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I've recently noticed something about the way people view skinny and/or fit people... people that aren't fat. I've been on both sides of this coin: most of my life I've been pretty fat. By most objective standards, I'm no longer fat, but I think I had the same viewpoint as most people when I was fat. Admittedly, I used some substances (read about my usage in my near-death experience post: DUMB) to help me get down to where I am now (180 lbs, 12% body fat.. no abs :[ ), but the substances never did the work for me. I spent hours in the gym while running a slightly modified PSMF (protein sparing modified fast [that's a lot of modifications!). I ate less than 1400 Calories a day, many days between 900-1200 Calories for about four months. I lifted three times a week, and walked five miles a day three times a week. There was no shortage of ass-busting going on in my quest for a six pack (which I am still on, minus the substance and extreme dieting: it's not practical for long term success)... but I digress.
The idea is that fit people can eat whatever they'd like, and they just magically burn off the Calories, because of a "high metabolism." What they never bother to notice is the decisions that person makes with eating and activity. While the fat person goes home and says "Fuck, I'm too tired to go to the gym and work out," and then pounds down half a bag of potato chips and half a pint of ice cream. The fit person says "Fuck, I'm tired and really don't want to work out," then pounds some sort of stimulant/pre-workout and does it anyway. Then they go home and have a high protein meal, and (if they're like me) they weigh everything they eat and track it meticulously so that they don't go over their Calorie allotment for the day.
The difference in the majority of fit people and fat people is not some magical combination of genetics that give them ridiculous level NEAT (Non-exercise Associated Thermogenesis --although those people exist, and we all hate them), and it's usually not from drug/steroid usage; it's the choices they make: it's priorities.
Fat people often want to make the excuse that they don't have enough time in the day to work out; the fit person must have all the time in the world to go to the gym. If the fat person didn't have to spend eight hours a day at work, and three hours commuting every day, well they'd spend that time in the gym and be JACKED. Wrong. They talk about how little time they have to prepare meals after a long day at work. Every now and then one of them will slip up and say they "just don't feel like cooking." Most people don't feel like cooking. I almost never feel like cooking. There's time to be had, even if you have to cook in bulk (brilliant idea, btw). The irony is that the fit guy next to them at work has the exact same shift, and a similar travel schedule, but they find time! Maybe fit people also have a magical potion that gives them more than 24 hours in the day.
You have more time than you think. Examine your daily routine. Does the fat person watch TV, movies, or play video games? Probably so. Could the fat person, instead, go to the gym? Of course they could. I'd say it's about sacrifice, but today, it's hardly even about that. How many of them own tablets and laptops? Probably a high percentage... could they take that with them to the gym, and walk while watching their shows? Yes, without a doubt (To note, this is how I caught up on four seasons of Breaking Bad, and several hours of Dexter and Walking Dead).
Unless you're one of less than 1.5% of the country, you're not fat because you're genetically impaired: You're fat because you're lazy. Getting fit isn't easy, and it doesn't happen overnight (I've personally gone from 225 lbs to as low as 169 lbs, and I STILL haven't gotten a six pack), but anyone can do it. Being fit is about being willing to make yourself uncomfortable, and pushing yourself through those moments when you feel like curling up with some junk food and watching a movie. It's about priorities; it's about sacrifice. If you're not willing to give up something in order to have good health, and an image that you can be proud of, then quit your bitching and continue to be fat. If you're happy being fat, awesome! If you're unhappy being fat, quit stuffing your face all day. Eat less, and move more: you'll lose weight, I promise. Most of you are too ugly to ever be a super model, but you can most certainly achieve a better look than obesity.
http://www.lolroflmao.com/2012/02/18/why-are-you-so-fat-its-genetics/
 
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Hmm, I don't really disagree with anything you say however I think you're over estimating the role of exercise... I'm certainly no health expert but from what I remember from health class like a decade ago, if your body is processing carbohydrates for energy and never uses the fat stored on your body you, how can you use it? Isn't the key here to induce some form of fat-utilization by the body?
I mean sure, if you exercise you will burn carbohydrates and run out and then burn fat, and thus lose weight assuming the calorie burned/gained ratio allows.... So just a "proper" diet can "easily" lose weight... and I don't mean diet like Jenny Craig, I mean diet like, culturally. Hence the popularity of low carb diets as well... but it's like you said it's really all about life-style changes and discipline. I don't disagree or anything, I just think the emphasis on excercise and protein for muscle building it's own paradigm aside from simply being "healthy person"
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I agree with you 100%. It takes a while and maybe even your own transformation to realize the many points you have mentioned. Very nice blog!
I just wanted to comment about your wanting of abs. Abs are like an extra to being healthy and definitely not a necessary. You have to work them out separately and also work out your back to get the abs to show.
On a personal note: Since you mention you have gone from 225lbs -> 170lbs, I have a question because I am in the process of dropping from 225lbs -> 180lbs. I was wondering how fast it takes if I eat around 1500 calories and work out every weekday (no weekends). I am at 198lbs right now and was wondering if it was possible to get to 180lbs by Thanksgiving. Or is 190lbs a more reasonable goal?
Also what was your thought process for 170-180lb end goal? Is it because it is considered healthy by doctors? Do you look fit? I wanted to lose weight to get my face skinnier as my main goal. Is there a significant difference in face from losing weight? I know face loses weight much slower than your stomach for example.
Thanks again for the blog!
Anyone can answer this by the way. Appreciate your input since I am on my to being healthy!
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I'll agree that some larger people just don't want to put in the time, but by the same token, "skinny" people erroneously judge us bigger people based on our size with little regard for what we actually do.
I personally know workout-type people that hit the gym almost everyday, are ripped or are working towards getting ripped, doing their calorie counting, and their protein shakes etc... I also know average people that are able to eat 3000+ calories a day and not gain any weight whatsoever. Does that make them good or bad, or proactive or lazy? No, that's just their lifestyle that they want.
Skinny people, or people that workout cause it makes them appear better than others do the misappropriation of what fat people do (unless of course the fat person is complaining or divulging information). They don't actually know whether they're dieting and exercising, or making healthy meals, etc...
They also don't even take into account whether that person actually is pretty healthy and fit medically speaking. Believe it or not, "fat" people can actually be relatively healthy. Source.
I speak from my personal experience, but there's no way I'm alone. I have a diabetic (among other issues she has) mother who was skinny until more medical complications affected her weight. She had me and I was born at 10 lbs. and 10 ounces. I was a big baby, and that "extra" weight has never really went away.
I've been playing sports my entire life; played hockey every winter since I was four years old. Mixed soccer and baseball over the rest of my childhood and teenage years. Played on multiple teams throughout elementary and high school. I still play ball hockey three seasons of the year (usually 3-4 games per week) on top of a physical job five days a week and an occasional 3km run.
I also don't eat crazily bad, but I don't eat amazingly healthy either, and my weight has never fluctuated at all. The only time it ever did was when I did a period of a 3km route every single night, and that weight drop was most likely simply from my body being dehydrated.
I'm 5'9" and 240 lbs (pics for reference 1, 2). Medically, I have no problems, and none of my tests have ever indicated an issue (though I've never asked to be checked regarding a genetic component) and in general, I've been told my health is better than a lot of "average" people. I'm not defined in the least, and that leads to a lot of people's assumptions about my composition as well as others.
It was a nice post, and hopefully it motivates some people, but it's not always that simple.
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On November 01 2012 22:46 Motiva wrote:
Hmm, I don't really disagree with anything you say however I think you're over estimating the role of exercise... I'm certainly no health expert but from what I remember from health class like a decade ago, if your body is processing carbohydrates for energy and never uses the fat stored on your body you, how can you use it? Isn't the key here to induce some form of fat-utilization by the body?
I mean sure, if you exercise you will burn carbohydrates and run out and then burn fat, and thus lose weight assuming the calorie burned/gained ratio allows.... So just a "proper" diet can "easily" lose weight... and I don't mean diet like Jenny Craig, I mean diet like, culturally. Hence the popularity of low carb diets as well... but it's like you said it's really all about life-style changes and discipline. I don't disagree or anything, I just think the emphasis on excercise and protein for muscle building it's own paradigm aside from simply being "healthy person"
"Eat less, and move more: you'll lose weight, I promise."
Carbs vs fat vs protein... if you have too much of any of them, you'll be fat. If you use fewer Calories than you eat every day, you'll get fat. If you use more Calories than you eat every day, you'll lose weight. This is the basis of it. I'm only stating this because you talked about carbs for energy, etc, and it's rather irrelevant what your source of energy is. You couldn't eat enough protein to get fat, because of the high satiety of protein. Like if you're on a 2000 kcal diet, that's 500 g Protein every day, if you were to try to eat purely protein. Not only is that not cost effective, it's really hard to eat that much protein every day at a normal weight (bigger people probably can). It's just too satiating.
But, while I understand how your perspective comes about, I most certainly do not over estimate the importance (or worth) of exercise.
While the fat person goes home and says "Fuck, I'm too tired to go to the gym and work out," and then pounds down half a bag of potato chips and half a pint of ice cream. The fit person says "Fuck, I'm tired and really don't want to work out," then pounds some sort of stimulant/pre-workout and does it anyway. Then they go home and have a high protein meal, and (if they're like me) they weigh everything they eat and track it meticulously so that they don't go over their Calorie allotment for the day.
In other words, one person moves less and eats shit; one person moves more and eats well. I also had the bit about food preparation. So, just to be clear, I'm not at all overlooking the importance of diet. Diet is a much higher percentage of the work than the actual physical work is. It's very possible to eat well and lose weight, and have a healthy body weight, etc. It's not very likely to be able to out exercise an absolute shit diet (although, I imagine some of the more physically demanding jobs will allow for crappier eating). You probably won't be jacked from just eating well (since you'll never really build any of that gorgeous muscle we all want), but you won't be a fatty mcfat fat either.
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also OP, My friend mentioned that if you eat less (like you are talking about) it slows down your metabolism therefore not even helping you out in the long run. As soon as you stop working out, you gain all the weight back because you slowed your metablolism. Have you encountered this problem?
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On November 01 2012 22:52 needcomputer wrote:
I agree with you 100%. It takes a while and maybe even your own transformation to realize the many points you have mentioned. Very nice blog!
I just wanted to comment about your wanting of abs. Abs are like an extra to being healthy and definitely not a necessary. You have to work them out separately and also work out your back to get the abs to show.
On a personal note: Since you mention you have gone from 225lbs -> 170lbs, I have a question because I am in the process of dropping from 225lbs -> 180lbs. I was wondering how fast it takes if I eat around 1500 calories and work out every weekday (no weekends). I am at 198lbs right now and was wondering if it was possible to get to 180lbs by Thanksgiving. Or is 190lbs a more reasonable goal?
Also what was your thought process for 170-180lb end goal? Is it because it is considered healthy by doctors? Do you look fit? I wanted to lose weight to get my face skinnier as my main goal. Is there a significant difference in face from losing weight? I know face loses weight much slower than your stomach for example.
Thanks again for the blog!
Anyone can answer this by the way. Appreciate your input since I am on my to being healthy!
I'm not really sure. I pounded DNP at as high as 800mg/ED before I stupidly bumped up to 1.2g and landed in the ICU for a day. Three weeks or so isn't a ton of time to drop 18 lbs. You may lose that, but probably half is going to be water weight, I think. Once you carb up, your weight will spike because you'll have replenished glycogen stores in your muscles (this is what the "depleted" look means, you've depleted glycogen stores).
Figure that to lose 18 lbs of pure fat, you'll need to burn 63,000 Calories. Then also consider that you likely won't be burning 100% fat. Muscle is 600 Calories/lb. Figuring, by Lyle McDonald's standards, that you'd need 198*15 to stay at 198 lbs, that's 2970 Calories/Day. So you'd be at 1470 deficit just from diet, and maybe a few hundred extra from exercise (so figure maybe 18-1900/day?). By those calculations (which are very rough and don't account for much, like metabolic slow down, etc) that would take 35 days. Lyle is also where I got the 600 Calories/lb of muscle measurement, but I can't find that link. Calculating Calories is linked below though.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-to-estimate-maintenance-caloric-intake.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/lean-mass-or-total-weight-to-set-calories.html
On November 01 2012 22:59 needcomputer wrote:
also OP, My friend mentioned that if you eat less (like you are talking about) it slows down your metabolism therefore not even helping you out in the long run. As soon as you stop working out, you gain all the weight back because you slowed your metablolism. Have you encountered this problem?
Metabolic rate will always slow down when you lose weight. It takes more energy to run a body that weighs 200lbs than it does to run a body that weighs 150lbs. This is irrelevant. Your maintenance Caloric levels lower as you lose weight. Your appetite may not, but this is where self-control comes in. I imagine that, eventually, your stomach will shrink and you won't be as hungry all the time. From what I know of your body's setpoint, it doesn't ever come down, but I somewhat find that hard to believe, given that people lose weight and keep it off for years. I have nothing to back up my position, and I don't think there's a whole lot of work that's been done on setpoint, so it's all mental wanking anyway. The point is that what your friend is saying is irrelevant. If you go back to eating the way you used to eat (which got you fat in the first place), then yes, you will get fat. If you continue to eat at reasonable levels, you won't. So far, I've been at 180 (give or take a few lbs) for about three months. I haven't had issues with hunger or weight gain.
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On November 01 2012 22:54 divito wrote:I'll agree that some larger people just don't want to put in the time, but by the same token, "skinny" people erroneously judge us bigger people based on our size with little regard for what we actually do. I personally know workout-type people that hit the gym almost everyday, are ripped or are working towards getting ripped, doing their calorie counting, and their protein shakes etc... I also know average people that are able to eat 3000+ calories a day and not gain any weight whatsoever. Does that make them good or bad, or proactive or lazy? No, that's just their lifestyle that they want. Skinny people, or people that workout cause it makes them appear better than others do the misappropriation of what fat people do (unless of course the fat person is complaining or divulging information). They don't actually know whether they're dieting and exercising, or making healthy meals, etc... They also don't even take into account whether that person actually is pretty healthy and fit medically speaking. Believe it or not, "fat" people can actually be relatively healthy. Source. I speak from my personal experience, but there's no way I'm alone. I have a diabetic (among other issues she has) mother who was skinny until more medical complications affected her weight. She had me and I was born at 10 lbs. and 10 ounces. I was a big baby, and that "extra" weight has never really went away. I've been playing sports my entire life; played hockey every winter since I was four years old. Mixed soccer and baseball over the rest of my childhood and teenage years. Played on multiple teams throughout elementary and high school. I still play ball hockey three seasons of the year (usually 3-4 games per week) on top of a physical job five days a week and an occasional 3km run. I also don't eat crazily bad, but I don't eat amazingly healthy either, and my weight has never fluctuated at all. The only time it ever did was when I did a period of a 3km route every single night, and that weight drop was most likely simply from my body being dehydrated. I'm 5'9" and 240 lbs (pics for reference 1, 2). Medically, I have no problems, and none of my tests have ever indicated an issue (though I've never asked to be checked regarding a genetic component) and in general, I've been told my health is better than a lot of "average" people. I'm not defined in the least, and that leads to a lot of people's assumptions about my composition as well as others. It was a nice post, and hopefully it motivates some people, but it's not always that simple.
I assume your mother was DM1, not DM2, right? That's genetic, not much can be done to help that. Many cases of DM2 are almost entirely reversible with a diet and exercise regiment that promotes weight and fat loss. There are lots of reasons for this, most of which I'm not nearly qualified enough to comment on.
You look like you're about 18-20% body fat, which is not obese. You're not even really fat, you're just a bigger guy. Could you be less fat? I think both of us would agree that you could. You're obviously not trying to be less fat, but I think if you did try to be less fat, you could lose some fat. You admit to not really watching what you eat, but I imagine if you actually sat down and mapped out a 2000 Calorie diet you'd find yourself losing weight fairly quickly. It's also entirely possible that you have some genetic problem that causes you to be mildly overweight. Thyroid issues cause weight gain of something like 15-20 lbs in most people. If you stripped 20 lbs of fat off of your body, you'd be fairly lean. Your body type and size is almost exactly what I came down from: I'm also 5'9".
Either way, you're happy with your size, and that's awesome. If a fat person is happy with their size, and they're not unhealthy (or if they are and don't give a fuck), then that's awesome too. I don't particularly care if people are fat or not, but I am a bit tired of hearing the fatties complain about being fat while putting in absolutely zero effort to lose the fat. They claim they have "fat genetics," and then FB post about what kind of midnight snack to make that night, right after the one say "SO TIRED! Skipping the treadmill tonight." These are the people that I'm talking about (this was a FB post of mine, to begin with, minus the admittance of using drugs, ha).
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I only mentioned carbs I suppose because that's what the standard american diet is... the govt subsidizes corn and all that you know i'm sure obviously regardless of where you're from.... So most people run off of carbs and almost never burn the fat.... I don't wanna pull random numbers out of my ass but here I go :D lol, The human body only stores so many carbs for future use at a time, like 2,000 calories, but can do something like 80x that in fat? I dunno exact numbers.. I'm referring to people with large amounts of fat stored on a primarily carb based diet. (the avg american) but yeee I'm sure you know more about this than me, don't take this as argumentation, just edification and conversation :D
I guess I really only disagree with your point that muscles are gorgeous and we all want that... I've had sufficient strength since i was 15 for anything I've ever had to do and certainly don't need to be fit to find a mate let alone have muscles... It's like you say in another post in the thread, it's all about being happy with your health/size
yada yada tis just rephrasing of my initial intent, It's not like you're saying anything that is false, It's just a double sided coin, and not being obsessed with your health when healthy is healthy.  (definitely not saying people with healthy exercise routines are obsessing, perhaps hyperbolic hi5)
I suppose I just have had a lot of experience with people obsessed with their weight that exercise a lot and "pretend" to manage their diets. i.e. bulemic girlfriend years ago that would eat well all day, exercise, and then cram 200 carbs down their throat at some weak point, or insisted on eating giant American restaurant meals. When we started dating i was 170 and went to 210 in about a year. Participating in her "diet" LOL It's just a joke. On the other side of the coin I know people who simply went from fast-food and microwave popcorn/burritos to a clean paleo diet and lost all the weight without lifting a finger. I suppose It's just whatever works for you, some people want muscles or like the endorphins from exercise, some people are content and just don't want to die diabetic.
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On November 01 2012 22:24 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
It's about priorities; it's about sacrifice. If you're not willing to give up something in order to have good health, and an image that you can be proud of, then quit your bitching and continue to be fat. If you're happy being fat, awesome! If you're unhappy being fat, quit stuffing your face all day. Eat less, and move more: you'll lose weight, I promise. Most of you are too ugly to ever be a super model, but you can most certainly achieve a better look than obesity.
In this only sentence, you have made an okayish blog into an awesome one! So rare to see people with this attitude these days.
I am quite fat and I know it is because I am not doing anything against it. But it is not just about being "lazy" - it's about the general approach to life. I am definitely not willing to calculate calories or to follow a diet, because I absolutely hate doing anything routnely or systematically (I also refuse to have a normal job with fixed hours for this reason). I am also not willing to do anything just for the sake of working out (because I would get bored to death). The only thing that saves me from being a big sperical blob of fat is that I love nature and exploring the outdoors and that forces me to walk/bike/paddle to get to the places I wanna be.
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On November 01 2012 23:42 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 22:24 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
It's about priorities; it's about sacrifice. If you're not willing to give up something in order to have good health, and an image that you can be proud of, then quit your bitching and continue to be fat. If you're happy being fat, awesome! If you're unhappy being fat, quit stuffing your face all day. Eat less, and move more: you'll lose weight, I promise. Most of you are too ugly to ever be a super model, but you can most certainly achieve a better look than obesity. In this only sentence, you have made an okayish blog into an awesome one! So rare to see people with this attitude these days. I am quite fat and I know it is because I am not doing anything against it. But it is not just about being "lazy" - it's about the general approach to life. I am definitely not willing to calculate calories or to follow a diet, because I absolutely hate doing anything routnely or systematically (I also refuse to have a normal job with fixed hours for this reason). I am also not willing to do anything just for the sake of working out (because I would get bored to death). The only thing that saves me from being a big sperical blob of fat is that I love nature and exploring the outdoors and that forces me to walk/bike/paddle to get to the places I wanna be.
Thanks. Yeah, I think that's cool. I have plenty of fat friends that are completely satisfied being fat. I don't care... I'm certainly not here to judge people's physiques (mine isn't even that good, imo). I guess the whole point of this is to say, "do what makes you happy, but if you're unhappy, quit whining and do something about it."
On November 01 2012 23:30 Motiva wrote:I only mentioned carbs I suppose because that's what the standard american diet is... the govt subsidizes corn and all that you know i'm sure obviously regardless of where you're from.... So most people run off of carbs and almost never burn the fat.... I don't wanna pull random numbers out of my ass but here I go :D lol, The human body only stores so many carbs for future use at a time, like 2,000 calories, but can do something like 80x that in fat? I dunno exact numbers.. I'm referring to people with large amounts of fat stored on a primarily carb based diet. (the avg american) but yeee I'm sure you know more about this than me, don't take this as argumentation, just edification and conversation :D I guess I really only disagree with your point that muscles are gorgeous and we all want that... I've had sufficient strength since i was 15 for anything I've ever had to do and certainly don't need to be fit to find a mate let alone have muscles... It's like you say in another post in the thread, it's all about being happy with your health/size yada yada tis just rephrasing of my initial intent, It's not like you're saying anything that is false, It's just a double sided coin, and not being obsessed with your health when healthy is healthy. (definitely not saying people with healthy exercise routines are obsessing, perhaps hyperbolic hi5) I suppose I just have had a lot of experience with people obsessed with their weight that exercise a lot and "pretend" to manage their diets. i.e. bulemic girlfriend years ago that would eat well all day, exercise, and then cram 200 carbs down their throat at some weak point, or insisted on eating giant American restaurant meals. When we started dating i was 170 and went to 210 in about a year. Participating in her "diet" LOL It's just a joke. On the other side of the coin I know people who simply went from fast-food and microwave popcorn/burritos to a clean paleo diet and lost all the weight without lifting a finger. I suppose It's just whatever works for you, some people want muscles or like the endorphins from exercise, some people are content and just don't want to die diabetic.
Yeah, muscles aren't for everyone I guess. Some people like not having them, some people like to look like Ronnie Coleman (not my style, personally). Whatever makes you happy.
I think the amount of carbs that your muscles store is significantly lower than 2000 kcal. Fat seems to be pretty much endless though, from what I can tell (see: Half-ton people). Carbs rarely turn into fat though, but if you eat a high Calorie diet, it probably includes fat, and if you're intaking excess Calories, your body will store the fat that it takes in. Carbs have to undergo a process called Gluconeogenesis (I think that's right), which is pretty rare in humans. From what I've read, you'd have to intake like 2-3x's body weight in grams of carbs (2-3g/lb of body weight) for several days before your body started converting carbs to fat.
The thing I love about Lyle is that if there's a topic related to fitness/nutrition that you're interested in learning about, he's probably done a ton of legwork on it already. So, here's yet another link to his site.
How we Get Fat
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Amen brother. Per aspera ad astra.
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I agree with you.
Being fit is a discipline, and it's difficult for a lot of people. It's a choice, and I completely understand why some people choose not to become fit, as it's simply not worth their time and effort (and it's more or less a lifetime commitment if you want to stay fit forever).
Once I start interviewing candidates, people who are fit will earn themselves a big plus in my book, because it shows that they have the discipline to stay fit.
Post some before and after pics!
edit: TLDR: fat people are mostly just lazy
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The difference in the majority of fit people and fat people is not some magical combination of genetics that give them ridiculous level NEAT (Non-exercise Associated Thermogenesis --although those people exist, and we all hate them), and it's usually not from drug/steroid usage; it's the choices they make: it's priorities.
Bullshit. The majority difference between skinny people and fat people, at least in younger populations, is mostly due to genetics. Most skinny people have low appetities, high NEATs (up to 800-1000kcal/day), and some even get less calories from foods than fat people. Most skinny people have about has hard of a time gaining weight as fat people do losing weight.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that fat people cannot lose weight if they try. I'm just saying that it's wrong to imply all people that aren't fat have worked hard at it.
also OP, My friend mentioned that if you eat less (like you are talking about) it slows down your metabolism therefore not even helping you out in the long run. As soon as you stop working out, you gain all the weight back because you slowed your metablolism. Have you encountered this problem?
Broscience. Metabolism downregulates by a maximum of about 200kcal, which is easily compensated for. The reason people gain weight back after a diet is because they go right back to their unhealthy lifestyle that they had before the weight loss.
I personally know workout-type people that hit the gym almost everyday, are ripped or are working towards getting ripped, doing their calorie counting, and their protein shakes etc... I also know average people that are able to eat 3000+ calories a day and not gain any weight whatsoever. Does that make them good or bad, or proactive or lazy? No, that's just their lifestyle that they want.
Yes, those people eating 3000+ calories a day must have high NEATs and get less calories from their food (assuming, of course, that they actually DO eat 3000+ calories/day). That doesn't mean you can't lose weight. It just means you have to work harder at it.
I'm 5'9" and 240 lbs (pics for reference 1, 2). Medically, I have no problems, and none of my tests have ever indicated an issue (though I've never asked to be checked regarding a genetic component) and in general, I've been told my health is better than a lot of "average" people. I'm not defined in the least, and that leads to a lot of people's assumptions about my composition as well as others.
It was a nice post, and hopefully it motivates some people, but it's not always that simple.
For 99.99% of people, it IS that simple. Want to lose weight? Create a caloric deficit. Trivially true by conservation of energy. If you ate 1500 kcal/day, I guarantee you you'd lose weight.
Hmm, I don't really disagree with anything you say however I think you're over estimating the role of exercise... I'm certainly no health expert but from what I remember from health class like a decade ago, if your body is processing carbohydrates for energy and never uses the fat stored on your body you, how can you use it? Isn't the key here to induce some form of fat-utilization by the body?
I mean sure, if you exercise you will burn carbohydrates and run out and then burn fat, and thus lose weight assuming the calorie burned/gained ratio allows.... So just a "proper" diet can "easily" lose weight... and I don't mean diet like Jenny Craig, I mean diet like, culturally. Hence the popularity of low carb diets as well... but it's like you said it's really all about life-style changes and discipline. I don't disagree or anything, I just think the emphasis on excercise and protein for muscle building it's own paradigm aside from simply being "healthy person"
Low-carb vs high-carb has almost no effect on weight loss. While it's true that eating a lot of carbs makes your body more likely to store fat, the thing is that if you keep calories constant and go from a low-carb to a high carb diet, you must also decrease your fat intake.
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I don't really agree with this at all.
You see kids at 8 years old with a fit stomach and skinny physique and another kid at 8 years old who is obese. I'm sure these kids have vastly different work ethics right? No...
I've always been the same basic weight. I've done lots of gaming and almost no excercise to hours of excercise every day with very little food, gone from vegan diets, to lean fish diets etc depending mostly on my ethical stance and my weight has never really changed.
I always have been a guy with a bit of a beer belly but still being able to suck it in and see my ribs. And the skinny/fat guys I've known for a long time have been like that since they were kids.
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On November 02 2012 00:19 Scholera wrote:
I don't really agree with this at all.
You see kids at 8 years old with a fit stomach and skinny physique and another kid at 8 years old who is obese. I'm sure these kids have vastly different work ethics right? No...
I've always been the same basic weight. I've done lots of gaming and almost no excercise to hours of excercise every day with very little food, gone from vegan diets, to lean fish diets etc depending mostly on my ethical stance and my weight has never really changed.
I always have been a guy with a bit of a beer belly but still being able to suck it in and see my ribs. And the skinny/fat guys I've known for a long time have been like that since they were kids.
If it's such a simple decision based thing, why did nothing change from me playing almost only MMO to me playing almost only sports and switching to a lean vegan diet from my previous cheese based one?
skinny doesn't mean fit
you are reading this blog from the wrong side: he's saying fat people are fat (mostly) by choice, and those who stay fat shouldn't whine about it.
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I liked your post very much. Getting a six pack is a pain in the ass, never had a "real" one. Mainly because of bad drinking habits and being full of water all day.
I am now in my late 20's. I am very active since I was 4 and started to play football (the real one, played with the feet, you strange Americans). I was never fat in my life. I am 6'2 and 180 lbs.
For me being active is not really about sacrifice. It is fun for me, might help that we have a shitty TV program over here, but I rather do some sports than lay on my couch.
Personally I don't like cooking on working days, it is really a bit annoying, especially if you additionally need to buy some stuff in the supermarket, washing your laundry or whatever. In these situations I always get a bit stressed about the fact that I need to invest some more time into cooking. I have the luxury that I don't need to watch calories and stuff. I can have around 3000 a day over a longer period of time without gaining weight. My normal intake is around 2500. In my highly active times where I needed to hit a weightlimit and needed to "muscle up" I had up to 5000 a day which sucked, eating was not fun anymore, eating was way heavier than doing the exercise routins.
On the weekends I like cooking, you can invite people to your place drink a bit, prepare your meal and goof around a bit before going to the club/pub whatever. You can make a small event out of it.
I agree with you that may people are just lazy. You don't even need to go to the gym. Just do your daily stuff with your bike. Hell most of us are tied to an office chair for 8-10 hours a day and many people are still to lazy to ride 15 minutes with their bikes to the next supermarket. They rather take the car. Priority seems to be to move as less as somehow possible. And then people wonder why everybody gets so fat. I try to do as much as possible of my daily stuff without my car. As already pointed out, I am tied to a chair for 9 hours a day either way, I don't feel the urge to tie myself to the seat of my car instead in my sparetime.
Overall I congratulate you on your efforts to get more active. Despite all the work, which might be annoying from time to time, at the end of the day you just feel better with sports. The weight loss in your case is an additional plus. Keep on going
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On November 02 2012 00:22 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:19 Scholera wrote:
I don't really agree with this at all.
You see kids at 8 years old with a fit stomach and skinny physique and another kid at 8 years old who is obese. I'm sure these kids have vastly different work ethics right? No...
I've always been the same basic weight. I've done lots of gaming and almost no excercise to hours of excercise every day with very little food, gone from vegan diets, to lean fish diets etc depending mostly on my ethical stance and my weight has never really changed.
I always have been a guy with a bit of a beer belly but still being able to suck it in and see my ribs. And the skinny/fat guys I've known for a long time have been like that since they were kids.
If it's such a simple decision based thing, why did nothing change from me playing almost only MMO to me playing almost only sports and switching to a lean vegan diet from my previous cheese based one? skinny doesn't mean fit you are reading this blog from the wrong side: he's saying fat people are fat (mostly) by choice, and those who stay fat shouldn't whine about it.
Skinny means fitter than being fat. To a fat person, a skinny person is fit and to only like 5% of the population who is actually fit is a skinny person viewed as unfit.
I'm saying stop being so holier than thou. Chances are, your the way you are because of the portions and diet your parents gave you in your formative years, not because you're so much better as a person.
I think the writer of this has a warped view because he used to be fat and changed.
Probably over 66% of people stay in line relative to the weight they had when they were born and 90% or so with their relative weight as a small child. And then maybe 10% were skinny and got fat because of being so super lazy or were fat and did "omg im gonna change my life and bla bla bla" got fit.
I know very lazy skinny people and hardworking fatter people.
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On November 02 2012 00:22 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:19 Scholera wrote:
I don't really agree with this at all.
You see kids at 8 years old with a fit stomach and skinny physique and another kid at 8 years old who is obese. I'm sure these kids have vastly different work ethics right? No...
I've always been the same basic weight. I've done lots of gaming and almost no excercise to hours of excercise every day with very little food, gone from vegan diets, to lean fish diets etc depending mostly on my ethical stance and my weight has never really changed.
I always have been a guy with a bit of a beer belly but still being able to suck it in and see my ribs. And the skinny/fat guys I've known for a long time have been like that since they were kids.
If it's such a simple decision based thing, why did nothing change from me playing almost only MMO to me playing almost only sports and switching to a lean vegan diet from my previous cheese based one? skinny doesn't mean fit you are reading this blog from the wrong side: he's saying fat people are fat (mostly) by choice, and those who stay fat shouldn't whine about it.
Look at first sentence of OP.
"I've recently noticed something about the way people view skinny/fit people... people that aren't fat. "
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On November 02 2012 00:24 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:22 Cambium wrote:On November 02 2012 00:19 Scholera wrote:
I don't really agree with this at all.
You see kids at 8 years old with a fit stomach and skinny physique and another kid at 8 years old who is obese. I'm sure these kids have vastly different work ethics right? No...
I've always been the same basic weight. I've done lots of gaming and almost no excercise to hours of excercise every day with very little food, gone from vegan diets, to lean fish diets etc depending mostly on my ethical stance and my weight has never really changed.
I always have been a guy with a bit of a beer belly but still being able to suck it in and see my ribs. And the skinny/fat guys I've known for a long time have been like that since they were kids.
If it's such a simple decision based thing, why did nothing change from me playing almost only MMO to me playing almost only sports and switching to a lean vegan diet from my previous cheese based one? skinny doesn't mean fit you are reading this blog from the wrong side: he's saying fat people are fat (mostly) by choice, and those who stay fat shouldn't whine about it. Look at first sentence of OP. "I've recently noticed something about the way people view skinny/fit people... people that aren't fat. "
yes, but continue reading... the entire blog talks about how he was fat, and what sacrifices he made to become fit, and how other fat people could achieve similar results if they have similar determinations
everything else is besides the point he's making and you are just picking bones from eggs
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