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Being the writer that I am, and having produced nothing substantial anywhere in awhile, I've begun researching and writing bits and pieces for an upcoming article and/or potential series. It will be about breaking down problems, identifying highlights, and offering solutions and viable alternatives, etc...
The purpose of this initial blog though is to garner some extra outside viewpoints. I could go all day discussing my biased opinions on what I think it hampering eSports, or what I think is working personally, but there will invariably be things that I will overlook or not think of.
Incorporating outside ideas will allow me to analyze and research their validity or offer a logical look at why that may or may not be the case.
So I ask fellow TLers:
What is one thing you think is limiting eSports/SC2/X game, be it at the developer level, event level, etc...?
What is one thing you think game/event X is doing right?
I say one because I know some people will be compelled to attach reasoning to their answers, or even possible solutions to the problems. For those that wish make a list of good points and issues, that's fine too.
The more I have written and read about, the more I think this will spill over into a series, so acquiring more info from readers will allow me to see how best to break this series down.
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The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game.
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On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game.
Maybe to you, but obviously not others.
Anyway OP I would definitely say one of the things holding the game back is blizzard to a degree. Their being kinda slow in doing simple tasks like changing out maps every season (we have had the same map pool in WoL ladder for 2-3 seasons in a row now). I think they should be copying a premier leagues map pool, whether that be kespa maps or GSL, IPL. I don't say MLG because they mainly do ladder maps anyway.
For the event one I don't really know what I think they are doing right as there are lots of things they do right and wrong xd.
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It's a hard game, Sure it's not as hard as Broodwar but Broodwar never caught Foreign numbers like SC2 needs to survive outside Korea. The wider majority of people are turned off by harder games, which is why LoL is so popular that and it's F2P model make it perfect and accessible to everyone.
The tournaments have gotten stale with one Race being cut out of tournament due to certain match ups getting harder or easier.
Also this is probably a smaller factor but the ingame solo environment really sucks and for casual gamers it's really unattractive. HOTS should help in a lot of these regards but only time will tell.
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On December 15 2012 08:47 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game. Maybe to you, but obviously not others.
Every post i have read on here about HOTS is saying how dull and uninspiring the new units are.If dedicated fans are expecting a boost to the game when HOTS hits they are in for a rude shock.
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United States10350 Posts
bring back the fast paced game play aspects of scbw vs the usual camp on 2-3 base then timing push.
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On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game.
edgy. i bet you think we have to chance forcefields too
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On December 15 2012 09:03 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game. edgy. i bet you think we have to chance forcefields too
I'm pretty sure everyone realizes by now that anti-micro spells were a bad idea.
OT: I think a lot more people would be willing to try SC2 if the price tag weren't so high. BW was 20 dollars for the battle chest.... 60 bucks is a hefty price for something you may or may not like.
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Technical issues... I think nearly every IPL I've watched, the stream has crashed, the stream keeps lagging, or there's sound issues.
And ya.. I don't find Starcraft II interesting at all =\
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On December 15 2012 08:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 08:47 blade55555 wrote:On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game. Maybe to you, but obviously not others. Every post i have read on here about HOTS is saying how dull and uninspiring the new units are.If dedicated fans are expecting a boost to the game when HOTS hits they are in for a rude shock.
Yeah I doubt it. HOTS is already a lot better then WoL in gameplay and everything. At least in the zvx match ups zergs don't have to turtle all game, games are more back and fourth, more action and deathballs aren't as big of a deal (at least yet).
Still say you may think it's a crappy game but many others don't.
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On December 15 2012 09:12 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:03 polishedturd wrote:On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game. edgy. i bet you think we have to chance forcefields too I'm pretty sure everyone realizes by now that anti-micro spells were a bad idea. OT: I think a lot more people would be willing to try SC2 if the price tag weren't so high. BW was 20 dollars for the battle chest.... 60 bucks is a hefty price for something you may or may not like.
$20 several years after its release. It's not like Starcraft was $20 initially.
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I see it this way:
1. SC2 is trying too hard, lots of forced gimmickery.
2. Blizzard helped to shut down BW in Korea, got bad reputation there.
3. SC2 is an expensive game, both financially and PC requirements.
4. No LAN, incomplete features, only promises.
5. Excessive events, no central organization like BW had with KeSPA.
6. In BW watching high level play (be it a pro game or a TL stream) used to be a treat, in SC2 you don't give 2 shits if a high level player is streaming rightnow because you can watch any high level player at any given time.
7. Dota and LoL are free to play and offer much better user's interfaces and features.
8. The SC2 team is lead by someone who clearly misses what made BW great.
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On December 15 2012 09:17 skyR wrote:
Technical issues... I think nearly every IPL I've watched, the stream has crashed, the stream keeps lagging, or there's sound issues.
And ya.. I don't find Starcraft II interesting at all =\
I find the same problem. The first games on sc2 I've found interesting in months was KT vs EG/TL
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Not going to comment on sc2 because i hate it but I think esports will only grow once it leaves the online word. LANS and local events, barcraft, social events, games that are easy for spectators to watch. A sense of wow I could never do that when you watch pros play.
Honestly if you see something played at a pro level you shouldnt be able to copy it or pull it off after a month or 2 of practice.
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On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game.
Completely agree.
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On December 15 2012 18:21 flashimba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The problem with SC2 is that it is not an interesting game. Completely agree.
Care to elaborate why?
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Vancouver14381 Posts
The main problem I see with SC2 is that it doesn't have a legit competitor to keep Blizzard honest. They have dominated the RTS scene in terms of competitive gaming so there is no alternative for players to turn to if they're not satisfied. Even if Dota 2 and LoL cater to different types of players, they are still in the same genre and can pick things up and try to one up each other. Riot finally added drop in spectating (one of the best features of Dota 2) and Valve added in Halloween textures to their map a month ago (something LoL had for 2 years).
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