I would agree on most off the list, but there are a few things, I would have slightly different on:
I) MajOr +5. Why? This is just an honest qeustion, I have seen nothing of him at all in the last weeks and I would like to know, where this comes from.
II) Scarlett. With her IPL run already influencing the last ranking, I can´t really see, why she is again raised. At RSL she lost against Gumiho plying on NA Server (assumption based on RSL 1+2, pls don´t hit me if it is wrong), while both Vortix and Lowely (Who is possibly slightly underrated, but as you said before, making such a ranking is pretty hard) defeated him with a worse connection. Vortix or Snute have done more than her IMHO.
III)TLO. He had a decent Dreamhack and a good HSC and definitly deserves a raise, but +16 is a bit to much, given how careful you went with XlorD (which is totally fine, if he can follow up his HSC, he will get higher soon anyway). I would probably placed him at the 18-22-region.

Otherwise I found everything very reasonable, thanks again for the ranking.

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 29 2012 01:56 GMT

#63

On December 29 2012 06:39 Xoronius wrote:
I would agree on most off the list, but there are a few things, I would have slightly different on:
I) MajOr +5. Why? This is just an honest qeustion, I have seen nothing of him at all in the last weeks and I would like to know, where this comes from.
II) Scarlett. With her IPL run already influencing the last ranking, I can´t really see, why she is again raised. At RSL she lost against Gumiho plying on NA Server (assumption based on RSL 1+2, pls don´t hit me if it is wrong), while both Vortix and Lowely (Who is possibly slightly underrated, but as you said before, making such a ranking is pretty hard) defeated him with a worse connection. Vortix or Snute have done more than her IMHO.
III)TLO. He had a decent Dreamhack and a good HSC and definitly deserves a raise, but +16 is a bit to much, given how careful you went with XlorD (which is totally fine, if he can follow up his HSC, he will get higher soon anyway). I would probably placed him at the 18-22-region.

Otherwise I found everything very reasonable, thanks again for the ranking.

1) he won the HSC NA qualifier quite convincingly against strong zerg opponents
2) you are kind of rate, it was more the votes of last month / ppl wanted to see scarlett get the 2nd spot a lot. shouldve probably been #3 or #4, the thing is that i dont think i could call vortix or snute the 2nd best foreigner right now.
3) I went careful with XlorD cuz its his first apperience in this ranking. Also, some of his games looked strangely "shaky" despite his great results, and you have to concider that ppl didnt know his style at all. TLO though was called one of the best zergs for a few weeks now (e.g. by lucifron "he will top this group without a doubt" at the gd event) and he finally prooved it - and he played good players of all races. I think he deserves to get up a lot. again, he probably shouldve been 3-4 ranks lower, but thats always debateable obviously.

thanks for the feedback again <3

shizaep

Canada2920 Posts

December 29 2012 06:59 GMT

#64

On December 28 2012 15:20 sambo400 wrote:
I counted 8 Patchzergs, Sen could easily replace any 7 of them, the exception being Vortix

Mark my words, by the next list, Goswser will crack top 25.

Nani should be higher, possibly as high as 2.

I'm pretty sure in the first edition, the OP said that this is more of a "Western foreigner" feature. He is excluding Chinese/Taiwanese/etc players because he doesn't really know the scene too well. Sen is definitely up there, he's just not in this list for that reason.

Xoronius

Germany6362 Posts

December 29 2012 11:40 GMT

#65

On December 29 2012 10:56 KalWarkov wrote:

Show nested quote +

1) Checked HSC qualifier again, with the korean invasion there, MajOr´s improvement is probably reasonable.

2) I see, that it is hard to call Vortix/Snute Nr.2 foreigner, but I honestly can´t call Scarlett Nr.2 foreigner as well and Vortix results (Thor Open, RSL, IEM) were stronger. But with the masses (finally) on my side, we´ll see how it´ll be in january. The best solution would probably be Nerchio stomping everyone in katowice, so we have a clear couple at the top again.

3)I can understand the reasoning, but I still have a hard time calling him the favorite against BabyKnight/Fraer.

Btw.: I read here, that Happy retired, where is this information from?

EDIT: I don´t think his has been answered yet:

On December 28 2012 17:02 StatikKhaos wrote:
Gonna get hate,
but grubby is ranked to high, he is, he's not that great anymore, he's definitely not 8
He did good at HSC6 but who'd he beat? MC? he's slumping hard, it seems like he can't beat anyone recently

(I still believe in the boss toss), and Maybe bling?
Then (no offense to TLO) in the second game of their set grubby lost a game he basically had won.

Grubby is way over ranked he's been doing worse for a while, and he's sub 50% in all of his matchups on TLPD, and also of his last 40 games (this doesnt have HSC6 though) he's 12 for 40, thats a 30% win rate friends, (with his wins from hsc6 he's still 42%, they're just not on the TLPD player profile yet, with two of those wins coming over heromarine [who the fuck is that])

Grubby needs to be way lower, looking at gameplay and stats he's way overranked

Please keep in mind, that TLPD does not include IEM Singapure yet. Grubby had a very strong tournament there, defeating Lucifronn, Stardust, MC and sLivko and just narrowly losing to Sting.

dRaW

Canada5744 Posts

December 29 2012 16:47 GMT

#66

I will never understand why foreigners are so bent up on *cheesy/all-in* esq play (i.e if you play *cheesy* and win, your ranking should still be equally compared vs people who don't *cheese*). It's a strategy game where you do ANY strategy to win. In the end it doesn't matter how beautiful your play was, it only matters if you won or lost. You will see in translated interviews that Koreans use it often and call it "strategical play" and I really believe it's a negative way to look at game play in a detrimental light. If you will reference old BW games such as F91 vs Idra, F91 basically just did w.e the hell he wanted and won the series easily because his style is unusual and Idra really didn't understand the game as well as him. After the series he cried about cheesy noob style, but why would you play the same as everyone so they can understand your play in a 'strategy game' makes no sense to me.

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 29 2012 20:42 GMT

#67

On December 30 2012 01:47 dRaW wrote:
I will never understand why foreigners are so bent up on *cheesy/all-in* esq play (i.e if you play *cheesy* and win, your ranking should still be equally compared vs people who don't *cheese*). It's a strategy game where you do ANY strategy to win. In the end it doesn't matter how beautiful your play was, it only matters if you won or lost. You will see in translated interviews that Koreans use it often and call it "strategical play" and I really believe it's a negative way to look at game play in a detrimental light. If you will reference old BW games such as F91 vs Idra, F91 basically just did w.e the hell he wanted and won the series easily because his style is unusual and Idra really didn't understand the game as well as him. After the series he cried about cheesy noob style, but why would you play the same as everyone so they can understand your play in a 'strategy game' makes no sense to me.

If a player relies on those cheeses, you can be certain that he will be figured out very soon.
Its normal and good that players cheese, im only relating to players who rely on cheesing and coinflipping -all the time-

An example would be HuK:
He had rly great tournaments where he won DH, HSC and MLG very convincingly, using various strategies - he had tons of allins as well, but he never relied on them.
But i feel like aobut half a year later, he still had good success if u look at his tournament finishes, while most of it was coinflip buildorders like 4 gate or DT rush in PvPs.
The HuK 6 months earlier wouldve been valued way higher than him 6 month later - although they had comparable success.

Thurken

961 Posts

January 31 2013 20:52 GMT

#68

My only concern is Socke being too low in the ranking. He looked really strong at IEM Katowice and had good results ther aswell. He is a bit too calm to get recognition but it is too bad. I'd put him around 20.

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

February 03 2013 00:16 GMT

#69

On February 01 2013 05:52 Thurken wrote:
My only concern is Socke being too low in the ranking. He looked really strong at IEM Katowice and had good results ther aswell. He is a bit too calm to get recognition but it is too bad. I'd put him around 20.

new ranking coming out tomorrow