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Top30 Foreigner Ranking, December 2012 (2) - Page 3

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 28 2012 09:26 GMT
#41
Seems pretty reasonable, I agree with most of it. TLO could be way higher but I do think that'll happen soon.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
glaresc
Profile Joined April 2012
31 Posts
December 28 2012 09:26 GMT
#42
six of them are terran , good race yes yes :D :D
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
December 28 2012 09:33 GMT
#43
Pretty sure Happy retired.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 28 2012 09:38 GMT
#44
On December 28 2012 18:33 goswser wrote:
Pretty sure Happy retired.


I thought he switched to zerg?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Tailss
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden233 Posts
December 28 2012 09:41 GMT
#45
Decent list. I feel like top 10 is very accurate, with the exception of Scarlett being as high as 2nd. I would also rate Major, Socke and monchi higher while I think that Slivko and HuK are too high up on the list.
An2quamaraN
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland379 Posts
December 28 2012 09:43 GMT
#46
On December 28 2012 13:14 TheFish7 wrote:
Stephano overrated? Are there people who would say he is not best foreigner?


Well, it seems like people start to work him out, also he didn't dominate anything recently. For more and more people he start to look like that "revolutionary guy" who was unstoppable with his own new style/strategy, often by just abusing it, but then fell off from the throne when others learned to play it/against it.

I think he just needs to reprove himself. Or to prove himself in the GSL.
An2quamaraN
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland379 Posts
December 28 2012 09:48 GMT
#47
On December 28 2012 18:41 Tailss wrote:
Decent list. I feel like top 10 is very accurate, with the exception of Scarlett being as high as 2nd. I would also rate Major, Socke and monchi higher while I think that Slivko and HuK are too high up on the list.


Can someone elighten me what has Major accomplished in 2012 that is the reason so many people lick his boots? Not only he is on this list for some mysterious reason, but he is on people's tounges lately most of the time joined by words "fantastic, underrated", but last time i saw him, he got steamrolled by Idra at WCS NA and that tells something. And please, do not mention WCS Mexico because it's a bad argument, just by looking at the competitors there.
ibraishome
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany337 Posts
December 28 2012 10:11 GMT
#48
Sen is not there because (quoted from the OP):
"i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire."

Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
December 28 2012 10:51 GMT
#49
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
December 28 2012 11:07 GMT
#50
Top 5 is really telling..
Blizzard come on!
The curse is real
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 28 2012 11:24 GMT
#51
On December 28 2012 18:33 goswser wrote:
Pretty sure Happy retired.


he still played some pretty good games in teamleagues for empire.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, may it be positive or negative. didnt expect this at all :D
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
December 28 2012 11:57 GMT
#52
Lets hope Blizzard can fix this imbalance. I have no problem with the game being imba at masters (there is no way to deal with that) but on the long run this domination of a race on the sub-top or top-foreign level is unacceptable and does huge damage to the scene. Zerg is just too much easier to play.

User was temp banned for this post.
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RsECommander
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands15 Posts
December 28 2012 11:58 GMT
#53
sen is not even in this list 4th at wcs is ofcourse not a big achievement getting 4th of the world and getting 3 times third in Nasl also not a big achievement joke list who ever made this is a complete idiot
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
December 28 2012 12:10 GMT
#54
fraer, sase, babyknight, mana and maybe Demuslim are all too low
TLO, SortOf too high

lowely should be replaced with elfi I think

oh and naniwa and scarlett should be swapped imo
chimpyman
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6 Posts
December 28 2012 12:22 GMT
#55
can you please explain why Kas is always so high up? he literally has done nothing. ever. but ladder. and lose at lan...

i know he is a great player, but 0 lan results, he shouldnt even be in the top 20-30
Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 12:46:38
December 28 2012 12:45 GMT
#56
Mana has won more then any other foreigner (apart from stephano probably) in the second half of the bracket and he is 11th? I dont understand this??
Also Kas too high?, undoubtly one of the most skilled, but without accomplishments at all.
Also, where is Sen?
This rating is not very good if you ask me, sorry
sib-pelle
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 12:59:35
December 28 2012 12:55 GMT
#57
Scarlett looks pretty hot, Naniwa is hotter. Notice zerg dominance, it's not a coincidence. I'd want to see Liquid recruit Naniwa despite the obvious "image issue".
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Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
December 28 2012 13:11 GMT
#58
I agree with the sentiment that Kas is too high. He surely has an impressive amount of ladder games but it kinda seems as if he is unable to win important matches. I also think that Monchi should be higher than Hasuobs and Socke. I found the German toss players quite disappointing in the recent months.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 13:34:24
December 28 2012 13:34 GMT
#59
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 14:01:11
December 28 2012 13:43 GMT
#60
On December 28 2012 21:22 chimpyman wrote:
can you please explain why Kas is always so high up? he literally has done nothing. ever. but ladder. and lose at lan...

i know he is a great player, but 0 lan results, he shouldnt even be in the top 20-30


Kas: he played pretty well at HSC, wouldnt you agree? If it would be about online performance only, he would be top 5 for sure.
You saying he shouldnt be in the top 30 at all is disqualifying you completly btw^^

NaNiWa: Im not rating skill, the fact that he isnt zerg doesnt give him a bonus. Think about how high u would rate the chances of the top 10 players in a major tournament right now, or when they faced off against each other. Do you really think NaNiWa would have more than 50% against the top5 zergs right now? I don't. Also, he didnt have the biggest LAN wins in the last few months either. I'd like to rate him higher, but zerg is pretty gawd right now. I was thinking about ranks 3 to 6 for very long though, its almost even in my eyes.

SortOf: Some ppl havent seen NASL at all, i assume?

HuK: Pretty OK nasl performance overall, quite OK at MLG as well. Never forget he was a major tournament winner for a long time. And throwing him into a Code A group - dont u think he has quite "OK" (wow im saying this a lot) chances compared to the other foreigners as well? same goes for IdrA btw.

VortiX: You may think he is overrated. But he is in the final of the RSL again, winning 3-0 vs gumiho in the semis (cross-server / online, yes), as well as winning the Thor Open very convincingly (5-0 vs Snute in maps, who showed how GOD he is in ZvZ at HomestoryCup). That was offline btw.

Scarlett:
Her overall performance at IPL5 was insane. Her games look pretty awesome and i dont see any other foreigner who could do better against Code S koreans than her or Stephano.



Also, i'd like to say some words in general:

Keep in mind that its insanely hard to acutally make a ranking. There cant be 15 top10 players or 40 Top30 players, you have to choose wisely. Try it yourself and see how u struggle to rank everything correctly.
When ranking, keep in mind how u would imagine to do someone vs the ppl surrounding him in touranments. Also, compare their chances vs koreans to the chances of other players. Dont look at races, look at how successful you imagine them to be.

Those things are just as actual important as major tournament results of the last month and very hard to judge. I'm happy that the feedback is about 50/50 positive/negative, cuz that shows me i did quite a good job!
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
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