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On November 02 2012 05:26 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 04:54 ieatkids5 wrote:On November 02 2012 03:46 Motiva wrote:
I think this is a myth that needs to be destroyed. A single Big Mac meal is what? $5 or so? Six pounds of chicken is roughly $12 at Wal-Mart. A head of lettuce is $1.50, add in some more vegetables, and maybe you're at $5 worth of veggies. Salad dressing of your choice = $2.50 (for the off brand stuff). 2 lbs of sirloin tip is $12. Liquid egg whites are $3.88/carton (large carton), and eggs are like $1.50. So now we're at roughly $30. If you want to throw in some potatoes or something, it's a couple dollars more, let's say you find some crap you want for another $5 (a bag of shredded cheese and marinade), and then you buy a snack food for another $5. That's roughly $40, and I can eat for the entire week (this is actually my meal plan, basically, for most weeks), 3 meals a day. For $40 I get 2 2/3 days of eating at McDonald's. The difference is that I have to cook this food, and at McDonald's it's already there, and it tastes SOOOO good.
For the most part you are right, but 3 big mac meals or whatever $5 worth of food at mcdonalds on average most likely is more calorie dense, so it's not quite as you say (calorie/$)... There is also the opportunity cost and mundane nature of buying bulk and eating the same thing every day..... That said, I totally agree... T he real myth is that to eat healthy you have to spend a lot of money. To eat perfectly, perhaps. Albiet your Wal-Mart Prices are alittle higher than I'd imagine, and I'd also wager a Big Mac Meal is closer to $6 though McDouble Cheeseburgers are still 99cents :D Wait what? We just established that buying your own healthy groceries is cheaper than eating out. We are talking about which method is healthier, not which method is more caloric dense. Whether something is caloric dense or not isn't what we were talking about. If anything, if our goal is to stay healthy and not get fat, then eating foods that are less caloric dense is better. Besides, how caloric dense something is has nothing to do with how full you feel after eating it. In any case: eating out: more expensive, more caloric dense (you get fatter), unhealthy, takes less time cooking: less expensive, less caloric dense (although you certainly have caloric dense options if you need the extra calories, let's say, if you're bulking), healthy, takes some time (once you get good at cooking and establish a routine, it really doesn't take much time at all) i eat out maybe twice a week (fri and sat with friends). i cook my own food all other times, and i don't eat the same stuff everyday. my diet might be something like: day1 breakfast: oatmeal, eggs, banana, apple, milk lunch: chicken thighs, asparagus and mushrooms, bit of white rice dinner: fish (cod, sole, tuna, etc), broccoli, pasta or bread snacks: almonds, sunflower seeds day2 breakfast: bagel with cheese, apple, orange juice, grapes lunch: pork chops, collard greens, brown and red rice mix dinner: beef stew (chuck roast beef, carrots, celery, onions) snacks: avocado, fruit etc etc. these are only some of the options. not to mention all the different ways of preparing the same type of food. cooking is fucking awesome. i can make food however i want it, as much salt as i want (usually none), no nasty greasy vegetable oil, and i feel great eating it. edit - it's not a matter of cost. buying groceries is cheaper, period. if you're gonna be eating shit like double cheeseburgers at mcdonalds, you might as well compare that to only eating white rice. in fact, take the money you'd spend buying mcdonalds and get ground beef, cabbage, and white rice in bulk. cheaper, healthier, and fills you up just the same. the problem is that people don't want to change, or they think that eating out is cheaper. I wasn't necessarily arguing that one or the other was cheaper.... Both at their cheapest are very cheap... Also just because something has been established in a thread doesn't mean it's not a myth regardless?  Food Inc and several other documentaries used this line of reasoning on why people eat so unhealthily in America... Not even just Fast food, but Grocery stores as well... I don't really think McDonalds is relevant, it's like the Hitler of Food, it's the easy to illustrate go-to example of obvious mistakes in nutrition. It's hyperbolic if anyone is actually concerned about anything we're discussing... Obviously intentional choice by lemon So I'm not really sure if we were discussing which one is healthier since McDonalds vs Healthy Store Bought food is obvious... I was more talking about the rest of the thread about caloric restriction, and how in his example he compared a 3,000 calorie diet with a 1,500 one for the same price. (throwing random numbers up, <3) I dunno, You keep saying "we" but I can't find your posts in this thread so forgive me if I am indeed missing something, I must admit confusion
Well, we're actually discussing both. I think the original statement was that McDonald's contains high Caloric levels, and is cheap, so people buy it and become fat. It was, imo, implied that it actually costs more to eat a low Calorie, store bought food plan (a "healthy" one).
Even in terms of Caloric density, substitute a light dressing for a full fat one and use more. Or add like two tbsp of Olive Oil (240 Calories) to a salad or something. There are ways to do it for very little money.
Granted, as someone pointed out, this doesn't include the opportunity cost of cooking vs whatever else it is that people might do. Some people may come home and spend their time with their kids, or something that they find more value in, so they go for the pre-made route. To those people I say: just eat less of what you're eating... walk away from the table a bit less full than usual.
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I want to work out more to shape up, but after a few days it's just demotivating and boring to be honest.
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No comment except this study.
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These days... saying you are working out (Gym) almost means something bad instead of something good.
I can see it in people faces.
-He has nothing better to do
-He does it for the attention(girls)
-I bet he is taking something
-12 hours per week ? You could have been doing so many other things.
WELL FUCK YOU
Great read op , but do not put Skinny & fit on the same sentence. Beeing skinny is equally bad to beeing fat.
It is all about sacrifices and mainly.. time. The problem is people start with the wrong expectations and goals. I come from the skinny side.. i was 1.90m tall and like 70kg. But the worst & best is that my metabolism has a great time. I sweat even when i am sleeping for fucks sake.
When i first started going to the gym , i said to myself you are 20 atm there are your goals at the age of 25. You tell people it is going to take more than a couple of years and they all freak out. Problem is everyone is aiming at a certain goal and not a lifestyle.
Everybody is differnet and so will be their workout routines/diet. You can't get mad if you see a person eating 7 meals a day and not get fat, in the same way you can't get mad at a person who eats half your food and packs on twice the muscle !
Everyone has strong points and weaknesses.
If i can give one advice.. it is all about Time managent :
Find 2 activities in a day that are a must and plan everything else around them.
OH also. You can't force yourself into something, for exampe a diet.
Let's say you are fat and you decide to eat a little bit better and ofc workout (Fit = Pain & sweat so f*** these only diet thingies). You will lose weight and be happy, but somewhere along the way this will stop. You will be troubled..then do a bit of research and BOOM you will find a diet plan , and ofc you will follow it because you already like the result of your previous sacrifices so you will naturally do more in order to achieve more.
Works the same way with supplements ,new routines and everything. You can't force everything from the start.. you need to give the needs some time to appear.
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On November 02 2012 09:08 kaiz0ku wrote:
These days... saying you are working out (Gym) almost means something bad instead of something good.
I can see it in people faces.
-He has nothing better to do
-He does it for the attention(girls)
-I bet he is taking something
-12 hours per week ? You could have been doing so many other things.
WELL FUCK YOU
Hahaha, great rebuttal ;p But consider this: If you didn't feel the need to tell other people about it, don't you think you wouldn't get those kinds of answers? I consider it just a lifestyle choice if someone doesn't bother telling others about it, but if you have to tell others about it, then maybe there's some truth to the looks you're getting ;p Sometimes it comes up when scheduling with someone, but if you are scheduling with someone they probably already have an ok opinion of you and won't give you a weird look for your routine unless you say it with smugness.
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Beeing skinny is equally bad to beeing fat.
Oh boy lol.
You meant anorexic. Not skinny. Skinny is just thin. Not grossly underweight.
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On November 02 2012 09:19 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 09:08 kaiz0ku wrote:
These days... saying you are working out (Gym) almost means something bad instead of something good.
I can see it in people faces.
-He has nothing better to do
-He does it for the attention(girls)
-I bet he is taking something
-12 hours per week ? You could have been doing so many other things.
WELL FUCK YOU Hahaha, great rebuttal ;p But consider this: If you didn't feel the need to tell other people about it, don't you think you wouldn't get those kinds of answers? I consider it just a lifestyle choice if someone doesn't bother telling others about it, but if you have to tell others about it, then maybe there's some truth to the looks you're getting ;p Sometimes it comes up when scheduling with someone, but if you are scheduling with someone they probably already have an ok opinion of you and won't give you a weird look for your routine unless you say it with smugness.
Sorry sorry i didn't mean i go and tell them ofc !
But it comes up here and there.. when making plans or just plain conversations.
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On November 02 2012 09:30 Probe1 wrote:Oh boy lol. You meant anorexic. Not skinny. Skinny is just thin. Not grossly underweight.
Skinny tends to have a negative connotation associated with it though in my experience. Skinny to me generally implies someone who is bordering on unhealthily low weight. I personally think a better word to use for what we are trying to say is lean. To me anyway, that conjures images of people with healthy body compositions.
The other problem here is the shift in what is perceived as normal in society. In America 70% of the country is overweight, and approaching 40% are obese. Thats crazy. People are so used to seeing big people that truly normal people are being seen as odd or outliers. People that tend to fall in the 20-21 range of BMI are very often told they should eat more or that they are too skinny. Folks, that's a normal weight.
Really one has only to look at elite runners to get an idea of how absurdly far in the wrong direction we have gone. I've seen plenty of comments about top runners with people saying they "look like they are starving" or "need to eat more" or are "unhealthy". To me that's mind-blowing that we have gotten to the point where the epitome of physical aerobic conditioning is seen as unhealthy. That shows how warped our perspective has become, that we can look at some of the healthiest people on the planet and because they are so out of place with society at large see it as unhealthy.
Seriously, step back and think about that for a second. It scares me a little to be honest.
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Talk to Husky. I've watched that kid eat 12k calories a day for a week, with no effect. Your generalization may ring true for some, but not all.
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People that tend to fall in the 20-21 range of BMI are very often told they should eat more or that they are too skinny. Folks, that's a normal weight.
LOL story of my fucking life.
I think it is a big rebound from 70s-90s when so many girls were anorexic / bulimic, that people went to the other extreme where now anyone who isn't chubby isn't eating enough. People are so dumb.
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12k calories a day.
Lol. You could have at least picked a reasonable number.
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On November 02 2012 10:30 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +People that tend to fall in the 20-21 range of BMI are very often told they should eat more or that they are too skinny. Folks, that's a normal weight. LOL story of my fucking life.
Yep, same here now that I went from 5'8" 190 -> 145-150ish. Especially when I mention I probably will need to gradually shift 5-10 pounds lighter to be at an ideal racing weight.
It amuses me cause I really don't even look thin. I have no six pack, a hint of love handles, etc. and still get told by some people (though usually its not healthier than average college populations) that I am too skinny.
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I'm not sure what alien world you live on but here in my section of Earth the only people that use skinny as an insult are the delusionally obese. No girl in my entire life has seen me take my shirt off and said "Oh garoosss you're not fat or ripped like jesus!?"
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On November 02 2012 10:30 L_Master wrote:
12k calories a day.
Lol. You could have at least picked a reasonable number.
I'm serious... In-N-Out + Taco Bell for 8 meals...
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Hey man, I got nothing against that look, although I would have to say I prefer to have some more muscle mass.
Well from my first post I really meant guys who do NOTHING but diet. I don't know exactly how the science of it all works but I feel people who just diet and don't do any form of exercise, have little definition to their body. On the other hand great distance runners like you and those guys in the picture are comfortably feeding yourselves, so this leads me to think that the nutrients you're getting may be helping you maintain your muscles to a better degree. Complete broscience out of my hat though lol, the power of observation can only do so much.
And on burning calories yeah distance running is great. If you're hauling ass and doing 6 or 7 miles a day, that's a huge amount calories gone, plus you could keep going if you wanted to. You're getting in 75 miles a week, you're in a different league man, I shudder to think about what you would have to eat in order to not die haha. While weightlifting there's all that rest time, you're shredding your muscle fibers and spending calories to repair them but at a certain threshold running is just gonna out class lifting in direct calories burnt. I ran too! (TL Running Thread FTW) But doing both forms of activities burns too many calories so I gave up running... as much as I love food, the thought of eating an extra 1 - 2 meals everyday just to keep your weight is nauseating. And of course it depends on how your body takes in food.
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Fuck you fat people and your problems. I get shit all the time for being skinny too. Guys tell me to eat more, girls ask how I eat so much without gaining weight, fat people telling me "it's okay for you since you're skinny". So much for exercise and maintaining a decent diet (which isn't as difficult as you'd think).
On November 02 2012 08:40 Aelonius wrote:
I want to work out more to shape up, but after a few days it's just demotivating and boring to be honest.
Consistency is more important than quantity. Try just doing 1 set of crunches and 1 set of pushups (as many as you can until you feel tired) every morning when you get up. It'll probably take less than 5 minutes per day and by the end of the first month you'll start seeing and feeling results.
TBH a lot of fitness trainers or people who work out always try to push people to work out very hard, which is oftentimes just too much for those just starting out. It IS boring and quite unnecessary. It's best to just have the "something is better than nothing" mindset.
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On November 02 2012 10:38 Probe1 wrote:
I'm not sure what alien world you live on but here in my section of Earth the only people that use skinny as an insult are the delusionally obese. No girl in my entire life has seen me take my shirt off and said "Oh garoosss you're not fat or ripped like jesus!?"
Delusionally obese. I'm gonna steal that bit of poetic gold, thank you very much.
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On November 02 2012 10:39 forgotten0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 10:30 L_Master wrote:
12k calories a day.
Lol. You could have at least picked a reasonable number. I'm serious... In-N-Out + Taco Bell for 8 meals...
Alright, my bad. Alot of people talk out of their ass or have no clue how many calories are actually in food, but if he was seriously eating 8 meals a day of fast food for a week then it's quite possible that got well upwards of 10k calories.
Was there a reason he ate this way rofl? I can't say I've run into anyone with that type of eating behavior.
On November 02 2012 10:38 Probe1 wrote:
I'm not sure what alien world you live on but here in my section of Earth the only people that use skinny as an insult are the delusionally obese. No girl in my entire life has seen me take my shirt off and said "Oh garoosss you're not fat or ripped like jesus!?"
It's probably less used with guys, but when I hear people talk about being skinny it's almost always in the context of "he's too skinny for me" or "she is too skinny to look healthy/be attractive". When people are talking about body types that look good I usually hear things like "ripped", "toned", "lean", "shredded", "muscular", etc.
While weightlifting there's all that rest time, you're shredding your muscle fibers and spending calories to repair them but at a certain threshold running is just gonna out class lifting in direct calories burnt.
Yea, honestly if your goal is just losing weight and looking better; primarily weight lifting is the way to go. It helps much more than endurance exercise to change body composition, and until you start being able to do alot of it (which can take a while for out of shape people) weightlifting probably burns more calories, especially when you consider the boost in metabolism from it. Not to mention it's good for the confidence too. Pretty easy for a big guy to go in and throw up some decent weight squatting/benching/etc. but to go run all day and be like "finally broke 14 minutes for the mile!" doesn't do the same for the ego.
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On November 02 2012 10:32 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 10:30 Chef wrote:People that tend to fall in the 20-21 range of BMI are very often told they should eat more or that they are too skinny. Folks, that's a normal weight. LOL story of my fucking life. Yep, same here now that I went from 5'8" 190 -> 145-150ish. Especially when I mention I probably will need to gradually shift 5-10 pounds lighter to be at an ideal racing weight. It amuses me cause I really don't even look thin. I have no six pack, a hint of love handles, etc. and still get told by some people (though usually its not healthier than average college populations) that I am too skinny.
Dude, I get this ALL the time now. What kills me is how they tell me I should eat more because I'm going to burn it off anyway, because of that magical metabolism that I have. Fuck off, seriously. I'm fairly certain that I'm bigger than the average male at 5'9", but I'm told to eat more.
That said, I'm definitely not happy enough with my physique to post pictures of myself right now. So to whoever suggested that idea: no. I'm also dealing with some back injuries that are keeping me out of the gym, and from most physical activity in general.
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