and you are always forced to communicate with people to make it work. The skills I gained from this experiences are so important that I am actually confident I can succeed in anything I will do in my life from now on. I learned the importance of trusting myself, hard work, who I really am and who I want to be, how to communicate with different kinds of people more efficiently and many more incredibly useful life skills. This has been by far the most useful life experience I've ever had and only made me grow up both on a personal and professional level.
I am really interested in hearing of other "fake" people. :-) You said that there were others like TLO, can you name a few? Or should I just continue guessing? :-P
Really nice read! Now that I have been following you for a long-time, its nice to see such a blog from you. :-)
I loved the game at first and even though I played Protoss in SCBW I switched to Terran in SC2 because I thought it was by far the most challenging and fun to play.
then
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
So it doesn't matter anymore to you to have fun playing or being challenged? Do you only play to win now?
On January 19 2013 04:38 ChaosArcher wrote: I actually really like honest people, but your kind of 'honesty' isn't really helping anyone.
If you want to talk bad about people who did smth that upset you I'm totally fine with it, but if you open your mouth, open it completly.
Nothing but random hate will be the result otherwise.
e.g. tell me what TLO did to you, because right now you just look like a sore loser who calls out a player to be 'bad and fake' just to get stomped by him the next time you meet.
The same goes for the rest of the german scene: You probably don't even realize how much you profited by Take and the german 'gang' in your e-sports career. Take gave you a possibility to cast and therefore get media exposure and if all those EPS guys would be so mean they wouldn't have helped you to get into the german scene at all, i mean you are semi-living in Germany for quite a while know and you can't speak much german yet ( at least you always cast in english ).
Feel free to defend yourself, if you give me proof for your hate I'm ok with being wrong
Dear god, how can you put all "germans" in one pot, TaKe is TaKe and the players are single persons for themselves, no matter what nationality they have. He was living here 2 years, and lets go for 2 years to italy and then cast for the guys down there in italian gogo, show me your skill .... The sad problem is that the fail is not at him, it´s the german community since at least 70% of them suck at english, a language they learn in school and still fail at it . ClouD said nothing about hate, i guess he never would say that, you either like or dislike ppl for some reasons. As he said, he had a great time in Germany with ups and downs and believe me he is a really grateful guy and knows what TaKe did for him. Carlo
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
Once again read the freaking thread before posting bullshit. What the fuck happened to TL people were smart here once... This post was directed to Cloud and he knows what he said and what he didn't say so i would be extremly happy if you just shut your mouth.
User was warned for this post
You are right, i also miss the good old times when i entered and ppl like you did not know about TL and the good games ...
Awesome read Cloud. You are definately one of my favorite bloggers. You have a lot of enthusiasm, humor, and ability. You are someone I respect. Keep up the good work, and I wish you the best of luck.
I loved the game at first and even though I played Protoss in SCBW I switched to Terran in SC2 because I thought it was by far the most challenging and fun to play.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
So it doesn't matter anymore to you to have fun playing or being challenged? Do you only play to win now?
The amount of additional effort you have to put compared to Protoss and especially Zerg players is way too much. One thing is challenge, one thing is practicing twice as much just to be as good. I still have fun playing Terran but right now the situation is out of hand.
Obviously my situation is not comparable, but I feel the same way about Terran. I don't really play on a regular basis, but when I do I usually choose either Terran or Protoss, then play for a few days or 2 weeks and then lose interest because none of my friends are playing. When I pick Terran there is so much to work on and I get really frustrated when I have to micro like crazy while my opponent just a moves. When I play Protoss it's really chilled and I feel like as long as I don't fuck up my build immensely or screw up forcefields badly I can handle my opponents pretty well. Terran seems much more stressful with much more to do at the same time while being punished harder for mistakes. So now I am playing P again, much more enjoyable because less stressful, to me. (diamond league)
Are you (truly) sorry about what you've posted about gypsies? If not; Maybe you're not the right person to judge others and you should visit Auswitch sometime, see what you can learn from that.
Welcome back to the brotoss race. I was sad when you switched to Terran for WoL. You, White-Ra and Nony were my 3 favorite foreign protoss' and now I have no doubt you will take down a major tournament in HotS.
You're being immature as fuck with this badmouthing of TLO. Who gives a shit if he's a flawed individual in some way, it's not yours to scream it out like this. The guy is doing the best he can in life, just like everyone else. Tell this stuff to him face to face, not to us.
On January 20 2013 07:53 niteReloaded wrote: Get a fucking grip man.
You're being immature as fuck with this badmouthing of TLO. Who gives a shit if he's a flawed individual in some way, it's not yours to scream it out like this. The guy is doing the best he can in life, just like everyone else. Tell this stuff to him face to face, not to us.
This is my blog with my opinions and I'm answering questions. If you don't like them you are free to not read.
On January 20 2013 07:53 niteReloaded wrote: Get a fucking grip man.
You're being immature as fuck with this badmouthing of TLO. Who gives a shit if he's a flawed individual in some way, it's not yours to scream it out like this. The guy is doing the best he can in life, just like everyone else. Tell this stuff to him face to face, not to us.
This is my blog with my opinions and I'm answering questions. If you don't like them you are free to not read.
Essentially thats what blogs are about, a place where you post your opinions.
I find it funny how theres people trying to lynch Cloud for saying he doesn't like someone, its about as childish as it gets. Its not every day you get the uncensored thoughts of a progamer. Progamers and eSports are trying to sell themselves so much that its easy to forget that it all started with a bunch of passionate guys that enjoyed playing video games.
On January 20 2013 07:53 niteReloaded wrote: Get a fucking grip man.
You're being immature as fuck with this badmouthing of TLO. Who gives a shit if he's a flawed individual in some way, it's not yours to scream it out like this. The guy is doing the best he can in life, just like everyone else. Tell this stuff to him face to face, not to us.
This is my blog with my opinions and I'm answering questions. If you don't like them you are free to not read.
On January 20 2013 08:54 kochujang wrote: I really enjoyed watching you in HSC, ClouD. Honest commentary, and your view on german pizzas is spot on. Pineapples on pizzas are an atrocity!
Btw, you said some nice things about Snute @HSC, but how do you really feel about him?
I think he's a nice guy and I really respect his hard work. The fact he is Zerg plays a somewhat medium role in his success but I still think he deserves what he got and I really hope he keeps doing well.
On January 20 2013 08:54 kochujang wrote: I really enjoyed watching you in HSC, ClouD. Honest commentary, and your view on german pizzas is spot on. Pineapples on pizzas are an atrocity!
Btw, you said some nice things about Snute @HSC, but how do you really feel about him?
I think he's a nice guy and I really respect his hard work. The fact he is Zerg plays a somewhat medium role in his success but I still think he deserves what he got and I really hope he keeps doing well.
Why do you have such strong feelings against the Zerg race's balance at the moment? For example, Zerg is doing very badly in IEM Katowice. TLO and Nerchio were the only Zergs to make it past the group stage and TLO only made it to the Ro8. Doesn't that show that matchups are not Zerg-favored?
I loved the game at first and even though I played Protoss in SCBW I switched to Terran in SC2 because I thought it was by far the most challenging and fun to play.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
So it doesn't matter anymore to you to have fun playing or being challenged? Do you only play to win now?
use your brain, of course he plays to win now. he plays this game professionally.
On January 20 2013 08:54 kochujang wrote: I really enjoyed watching you in HSC, ClouD. Honest commentary, and your view on german pizzas is spot on. Pineapples on pizzas are an atrocity!
Btw, you said some nice things about Snute @HSC, but how do you really feel about him?
I think he's a nice guy and I really respect his hard work. The fact he is Zerg plays a somewhat medium role in his success but I still think he deserves what he got and I really hope he keeps doing well.
Why do you have such strong feelings against the Zerg race's balance at the moment? For example, Zerg is doing very badly in IEM Katowice. TLO and Nerchio were the only Zergs to make it past the group stage and TLO only made it to the Ro8. Doesn't that show that matchups are not Zerg-favored?
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
Wanted to correct your last statement. It was only the last 6 months (starting in may) that zerg dominance really began. Hasn't been a year but half that so far ^_^.
Terran was winning a ton in tvz until may 10nth or 8'th whenever that queen patch came out. MKP was winning mlg's and DRG was the only zerg who won a tournament or 2, was him and MKP first 5-6 months of wol. Which btw isn't anywhere near as long as terran dominated yet.
On January 20 2013 08:54 kochujang wrote: I really enjoyed watching you in HSC, ClouD. Honest commentary, and your view on german pizzas is spot on. Pineapples on pizzas are an atrocity!
Btw, you said some nice things about Snute @HSC, but how do you really feel about him?
I think he's a nice guy and I really respect his hard work. The fact he is Zerg plays a somewhat medium role in his success but I still think he deserves what he got and I really hope he keeps doing well.
Why do you have such strong feelings against the Zerg race's balance at the moment? For example, Zerg is doing very badly in IEM Katowice. TLO and Nerchio were the only Zergs to make it past the group stage and TLO only made it to the Ro8. Doesn't that show that matchups are not Zerg-favored?
Have a look at all the previous tournaments.
Outside of Homestory Cup, the only Zerg dominance I can find recently is by Koreans. And in Proleague, TvZ has been 51-49 on the side of Terrans. In ZvP, it has been 58-42 in favor of Protoss. It seems quite even to me. I do agree that watching Zerg play is boring (coming from a Zerg player), but it seems to be fair right now.
Carlo, I first became aware of you during season 2 of the NASL - I thought it funny that they described your playstyle as "unapologetically macro focused". I've watched your stream as often as I could and enjoyed hearing your honesty compared to other streamers who wanted to make a show or placate fans. As a Terran player I've felt your struggles dealing with the marginalization of our openings and wish you the best with Protoss in HotS. I hope you'll be streaming a lot and enjoying the new race.
Feel sorry for the effect of the Queen patch on you. You were not the only pro Terran, I recall some Terran progamers from US and Europe who are now no longer heard of. I feel sad seeing the ridiculous tournament composition of 1-2 or no Terrans... Can't blame you for wanting to switch in hots but who knows maybe Blizzard will do the same retarded thing to Protoss rofl. Anyways, best of luck and thanks for sharing your experience!
On January 20 2013 09:53 blade55555 wrote: [ Terran was winning a ton in tvz until may 10nth or 8'th whenever that queen patch came out. MKP was winning mlg's and DRG was the only zerg who won a tournament or 2, was him and MKP first 5-6 months of wol. Which btw isn't anywhere near as long as terran dominated yet.
You mean first 5 months of 2012 right? Because first 5-6 months of wol were something different entirely.
On January 18 2013 22:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have to agree with White-Ra being an awesome guy. I personally met him at WCG06 in Italy the first time when he, Stork (korean progamer) and Ex (Russian Terran, Russian Terrans were some of the strongest in BW) had a tiebreaker. 3 Players, 2 to advance. Stork wanted to get second because it would mean that he could dodge a korean in the brackets and that the koreans could get top 3. Stork would win against Ex and then drop a game against White-Ra hoping White-Ra would beat Ex, but White-Ra and Ex saw through it and White-Ra would drop his game against Ex to force another tiebreak. Eventually Stork grew tired of the tiebreaks and decided to go 2-0, forcing a Korean out of the tournament in the RO8. Still one of the most amazing and mannered things I've seen.
Also, more importantly Carlo, what are your opinions on Stephano and GoOdy?
On January 20 2013 07:53 niteReloaded wrote: Get a fucking grip man.
You're being immature as fuck with this badmouthing of TLO. Who gives a shit if he's a flawed individual in some way, it's not yours to scream it out like this. The guy is doing the best he can in life, just like everyone else. Tell this stuff to him face to face, not to us.
This is my blog with my opinions and I'm answering questions. If you don't like them you are free to not read.
Are you going to answer mine?
I don't normally answer stupid questions
What is stupid about my question? How about your post here on TL considering your "solution" for gypsies? You should take a long look into the mirror before criticising any other progamers. I personally prefer any "fake" people over fascists. And because you seem to want to dodge any difficult questions I conclude you are both.
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote: Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.
Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?
Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)? Because of your bw protoss background? If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered. http://aligulac.com/periods/ If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
Wanted to correct your last statement. It was only the last 6 months (starting in may) that zerg dominance really began. Hasn't been a year but half that so far ^_^
Closer to three quarters of a year now, his point still stands. Also pre queen buff zergs was doing alright, not even close to as poorly as terran has been doing the last 8 months.
Well TL mods probably didn't like the things that were said about TLO so they unspolighted a bit lame. Good blog man but I can't forgive you for what you did to that Chinese girl in the other blog
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote: - progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have;
This is so so true hahaha.
Always liking your blogs Cloudman, keep it up!
I thought MVP was a pretty modest and humble guy?
Clouds statement is more of a general statement. While i have no clue how it is with MVP in specific, there are probably some exceptions.
I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote: I actually have a lot more to say and I left out many things but I'm really tired. If I missed out something you want to know and you have any question or you want to know your favorite progamer or caster better through my perspective you can freely ask me in the comments of this thread. I will be more than happy to answer.
I know you already talked about the German pros in general, but I'd still like your view on Hasu.
Also more TLO (give me something that further justifies my dislike ), Naniwa, Stephano, Lucifron. And maybe a few casters? dApollo, Artosis, Khaldor?
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote: - progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have;
This is so so true hahaha.
Always liking your blogs Cloudman, keep it up!
I thought MVP was a pretty modest and humble guy?
Clouds statement is more of a general statement. While i have no clue how it is with MVP in specific, there are probably some exceptions.
I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.
It's fine, really. We're listening, tell us what you know.
It would be cool, if you could talk a little bit about a tournament expirience, how everything happens from your point of view, like a diary of a normally/specific turney
On January 21 2013 11:50 DarKFoRcE wrote: I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.
Oh, I dunno... maybe because it causes drama and a negative environment for absolutely no reason. Oh, also because it's completely unsubstantiated and therefore simple rumor-mongering. Oh... lastly, it's unkind and dehumanizing to simply call someone a bad person / have no respect for then.
Sports, esports or otherwise, require a basic amount of sportsmanship. Professional life, no matter the sphere, requires courtesy.
Ho boy, knew the drama would be unleashed once Cloud make that comment about TLO. AFAIK, the only reason ever given for Cloud's disrespect of TLO is that, in Cloud's opinion, TLO switches races to what Cloud views as the imba race at the time. Personally, I think this is unfair given TLO's previous record as random, which gives him greater plasticity in switching to a race that he deems optimal, and let's be real, players do what they do to win, most players would jump at the chance to switch to a stronger race if they could, but really don't because they're secretly afraid/know that they could be wrong in that race being stronger/might not have the adaptability to become as good with a new race.
On January 25 2013 06:29 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Ho boy, knew the drama would be unleashed once Cloud make that comment about TLO. AFAIK, the only reason ever given for Cloud's disrespect of TLO is that, in Cloud's opinion, TLO switches races to what Cloud views as the imba race at the time. Personally, I think this is unfair given TLO's previous record as random, which gives him greater plasticity in switching to a race that he deems optimal, and let's be real, players do what they do to win, most players would jump at the chance to switch to a stronger race if they could, but really don't because they're secretly afraid/know that they could be wrong in that race being stronger/might not have the adaptability to become as good with a new race.
That doesn't make sense at all. Cloud will switch to Protoss in Heart of the Swarm, because he thinks he will be more successful playing Protoss. Why would he dislike TLO for the same reason?
On January 21 2013 11:50 DarKFoRcE wrote: I often wonder why it is so frowned about to say anything negative about other people in eSports, but on the other hand, unreasonable hyping and making people look way better than they are is perfectly ok. I dont like that tbh.
Oh, I dunno... maybe because it causes drama and a negative environment for absolutely no reason. Oh, also because it's completely unsubstantiated and therefore simple rumor-mongering. Oh... lastly, it's unkind and dehumanizing to simply call someone a bad person / have no respect for then.
Sports, esports or otherwise, require a basic amount of sportsmanship. Professional life, no matter the sphere, requires courtesy.
Go read TMZ.
edit: grammar
did you ever stop and think that maybe you could have written this post without the obnoxious "Oh..." 's ?
Well, I believe it causes drama and a negative environment for no reason The way he put it makes it seem completely unsubstantiated and therefore it's simple rumor-mongering. Lastly, it's unkind and dehumanizing to simply call someone a bad person, or to say you have no respect for them
Sports, esports or otherwise, require a basic amount of sportsmanship. Professional life, no matter the sphere, requires courtesy.
Tadaaaa, you got un-douchebag-ized. Yes, that's a word.
EPT
I'm too chobo to understand the message when it comes to SC2 lol.
: any funny story that comes back to your mind?
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