EPTWhile in weightlifting, following the Starting Strength program, when you finish your sets in good form with good bar speed that means you can up your weight without fear, which is instant gratification. Plus once you slap on those 45 lb plates its a huge ego boost. Something like that is just not possible in running without being reckless as you've said, and it will also take more time than in weightlifting in order to up your mileage.
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
While in weightlifting, following the Starting Strength program, when you finish your sets in good form with good bar speed that means you can up your weight without fear, which is instant gratification. Plus once you slap on those 45 lb plates its a huge ego boost. Something like that is just not possible in running without being reckless as you've said, and it will also take more time than in weightlifting in order to up your mileage. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
That guy at the bottom did a thing where he went from super ripped, to fat (added like 90lbs) and then back again in 6 months to show it could be done with the right knowledge and execution. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
![[image loading]](http://xb9.xanga.com/068f6b7533132266855680/b212865426.jpg) This is the "true" skinny to me. When you body has used up all your fat is forced to use your muscle in order to stay alive. If you look around, people are typically skinny fat. They don't exercise, and they don't have a diet, so that equals no muscle gain, and no fat loss. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:23 Snuggles wrote: Running is a different joy I think. I've gone from running an exasperating 15 min/mile to an easy skip of 10 min/mile so I'm still quite a novice at running despite my improvements. But from my experience it seems that I really really enjoy that feeling you get in the middle of the run or towards the end of the run where you suddenly feel like you're flying and all the fatigue goes away (is this the Runner's high?). Then you just don't want to stop running but you have to because you've got other things to do during the day. While in weightlifting, following the Starting Strength program, when you finish your sets in good form with good bar speed that means you can up your weight without fear, which is instant gratification. Plus once you slap on those 45 lb plates its a huge ego boost. Something like that is just not possible in running without being reckless as you've said, and it will also take more time than in weightlifting in order to up your mileage. That is DEFINITELY a part of it. Runs like that are absolutely fantastic and it truly is an awesome feeling, as are other runs like a well executed tempo run. Another part of it, that only gets better as you improve is that feeling of just plain running and moving fast. For me there is nothing like just getting out and moving fast, feeling the ground skimming away under my feet. It's just this visceral feeling; the wind on your face, the ground under your feet. I just as alive and as present as possible. Not to mention the ego trip when your cruising good and come flying past a cyclist. Another huge aspect of running that I love too is the feeling of invincibility. I literally do not, seemingly cannot, get tired without going out and doing a significant amount of aerobic work. A 5-6 mile slow jog at like 8:00-8:30 min/mile pace is the kind of thing that leaves me refreshed and more energetic than before. It's sorta hard to explain but bottom line is you really do start getting to a point where you cannot get tired unless you go and do a bunch of running that day. While in weightlifting, following the Starting Strength program, when you finish your sets in good form with good bar speed that means you can up your weight without fear, which is instant gratification. Plus once you slap on those 45 lb plates its a huge ego boost. Something like that is just not possible in running without being reckless as you've said, and it will also take more time than in weightlifting in order to up your mileage. Pretty much agree with this. Before I ran I was somewhat into lifting and yea it definitely has some more instant gratification than running. In strength training when you add weight to the bar it's there. You see it. Everyone else sees it. You know you moved up. In running it's almost imperceptible improvements as you gradually get faster. It isn't noticed day to day, or week to week; but eventually you do kinda realize holy shit I'm running so much faster at an easier effort than before. But like you said its long term. Also, holy fuck yes does it feel badass when you do get up to your first time using 45s, or first time using double 45s, or w.e. Almost makes you feel like the fucking king (at least until that guy loads up 6 45s on both sides and starts squatting  ). | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 03 2012 05:25 Mstring wrote: I think that if you need stimulants to workout then you're not worthy of the title "fit". Isn't it funny how caffeine and the like are sneaking into more and more products? Why does everyone need all this stimulating? Maybe the fact that less than 10% of total calories consumed in the US comes from fruits and vegetables has something to do with it. Caffeine actually has been decently studied and is shown to slightly improve results in endurance races. Now if you need to rely on stuff like that for every workout you do...then yea there is probably an issue. | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
On November 03 2012 06:24 L_Master wrote: Caffeine actually has been decently studied and is shown to slightly improve results in endurance races. Now if you need to rely on stuff like that for every workout you do...then yea there is probably an issue. Take a look around next time you're in public. People rely on this stuff for basic functioning not just to workout. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 03 2012 07:17 Mstring wrote: Take a look around next time you're in public. People rely on this stuff for basic functioning not just to workout. I honestly think that is more for the mental side, but I agree completely. I cannot say however, that I have talk with lots of people who use stimulant products to get through the physical part of the day. Some of this may be related to the ever increasing hours/stress levels, not to mention the fact that people get less and less physical activity on a daily basis and obviously plenty eat very poorly. Combine that all together and I think you have a recipe for why so many people need (or think they need anyway) caffeine and such to get through the day. | ||
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romans
Australia18 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On November 03 2012 07:17 Mstring wrote: Take a look around next time you're in public. People rely on this stuff for basic functioning not just to workout. Personally, especially now that I'm working third shift, work takes its toll on my energy levels. But I've had issues with lethargy and lack of energy pretty much my whole life. I can sleep for 14 hours and go back to sleep in 5, dead fucking tired, regardless of my diet. I've tried many, many remedies (eating changes, b12 supplements, etc), nothing really works for me. So I use a lot of stimulants. I'm sure there is a chemical reason for this, but I keep forgetting to make an appt with an endo. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 03 2012 22:43 Spicy_Curry wrote: Im curious, when you lose 50 lbs, what happens to all that skin? You cant just trim it off. I lost about 40 and have no problems with excess skin. I'm not sure 40-50 pounds of stretching is really an issue. You don't add tons of skin, when you get fat you do fill up all your cells that can store fat which pushes the skin out and stretches it but the body doesn't layer on massive amounts of new skin to compensate. Over time the skin eventually tightens back up as well. | ||
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forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:24 L_Master wrote: I lost about 40 and have no problems with excess skin. I'm not sure 40-50 pounds of stretching is really an issue. You don't add tons of skin, when you get fat you do fill up all your cells that can store fat which pushes the skin out and stretches it but the body doesn't layer on massive amounts of new skin to compensate. Over time the skin eventually tightens back up as well. Yeah, I've lost over 100 lbs, and my skin is just fine. Granted, I have a couple of stretch marks, but nothing gross or prominent. I think the main thing here is the time you give your body to adjust to the weight loss. I lost this weight over a period of about 4 years. I also have a tendency to drop/gain in large chunks, sometimes losing up to 3 lbs in a day. This meant a lot of fluctuation on a cheat day or sometimes week, where'd I'd gain 10-15lbs, and then lose it all rather quickly. My food babies also get pretty big, so my skin must be used to the differences by now. | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
5' 10", 145 lbs, Chinese descent, no exercise I'm skinny but not fit at all only specific diet activities I follow are rarely drinking sugary fluids and rarely eating candy/chocolates/desserts but that is more for teeth health than weight watching pretty sure I intake 2K+ calories a day | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Yes, there are other factors involved but I'm a strong believer in meritocracy, that you make yourself who you are. I'm not a perfect person but I don't search for excuses. Good time management, discipline, and various other habits that you force yourself to make are what carry you to success. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions but if you live your life by these principles, you'll be well off. I'll leave you with words I like to think over sometimes:Feel the pain of discipline or feel the pain of regret. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3291 Posts
Im 5 seven and weight about 158 lbs. When I did wrestling I was about 140 lbs. Im not skinny but Im not quite a bigger guy. However high school was really big change weight wise. I was 5'3 and weighed 164 lbs and at the end of High school i was 5'7 and weighed 148 lbs. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On November 07 2012 12:32 shizaep wrote: Yeah, I think that it's an insightful blog. The comparison of the fit person's day and the not fit person's day can be applied to anything, I think. Too often I hear people complain about lack of success for the reasons you mentioned, while simultaneously whining about how parallel people in their life are magically able to find this sort of success. Yes, there are other factors involved but I'm a strong believer in meritocracy, that you make yourself who you are. I'm not a perfect person but I don't search for excuses. Good time management, discipline, and various other habits that you force yourself to make are what carry you to success. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions but if you live your life by these principles, you'll be well off. I'll leave you with words I like to think over sometimes:Feel the pain of discipline or feel the pain of regret. Just for reference, eating fairly "clean," this is what it'd take to get to 2200kcal. 1 lb of chicken breast 567 kcal 3 cups of white rice 725 kcal 32 oz 2% milk 488 kcal (goes up or down depending on fat content, obviously) 2 cups of broccoli 50 kcal 10 oz of carrots 99 kcal 8 oz apple 118 kcal (This is a fairly large apple, btw, and that's excluding the core) 1 serving (8 oz) of Greek yogurt (Chobani, Vanilla) 170 kcal That's just a pretty basic sample of how a "clean" eater might eat (except they'd almost certainly substitute brown rice, because it's a "slow carb" despite having a GI and GL value more or less identical to white rice, so it's the same fucking thing). If they did what I suggest in the parenthetical statement, they'd lower the Caloric total by about 60kcal. My guess is that you're not actually eating that much every day. This is why weighing and logging your daily intake, at least for a little while to see what portion sizes are, is an invaluable experience. On November 07 2012 12:32 shizaep wrote: Yeah, I think that it's an insightful blog. The comparison of the fit person's day and the not fit person's day can be applied to anything, I think. Too often I hear people complain about lack of success for the reasons you mentioned, while simultaneously whining about how parallel people in their life are magically able to find this sort of success. Yes, there are other factors involved but I'm a strong believer in meritocracy, that you make yourself who you are. I'm not a perfect person but I don't search for excuses. Good time management, discipline, and various other habits that you force yourself to make are what carry you to success. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions but if you live your life by these principles, you'll be well off. I'll leave you with words I like to think over sometimes:Feel the pain of discipline or feel the pain of regret. Thanks. This is more or less what I was trying to drive at, and some people kind of nitpicked at certain points. That's probably my fault for not being as clear as I could have been, but I figure that it's obvious that diet is the major determining factor in weight gain/loss, and this wasn't meant to be some sort of guide to health and happiness. I completely agree with this being applicable to all parts of our lives. Using myself as an example, I often get frustrated with my current employment situation (I am tier 2 tech support for an oil company, I do work with gas stations POS and credit systems), because I feel like certain skills that I have are completely underutilized by the role, and that I'm really squandering a lot of talent and intelligence that I could put to better use. (NOTE: I'm not, by any stretch, calling myself a brilliant person, so no one should take it that way). But what's holding me back is that I haven't finished my bachelor's degree. And I get so upset about this, and the lack of financial success that I've had, but it's because I haven't had the willingness to put in the work to get the degrees I want, and use those to get a job that I'd be happy with. I wanted to live the college life, on campus, and party like a mad-man for a while, but the money isn't there for that. So instead of toughing it out, what did I do? I whined about it and never went to school. Finally, after 2-3 years I'm getting back to school, and I plan to double major while working full time. It won't be easy, but if I want to be more successful in the long-term, I need to deal with the hardship and sacrifice now, so that in the future, I'll have the necessary development to be successful as I define success. The most successful people I know, personally and through media, are absolute workaholics. I think of guys like P. Diddy, and all these stars. We look at the glamour they live in, because they're always on tv, but that shit is their work. They're ALWAYS working. The millionaires that I know never stop. They go to bed at midnight, and wake up at 5 am. They sacrifice to have what they desire out of life. It hurts certain areas of their lives (most of them are divorced, and their kids hate them), but this is the life they want. I wouldn't willingly sacrifice some of those things for any amount of money, but I define success differently than them, and that's fine. The point is, if you want something that you don't have, the only person to blame is yourself. People really need to stop looking everywhere else for something to blame for their lack of happiness, and start taking care of it themselves. There's just a complete lack of personal accountability in all areas of life right now, and, imo, that really needs to change. | ||
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Game
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I was 6'4 235ish after forcefully gaining weight and working out in 8th grade summer, and since, 10 years later have kept my cardio and muscle mass up (with size increases in height and weight). My bones are probably twice the size of 99% of people who have posted in this blog. Every linemen I know runs at least a 5.5 in the 40 and can lift Honda Civics with their legs, yet has at least 40 pounds of fat in the chest, gut, and thigh area. They can clean more than most men weigh 50 times a day and dead lift over 400 pounds. On the other hand, I've met endless receivers and corners who have problems with long distance running/cardio and can't curl 35lb dumbbells in sets. Without question, the latter example are extremely fit by your standards. They're skinny, and they're toned. Guess what? They have a six pack, too. However, they're not fit at all. My point is that your generalization of those fat kids who have no shape to them and sweat sitting down in comparison to random skinny guys who actually do no exercise is a scientific observation gone atrocity at best. Also, for Breaking Bad, don't watch the first 8 episodes of the 5th season... just wait until mid-2013 to catch it all at once. Those 8 episodes are anti-climactic. | ||
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