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On November 07 2012 17:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 12:32 shizaep wrote:
Yeah, I think that it's an insightful blog. The comparison of the fit person's day and the not fit person's day can be applied to anything, I think. Too often I hear people complain about lack of success for the reasons you mentioned, while simultaneously whining about how parallel people in their life are magically able to find this sort of success.
Yes, there are other factors involved but I'm a strong believer in meritocracy, that you make yourself who you are. I'm not a perfect person but I don't search for excuses.
Good time management, discipline, and various other habits that you force yourself to make are what carry you to success. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions but if you live your life by these principles, you'll be well off. I'll leave you with words I like to think over sometimes:Feel the pain of discipline or feel the pain of regret. Just for reference, eating fairly "clean," this is what it'd take to get to 2200kcal. 1 lb of chicken breast 567 kcal 3 cups of white rice 725 kcal 32 oz 2% milk 488 kcal (goes up or down depending on fat content, obviously) 2 cups of broccoli 50 kcal 10 oz of carrots 99 kcal 8 oz apple 118 kcal (This is a fairly large apple, btw, and that's excluding the core) 1 serving (8 oz) of Greek yogurt (Chobani, Vanilla) 170 kcal That's just a pretty basic sample of how a "clean" eater might eat (except they'd almost certainly substitute brown rice, because it's a "slow carb" despite having a GI and GL value more or less identical to white rice, so it's the same fucking thing). If they did what I suggest in the parenthetical statement, they'd lower the Caloric total by about 60kcal. My guess is that you're not actually eating that much every day. This is why weighing and logging your daily intake, at least for a little while to see what portion sizes are, is an invaluable experience. Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 12:32 shizaep wrote:
Yeah, I think that it's an insightful blog. The comparison of the fit person's day and the not fit person's day can be applied to anything, I think. Too often I hear people complain about lack of success for the reasons you mentioned, while simultaneously whining about how parallel people in their life are magically able to find this sort of success.
Yes, there are other factors involved but I'm a strong believer in meritocracy, that you make yourself who you are. I'm not a perfect person but I don't search for excuses.
Good time management, discipline, and various other habits that you force yourself to make are what carry you to success. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions but if you live your life by these principles, you'll be well off. I'll leave you with words I like to think over sometimes:Feel the pain of discipline or feel the pain of regret. Thanks. This is more or less what I was trying to drive at, and some people kind of nitpicked at certain points. That's probably my fault for not being as clear as I could have been, but I figure that it's obvious that diet is the major determining factor in weight gain/loss, and this wasn't meant to be some sort of guide to health and happiness. I completely agree with this being applicable to all parts of our lives. Using myself as an example, I often get frustrated with my current employment situation (I am tier 2 tech support for an oil company, I do work with gas stations POS and credit systems), because I feel like certain skills that I have are completely underutilized by the role, and that I'm really squandering a lot of talent and intelligence that I could put to better use. (NOTE: I'm not, by any stretch, calling myself a brilliant person, so no one should take it that way). But what's holding me back is that I haven't finished my bachelor's degree. And I get so upset about this, and the lack of financial success that I've had, but it's because I haven't had the willingness to put in the work to get the degrees I want, and use those to get a job that I'd be happy with. I wanted to live the college life, on campus, and party like a mad-man for a while, but the money isn't there for that. So instead of toughing it out, what did I do? I whined about it and never went to school. Finally, after 2-3 years I'm getting back to school, and I plan to double major while working full time. It won't be easy, but if I want to be more successful in the long-term, I need to deal with the hardship and sacrifice now, so that in the future, I'll have the necessary development to be successful as I define success. The most successful people I know, personally and through media, are absolute workaholics. I think of guys like P. Diddy, and all these stars. We look at the glamour they live in, because they're always on tv, but that shit is their work. They're ALWAYS working. The millionaires that I know never stop. They go to bed at midnight, and wake up at 5 am. They sacrifice to have what they desire out of life. It hurts certain areas of their lives (most of them are divorced, and their kids hate them), but this is the life they want. I wouldn't willingly sacrifice some of those things for any amount of money, but I define success differently than them, and that's fine. The point is, if you want something that you don't have, the only person to blame is yourself. People really need to stop looking everywhere else for something to blame for their lack of happiness, and start taking care of it themselves. There's just a complete lack of personal accountability in all areas of life right now, and, imo, that really needs to change.
you aren't held back by not having a bachelor's degree. i have an associates and am doing IT consulting for infrastructure.. performing the work of network admin/engineer.. PM me if you want to talk about how to move up in the world of IT
also, thanks for the blog.. reading something like this occasionally helps me keep motivated to continue hitting the gym and eating right
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On November 07 2012 22:36 Game wrote:
I couldn't disagree with this post more. I haven't read many of the replies because they're lengthy, but the consensus is that you're right. I'm vehemently opposed to your ideas on fat people. While you have nailed a decent percentage of tubs of lard, you're not really considering a good size majority of fat people in relation to fit people. Personally, I play football. I've played football since I was 14. I'm using myself as an example simply because I've seen plenty of 'unfit' people who have meticulous workout and diet plans based on their goal whereas I've also witnessed endless (men) who are fit by social standards but have neither.
I was 6'4 235ish after forcefully gaining weight and working out in 8th grade summer, and since, 10 years later have kept my cardio and muscle mass up (with size increases in height and weight). My bones are probably twice the size of 99% of people who have posted in this blog. Every linemen I know runs at least a 5.5 in the 40 and can lift Honda Civics with their legs, yet has at least 40 pounds of fat in the chest, gut, and thigh area. They can clean more than most men weigh 50 times a day and dead lift over 400 pounds. On the other hand, I've met endless receivers and corners who have problems with long distance running/cardio and can't curl 35lb dumbbells in sets.
Without question, the latter example are extremely fit by your standards. They're skinny, and they're toned. Guess what? They have a six pack, too. However, they're not fit at all. My point is that your generalization of those fat kids who have no shape to them and sweat sitting down in comparison to random skinny guys who actually do no exercise is a scientific observation gone atrocity at best.
Also, for Breaking Bad, don't watch the first 8 episodes of the 5th season... just wait until mid-2013 to catch it all at once. Those 8 episodes are anti-climactic.
I'm already caught up on Breaking Bad. I caught up in like week 3 of season 5.
That said, generalizations apply to the general populace. The fat people you're describing (which would also include guys like power lifters, and strongmen competitors, who are fat, but loaded with muscle mass) are not part of that 68.2% on the bell curve. The people I'm talking about are the people that fit in the 68.2% of the bell curve.
On November 07 2012 23:16 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On November 07 2012 12:32 shizaep wrote:
Yeah, I think that it's an insightful blog. The comparison of the fit person's day and the not fit person's day can be applied to anything, I think. Too often I hear people complain about lack of success for the reasons you mentioned, while simultaneously whining about how parallel people in their life are magically able to find this sort of success.
Yes, there are other factors involved but I'm a strong believer in meritocracy, that you make yourself who you are. I'm not a perfect person but I don't search for excuses.
Good time management, discipline, and various other habits that you force yourself to make are what carry you to success. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions but if you live your life by these principles, you'll be well off. I'll leave you with words I like to think over sometimes:Feel the pain of discipline or feel the pain of regret. Just for reference, eating fairly "clean," this is what it'd take to get to 2200kcal. 1 lb of chicken breast 567 kcal 3 cups of white rice 725 kcal 32 oz 2% milk 488 kcal (goes up or down depending on fat content, obviously) 2 cups of broccoli 50 kcal 10 oz of carrots 99 kcal 8 oz apple 118 kcal (This is a fairly large apple, btw, and that's excluding the core) 1 serving (8 oz) of Greek yogurt (Chobani, Vanilla) 170 kcal That's just a pretty basic sample of how a "clean" eater might eat (except they'd almost certainly substitute brown rice, because it's a "slow carb" despite having a GI and GL value more or less identical to white rice, so it's the same fucking thing). If they did what I suggest in the parenthetical statement, they'd lower the Caloric total by about 60kcal. My guess is that you're not actually eating that much every day. This is why weighing and logging your daily intake, at least for a little while to see what portion sizes are, is an invaluable experience. On November 07 2012 12:32 shizaep wrote:
Yeah, I think that it's an insightful blog. The comparison of the fit person's day and the not fit person's day can be applied to anything, I think. Too often I hear people complain about lack of success for the reasons you mentioned, while simultaneously whining about how parallel people in their life are magically able to find this sort of success.
Yes, there are other factors involved but I'm a strong believer in meritocracy, that you make yourself who you are. I'm not a perfect person but I don't search for excuses.
Good time management, discipline, and various other habits that you force yourself to make are what carry you to success. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions but if you live your life by these principles, you'll be well off. I'll leave you with words I like to think over sometimes:Feel the pain of discipline or feel the pain of regret. Thanks. This is more or less what I was trying to drive at, and some people kind of nitpicked at certain points. That's probably my fault for not being as clear as I could have been, but I figure that it's obvious that diet is the major determining factor in weight gain/loss, and this wasn't meant to be some sort of guide to health and happiness. I completely agree with this being applicable to all parts of our lives. Using myself as an example, I often get frustrated with my current employment situation (I am tier 2 tech support for an oil company, I do work with gas stations POS and credit systems), because I feel like certain skills that I have are completely underutilized by the role, and that I'm really squandering a lot of talent and intelligence that I could put to better use. (NOTE: I'm not, by any stretch, calling myself a brilliant person, so no one should take it that way). But what's holding me back is that I haven't finished my bachelor's degree. And I get so upset about this, and the lack of financial success that I've had, but it's because I haven't had the willingness to put in the work to get the degrees I want, and use those to get a job that I'd be happy with. I wanted to live the college life, on campus, and party like a mad-man for a while, but the money isn't there for that. So instead of toughing it out, what did I do? I whined about it and never went to school. Finally, after 2-3 years I'm getting back to school, and I plan to double major while working full time. It won't be easy, but if I want to be more successful in the long-term, I need to deal with the hardship and sacrifice now, so that in the future, I'll have the necessary development to be successful as I define success. The most successful people I know, personally and through media, are absolute workaholics. I think of guys like P. Diddy, and all these stars. We look at the glamour they live in, because they're always on tv, but that shit is their work. They're ALWAYS working. The millionaires that I know never stop. They go to bed at midnight, and wake up at 5 am. They sacrifice to have what they desire out of life. It hurts certain areas of their lives (most of them are divorced, and their kids hate them), but this is the life they want. I wouldn't willingly sacrifice some of those things for any amount of money, but I define success differently than them, and that's fine. The point is, if you want something that you don't have, the only person to blame is yourself. People really need to stop looking everywhere else for something to blame for their lack of happiness, and start taking care of it themselves. There's just a complete lack of personal accountability in all areas of life right now, and, imo, that really needs to change. you aren't held back by not having a bachelor's degree. i have an associates and am doing IT consulting for infrastructure.. performing the work of network admin/engineer.. PM me if you want to talk about how to move up in the world of IT also, thanks for the blog.. reading something like this occasionally helps me keep motivated to continue hitting the gym and eating right
Thanks for the offer. I am, however, not interested in staying in the IT field. I'm only here because it pays well, and allows me to pay for school, and there are opportunities in this company with the right qualifications. I don't know what it's called at other places, but we call in "Continuous improvement," which may be the popular term for it... I guess it's a lot like business optimization. I'd like to get into that, at a higher level, or possibly project management. The only part of IT that I enjoy is the problem solving/critical thinking aspects of it. In most other ways, I dislike IT work. I find it painfully boring to learn about computers, etc. I just can't bring myself to give a shit. I wish I could, because it's a great line of work to get into, and it's a great skill to have regardless of profession, but I just don't have any desire to learn about this stuff.
My current school path is to get a bachelor's in English, with a business minor, then complete an MBA. I have to talk to the MBA admins at the university I'm enrolled in to see exactly how to progress with this, but what I would like to do, as far as career choice is concerned, without a bachelor's I'm going to be overlooked on a lot of things. There are some experienced, talented people that I currently work with facing the same problem. Some of them are better suited for certain roles that they get passed up on, because of the lack of a degree. That's a massive failure on the part of management for not recognizing talent, in my opinion, but (as I understand it) this is something plaguing many big corporations.
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It's not that your OP is actually wrong, but it's completely without any kind of compassion, maturity or understanding most people's lives. Yes, people make all kinds of excuses, when actually it is lifestyle choices that determine how slender most people are.
On the other hand, being too focussed on looks is immature and shallow. Don't judge a person's worth by how attractive they are.
Many adult people actually do have stressful and busy lives. Many people don't have money or time to hit the gym every day. It might be hard for you to imagine this. Many people are also caught in a circle of depression which is the result of lack of exercise and not being outside enough, which then makes it harder to do regular exercise.
In life, don't be someone who looks down on the pathetic, unattractive lazy fat people. Be someone who tells the truth, but have some compassion. Be a motivator and give people some of your positive energy to go out and improve themselves.
Putting people down and blaming them will rarely help people improve themselves
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On November 02 2012 08:02 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 07:21 tehemperorer wrote:On November 02 2012 07:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
It has been fairly accurate for me. I exercise 1 hour every day (swim) and cook my own meal and eat very healthy.
My weight was 145 pounds, now I moved it to around 141 pounds and it's pretty steady now.
I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I feel I gained muscle and lost fat, but overall my weight is constant throughout the past 2 years.
You COULD change it extremely but it's very stressful. 141? Damn man how old are you? :D What is surprising about 141, especially without a height context? If he is 6'2", yea thats pretty light, but if he is like 5'8" it's just a normal weight, and if he is like 5'0" he has some muscle or is a bit chunky. Weight by itself doesn't tell us much. Show nested quote +I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I have no idea what this means. If people are stuck at 220, you don't think they can drop to 180? Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 07:01 Snuggles wrote:
Great read.
I'm gonna eat a fat greasy hamburger and some fries after this. Then I'm gonna head to the gym, throw some plates on to the bar on the squat rack. Put that bitch on my back and work out hard. So while you're sitting a table away from me watching me gorge myself with food and feeling annoyed that I'm not as overweight as you are, there are things that are happening behind the scenes that allow me to eat the way I do.
I love being fit, you don't have to starve yourself in order to lose weight. Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. Just get to the gym, get em gains, and eat. Plus when you're lifting weights, you can eat several hundred calories above your required bodily amount just to maintain you weight. But of course if you overeat you're gonna get fat, but at that point you're basically force feeding yourself (of course it depends on your temperament with food). Going to the gym and doing compound lifts is going to make you a happy man if you love to eat. This is probably at least 25% of the reason why I run alot. So I can down a tremendous amount of food and not gain weight. I love food, and running 75+ miles per week let's me eat somewhat close to anything I want without having to give a shit. To be honest if your goal is to eat as much as you want endurance exercise is the way to go. A super intense strength training session might burn 300-500 calories. Decent, but doesn't compare to a good run or bike where it's easy to burn in excess of 1500-2000+ calories. Show nested quote +Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. I smell bullshit here, or I should say, an opinion. I just don't feel that something like + Show Spoiler [Distance Guy] + or even + Show Spoiler [this] + looks any better or worse than + Show Spoiler [this] +. Maybe you have a preference for one look versus the other
if you actually get a weightlifter and a runner side by side IRL then one of them is going to feel and appear a lot more powerful than the other. weightlifters dont just appear to be physically dominating huge, strong and powerful; they also feel physically dominant, strong and powerful. both men and women love this.
few people want to look like a tennis player/runner, who looks like he could be snapped in half by another man and cant even stack some boxes onto a lorry or lift a rock, and who has to cower in fear at any sign of physical intimidation because he will be flattened in any confrontation or sport that doesnt involve running away.
all the asian girls like skinny asisn pretty boys who weigh 40kg, but they sure arent impressed by their bodies when they take their tops off in bed or at the beach.
OP why dont you just work on building some fucking muscle for 2 years straight before you even think about cutting. set a target like 150kg squat/120 bench and then cut when you reach that
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On November 14 2012 00:07 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 08:02 L_Master wrote:On November 02 2012 07:21 tehemperorer wrote:On November 02 2012 07:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
It has been fairly accurate for me. I exercise 1 hour every day (swim) and cook my own meal and eat very healthy.
My weight was 145 pounds, now I moved it to around 141 pounds and it's pretty steady now.
I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I feel I gained muscle and lost fat, but overall my weight is constant throughout the past 2 years.
You COULD change it extremely but it's very stressful. 141? Damn man how old are you? :D What is surprising about 141, especially without a height context? If he is 6'2", yea thats pretty light, but if he is like 5'8" it's just a normal weight, and if he is like 5'0" he has some muscle or is a bit chunky. Weight by itself doesn't tell us much. I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I have no idea what this means. If people are stuck at 220, you don't think they can drop to 180? On November 02 2012 07:01 Snuggles wrote:
Great read.
I'm gonna eat a fat greasy hamburger and some fries after this. Then I'm gonna head to the gym, throw some plates on to the bar on the squat rack. Put that bitch on my back and work out hard. So while you're sitting a table away from me watching me gorge myself with food and feeling annoyed that I'm not as overweight as you are, there are things that are happening behind the scenes that allow me to eat the way I do.
I love being fit, you don't have to starve yourself in order to lose weight. Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. Just get to the gym, get em gains, and eat. Plus when you're lifting weights, you can eat several hundred calories above your required bodily amount just to maintain you weight. But of course if you overeat you're gonna get fat, but at that point you're basically force feeding yourself (of course it depends on your temperament with food). Going to the gym and doing compound lifts is going to make you a happy man if you love to eat. This is probably at least 25% of the reason why I run alot. So I can down a tremendous amount of food and not gain weight. I love food, and running 75+ miles per week let's me eat somewhat close to anything I want without having to give a shit. To be honest if your goal is to eat as much as you want endurance exercise is the way to go. A super intense strength training session might burn 300-500 calories. Decent, but doesn't compare to a good run or bike where it's easy to burn in excess of 1500-2000+ calories. Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. I smell bullshit here, or I should say, an opinion. I just don't feel that something like + Show Spoiler [Distance Guy] + or even + Show Spoiler [this] + looks any better or worse than + Show Spoiler [this] +. Maybe you have a preference for one look versus the other if you actually get a weightlifter and a runner side by side IRL then one of them is going to feel and appear a lot more powerful than the other. weightlifters dont just appear to be physically dominating huge, strong and powerful; they also feel physically dominant, strong and powerful. both men and women love this.
That's very subjective, maybe in primitive times but that might not even be the case considering runners are much better hunters. Or put a skinny boss who manages a big company next to a weight lifting janitor or huge cafeteria worker and ask them who feels more powerful.
Your size and muscle mass says nothing about powe in an interaction.
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I guess I fall under the category of "few people". I've never been interested in spending 20% of every day lifting weights so I can lift more weights so others can extrapolate that I must be a tough guy.
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On November 14 2012 00:07 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 08:02 L_Master wrote:On November 02 2012 07:21 tehemperorer wrote:On November 02 2012 07:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
It has been fairly accurate for me. I exercise 1 hour every day (swim) and cook my own meal and eat very healthy.
My weight was 145 pounds, now I moved it to around 141 pounds and it's pretty steady now.
I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I feel I gained muscle and lost fat, but overall my weight is constant throughout the past 2 years.
You COULD change it extremely but it's very stressful. 141? Damn man how old are you? :D What is surprising about 141, especially without a height context? If he is 6'2", yea thats pretty light, but if he is like 5'8" it's just a normal weight, and if he is like 5'0" he has some muscle or is a bit chunky. Weight by itself doesn't tell us much. I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I have no idea what this means. If people are stuck at 220, you don't think they can drop to 180? On November 02 2012 07:01 Snuggles wrote:
Great read.
I'm gonna eat a fat greasy hamburger and some fries after this. Then I'm gonna head to the gym, throw some plates on to the bar on the squat rack. Put that bitch on my back and work out hard. So while you're sitting a table away from me watching me gorge myself with food and feeling annoyed that I'm not as overweight as you are, there are things that are happening behind the scenes that allow me to eat the way I do.
I love being fit, you don't have to starve yourself in order to lose weight. Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. Just get to the gym, get em gains, and eat. Plus when you're lifting weights, you can eat several hundred calories above your required bodily amount just to maintain you weight. But of course if you overeat you're gonna get fat, but at that point you're basically force feeding yourself (of course it depends on your temperament with food). Going to the gym and doing compound lifts is going to make you a happy man if you love to eat. This is probably at least 25% of the reason why I run alot. So I can down a tremendous amount of food and not gain weight. I love food, and running 75+ miles per week let's me eat somewhat close to anything I want without having to give a shit. To be honest if your goal is to eat as much as you want endurance exercise is the way to go. A super intense strength training session might burn 300-500 calories. Decent, but doesn't compare to a good run or bike where it's easy to burn in excess of 1500-2000+ calories. Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. I smell bullshit here, or I should say, an opinion. I just don't feel that something like + Show Spoiler [Distance Guy] + or even + Show Spoiler [this] + looks any better or worse than + Show Spoiler [this] +. Maybe you have a preference for one look versus the other if you actually get a weightlifter and a runner side by side IRL then one of them is going to feel and appear a lot more powerful than the other. weightlifters dont just appear to be physically dominating huge, strong and powerful; they also feel physically dominant, strong and powerful. both men and women love this. few people want to look like a tennis player/runner, who looks like he could be snapped in half by another man and cant even stack some boxes onto a lorry or lift a rock, and who has to cower in fear at any sign of physical intimidation because he will be flattened in any confrontation or sport that doesnt involve running away. all the asian girls like skinny asisn pretty boys who weigh 40kg, but they sure arent impressed by their bodies when they take their tops off in bed or at the beach. OP why dont you just work on building some fucking muscle for 2 years straight before you even think about cutting. set a target like 150kg squat/120 bench and then cut when you reach that
Take your shirt off next to one another. Typically, the tennis player will probably have the better defined body (and definition = sexiness). If you're strong, but you have a good layer of fat over all your muscles, you just look fat.
Anyway, both groups are relatively healthy and are viewed as relatively attractive, it's not a competition. Why are you making mountains out of molehills?
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On November 14 2012 02:04 Probe1 wrote:
I guess I fall under the category of "few people". I've never been interested in spending 20% of every day lifting weights so I can lift more weights so others can extrapolate that I must be a tough guy.
That's cause 20% of every day is a fucking lot lol. I will say that I've been lifting 5-6 days a week for over 4 years now, and I have had my strength come into pronounced usefulness only twice, both of which are largely due to the Ohio State off campus phenomena of punk ass kids looking for a fight. Now that I live in the real world, I work out only because it makes me feel good. To each their own!
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We're after the same end game. I jog because it makes me feel good. I've just never had a reason in my life to wish I was stronger :p
So the whole psychobabble about dominating appearance seems.. kinda what muscleheads tell other muscleheads to encourage them to be muscleheads.
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On November 13 2012 12:48 deathly rat wrote:
It's not that your OP is actually wrong, but it's completely without any kind of compassion, maturity or understanding most people's lives. Yes, people make all kinds of excuses, when actually it is lifestyle choices that determine how slender most people are.
On the other hand, being too focussed on looks is immature and shallow. Don't judge a person's worth by how attractive they are.
Many adult people actually do have stressful and busy lives. Many people don't have money or time to hit the gym every day. It might be hard for you to imagine this. Many people are also caught in a circle of depression which is the result of lack of exercise and not being outside enough, which then makes it harder to do regular exercise.
In life, don't be someone who looks down on the pathetic, unattractive lazy fat people. Be someone who tells the truth, but have some compassion. Be a motivator and give people some of your positive energy to go out and improve themselves.
Putting people down and blaming them will rarely help people improve themselves
This is a great post.
Honesty and compassion are desirable qualities.
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On November 13 2012 12:48 deathly rat wrote:
It's not that your OP is actually wrong, but it's completely without any kind of compassion, maturity or understanding most people's lives. Yes, people make all kinds of excuses, when actually it is lifestyle choices that determine how slender most people are.
On the other hand, being too focussed on looks is immature and shallow. Don't judge a person's worth by how attractive they are.
Many adult people actually do have stressful and busy lives. Many people don't have money or time to hit the gym every day. It might be hard for you to imagine this. Many people are also caught in a circle of depression which is the result of lack of exercise and not being outside enough, which then makes it harder to do regular exercise.
In life, don't be someone who looks down on the pathetic, unattractive lazy fat people. Be someone who tells the truth, but have some compassion. Be a motivator and give people some of your positive energy to go out and improve themselves.
Putting people down and blaming them will rarely help people improve themselves
Yet on the other hand, we've had how many years of telling people to accept themselves as they are, and yadda yadda, and what we've gotten ourselves is a bunch of people that are literally eating themselves to death. I say literally because all the over eating leads to them having DMII, CVD, strokes, etc. At some point we need to be brutally honest with people, and let them know it is within their control.
Being fit isn't just about looking good. It's about being healthy as well. By and large, people are not willing to take accountability for their lives, and this is especially true when it comes to their fitness levels. I wasn't making up those examples that I gave, those are real people that I know who say those very things, then eat every meal as if it were their last.
The purpose of the post wasn't to say "work out, you fat fucks," it was to say "take accountability for your life." If you took it another way, you missed the point. You can be healthy and never lift a weight, or spend a minute on the treadmill. I used the word fit, and included physical attractiveness, because being physically attractive typically has positive psychological benefits. The point of the post is to say that it is within each individuals control to not be fat though.
For what it's worth, a particularly overweight friend of mine has started working out and dieting in the last couple of weeks, and credited my rant on FB as motivation to do so. Sometimes taking the kid-gloves off is exactly what's needed. We have plenty of people like Tyra Banks letting everyone know that it's okay to be fat, because it's totally not their fault, and they're beautiful inside, which is what counts. To some degree this is a good thing, because encouraging eating disorders to the opposite extreme is equally bad. At some point, we need to stop coddling though, and stop allowing excuses and bullshit reasons for being fat. I don't know what it's like in the UK, but over here, all we get is messages for pills and magic cures for fatness, because it's totally not our fault that we're fat. It's genetics, it's stress, it's a bunch of crap. Over here, we're bombarded every day from various media outlets with excuses for being fat. At some point, we need to stop with this, and just be honest about why we are where we are.
You don't have to work out for several hours every day, and look like a Greek god/goddess. 20-30 minutes of movement coupled with a smarter eating plan is enough to be healthy, and fairly fit. Don't worry about the semantics of the argument as much as the general purpose of the statements. It IS within a person's control to not be obese; it's nothing more than making better choices.
When I was fat, I used to look at my fit friends (substitute the word healthy, if you'd like, or skinny, or just not fat, whatever word you like more) and what they'd eat, and think "Jeez, this guy is in such great shape, he could easily afford to eat 18 boneless wings and some potato wedges... he'll burn it right off anyway!" What never dawned on me, as a fat person, was that the entire reason he wasn't as fat as me is BECAUSE he didn't eat 18 boneless wings and a side of potato wedges, and he didn't wash down his food with a full-sugar cola, and have dessert, and beer afterward. He was fit because he ate right, and worked out. I worked out too, but I ate like an asshole and got fat. I blamed it on everything but my poor eating habits. I know the mentality of a fat person, and all the excuses they make, because I've been there. I've told people "I eat hardly anything, and I gain ten pounds like it's nothing." But what did I find when I started to track the Calories? That I was consuming FAR more than I ever imagined. Now I wish someone would have just been honest with me. I wish everyone would have stopped telling me that I looked good, that I was just big boned, that it was just baby fat (when I was younger, this was often an excuse). I wish someone would have just fucking told me "stop eating so much, and move more. You'll never not be fat if you eat cupcakes and play video games all day." So if this is too mean for you, I'm sorry, but sometimes people need a wake up call, and wake up calls are hardly ever nice, because it sucks to be told you've been doing it wrong your whole life.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 14 2012 00:07 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 08:02 L_Master wrote:On November 02 2012 07:21 tehemperorer wrote:On November 02 2012 07:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
It has been fairly accurate for me. I exercise 1 hour every day (swim) and cook my own meal and eat very healthy.
My weight was 145 pounds, now I moved it to around 141 pounds and it's pretty steady now.
I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I feel I gained muscle and lost fat, but overall my weight is constant throughout the past 2 years.
You COULD change it extremely but it's very stressful. 141? Damn man how old are you? :D What is surprising about 141, especially without a height context? If he is 6'2", yea thats pretty light, but if he is like 5'8" it's just a normal weight, and if he is like 5'0" he has some muscle or is a bit chunky. Weight by itself doesn't tell us much. I think in general you can't really change weight per-se, but you can change your composition. I have no idea what this means. If people are stuck at 220, you don't think they can drop to 180? On November 02 2012 07:01 Snuggles wrote:
Great read.
I'm gonna eat a fat greasy hamburger and some fries after this. Then I'm gonna head to the gym, throw some plates on to the bar on the squat rack. Put that bitch on my back and work out hard. So while you're sitting a table away from me watching me gorge myself with food and feeling annoyed that I'm not as overweight as you are, there are things that are happening behind the scenes that allow me to eat the way I do.
I love being fit, you don't have to starve yourself in order to lose weight. Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. Just get to the gym, get em gains, and eat. Plus when you're lifting weights, you can eat several hundred calories above your required bodily amount just to maintain you weight. But of course if you overeat you're gonna get fat, but at that point you're basically force feeding yourself (of course it depends on your temperament with food). Going to the gym and doing compound lifts is going to make you a happy man if you love to eat. This is probably at least 25% of the reason why I run alot. So I can down a tremendous amount of food and not gain weight. I love food, and running 75+ miles per week let's me eat somewhat close to anything I want without having to give a shit. To be honest if your goal is to eat as much as you want endurance exercise is the way to go. A super intense strength training session might burn 300-500 calories. Decent, but doesn't compare to a good run or bike where it's easy to burn in excess of 1500-2000+ calories. Even all you did was diet (which I used to do) you'll never actually look as good as a man with some muscle on his body. I smell bullshit here, or I should say, an opinion. I just don't feel that something like + Show Spoiler [Distance Guy] + or even + Show Spoiler [this] + looks any better or worse than + Show Spoiler [this] +. Maybe you have a preference for one look versus the other if you actually get a weightlifter and a runner side by side IRL then one of them is going to feel and appear a lot more powerful than the other. weightlifters dont just appear to be physically dominating huge, strong and powerful; they also feel physically dominant, strong and powerful. both men and women love this. few people want to look like a tennis player/runner, who looks like he could be snapped in half by another man and cant even stack some boxes onto a lorry or lift a rock, and who has to cower in fear at any sign of physical intimidation because he will be flattened in any confrontation or sport that doesnt involve running away. all the asian girls like skinny asisn pretty boys who weigh 40kg, but they sure arent impressed by their bodies when they take their tops off in bed or at the beach. OP why dont you just work on building some fucking muscle for 2 years straight before you even think about cutting. set a target like 150kg squat/120 bench and then cut when you reach that
Done it already. I squatted 345x3, benched 265, and DL'ed 405 (lbs not kg, don't feel like doing the conversions). I ate like an asshole and got fat though, so I've been cutting for the last eight or nine months now. Right now I bench like 205, squat as high as 295, and DL like... probably 335 is my current max. Measurement-wise, I'm at 14.25" biceps, I think 12.5" forearms, 42" chest, ~25" thighs, 15.75" calves. My neck is around 16" last I checked, but that was some time ago... probably around 15.5" now. I weigh 180 lbs (give or take some water weight), at about 12.5% body fat. I want to get to about 9% body fat with slightly more muscle mass.
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ic, it just blows my mind you would take weight loss drug like that when you already have the discipline to work out properly like that
theres a guy in my college class, he gives the impression that he has the self-entitled lack of accountability you mention. he seems genuinely nice but always constantly vocal about how nothing is ever his fault, including "suddenly" inexplicably putting on weight and developing diabetes
what is annoying is how sooooooooooo many people think they are exercising and eating well when really they're not. in minimum wage jobs where you are standing or walking & bending for 6-8 hours solid , by the end of the shift it feels like you're exhausted and have done enough exercise for a year. people always say "i do enough exercise at work" but really its not exercise, theyre just sadly exhausting themselves every day
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On November 14 2012 16:24 FFGenerations wrote:
ic, it just blows my mind you would take weight loss drug like that when you already have the discipline to work out properly like that
theres a guy in my college class, he gives the impression that he has the self-entitled lack of accountability you mention. he seems genuinely nice but always constantly vocal about how nothing is ever his fault, including "suddenly" inexplicably putting on weight and developing diabetes
what is annoying is how sooooooooooo many people think they are exercising and eating well when really they're not. in minimum wage jobs where you are standing or walking & bending for 6-8 hours solid , by the end of the shift it feels like you're exhausted and have done enough exercise for a year. people always say "i do enough exercise at work" but really its not exercise, theyre just sadly exhausting themselves every day
It isn't training but it's certainly exercise. You don't have to move record breaking weights to be healthy, but you do have to move.
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