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Seriously, Gheed, you are damn good at expressing good points.
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Seriously, Gheed, you are damn good at expressing good points. | ||
Portvilla
United States42 Posts
r/leageoflegends: Oh my God, Tasteless is casting Korean IPL5 qualifiers. I'm so God damn excited. I loved watching him cast throughout all of his SC days, so to see him showing some interest in League is just awesome. r/starcraft: We're fucked. Tasteless casting LoL on GOMTV right now. Laughed so hard at this comparison... the SC2 scene seems to have quite the vitreous framework regarding outside imposers. I guess if you want to improve you have to live alongside your competitors and not throw these kinds of hissy fits when another game is shining brighter than yours | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
But i agree in general with your post. Needlessly negative comments just annoy me, not just against other games, but also towards other people or blizzard. I loved with tlo said in an interview during dreamhack. Question: 'If you lose this, you might not qualify for dreamhack winter, right?' TLO: 'Yes, but that's negative thinking.' He's just refuting the question as important, because it has a negative source. I think people need to think more like this. | ||
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BadAim
Norway879 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2225093 Riot pretty regularly used to (not sure if they do much anymore as I don't browse the General Discussion boards in favor of the TL ones) promote memes as a way to engage with their playerbase. So any form of pls riot or riot pls is generally just a reference back to the start of the meme. | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
On October 22 2012 12:16 turdburgler wrote: ye, remember when everyone was really negative about sc2:WoL and that caused no one to play it oh wait If only that were a reality it might actually save sc2. | ||
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arcHoniC
United States141 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
But besides that I feel like the negativity is (mostly) all justified...in the end this is the kind of pressure that can lead to better games. I believe in part this is what led D3 to make the recent improvements that seemingly everyone is supportive of. Of course in some places people go over the top, but that's standard for any topic. This is bound to happen when you have a hardcore community. People really really want things to work, and when it doesn't they're going to be upset. Asking that to change is unreasonable; I think it should just be accepted as part of the territory, and that Blizzard will need to step up their efforts if they want things to change...because there truly have been a lot of legitimate complaints that have taken far too long to address. Asking people to not be so negative is virtually equivalent to asking people to not take the game so seriously, to lower the value of the game as being something for casual, once in a while entertainment. This is not the attitude that will create great games with high standards. Just be positive, say nice things about the game, would just create an aggravating atmosphere of pretending everything is okay when its clearly not. Maybe I misunderstood you and you just mean "don't be *too* negative, but you can still be critical" - well in that case I agree completely . Constructive criticism should always be encouraged. | ||
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ParkwayDrive
United States328 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
BW didn't become a pro e-sport because Blizzard promoted the crap out of it back in 1999-2000, it became popular because people really enjoyed playing it, and as more people played more often eventually the skill level increased to a point where it just became the natural progression. Whether or not the game you play is really popular or not, ultimately you should be playing because you enjoy it; it becoming a spectator sport is really just a bonus in my opinion. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
The TL community during BW was always very well mannered and mature and the amalgamation of SC2 and BW hasn't changed anything. It's the same nice people. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
I quit following the Starcraft scene after Bisu beat Flash in SPL Grand Finals. Now i come back to see these guys, not having BW to attack anymore, turn around and whine about their own favourite game. Oof.. a little amusing  | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On October 23 2012 00:18 Subversive wrote: I really don't find this community so bad. Maybe I just ignore most of the drama, but I doubt it. For the most part I still find people pleasant on ladder and reasonable here. The TL community during BW was always very well mannered and mature and the amalgamation of SC2 and BW hasn't changed anything. It's the same nice people. Playing on the EU ladder is definitely an enjoyable experience, low amount of bm/obvious hacks and you get to know a good chunk of ppl playing at a highish master level. As far as TL go, well sc2 general sucks hard, same as LR for mainstream tournaments but some LR are enjoyable, some post in the strat sub forum are interesting. The fact that bullshit is present isn't an excuse to be interested by it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Great post man, hopefully people will actually listen. | ||
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Vod.kaholic
United States1052 Posts
On the topic of SC2 fans feeling like they have to be the ones to uphold and push forward e-sports, I don't think it's a bad attitude in general. Hell, Day9 encouraged (maybe still encourages) people through some old dailies to basically be the change they want to see in the scene by getting involved in tournaments, casting, etc. Generally doing things to be involved in the community in a meaningful way. When you point out that on LoL's end it's Riot who takes care of all the esports stuff, allowing the players to simply enjoy the results without stressing themselves about having ot make it happen, that's great. I guess what it boils down to is that because Riot provides more support for the "esports" end of their game than Blizzard seems to, the SC2 community takes on a much more personal relationship with the ups and downs of the game and the scene. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but when its coupled with Blizzard's perceived lack of interest in really developing SC2 as an esport, or having a good base for casuals, or whatever, people get angry because something they're invested in is changing in a negative way that's beyond their influence. I don't like sounding like a Day9 fanboy, but if more people had his attitude and just honestly loved playing the game (whether it's 1v1 or team games or customs), the scene would be looking a lot better. Overall though, I agree with your message, more positivity would be a good thing in our community, and it has to start with the individual. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On October 22 2012 23:55 ParkwayDrive wrote: TL is about 85% an awful community. one of the worst ive been a part of. why? i dunno, but you cant change the people, they have to change themselves. let them kill their own game. ill still ladder in peace and break it up with a dota2 game. When I read this I kind of wanted to shut my browser and quit the internet forever. But then I remembered: I have rapidly cut down the number of visits to TL over the past year, to the point of pretty well quitting. It isn't the negativity that does it for me, to be more specific it's the elitism. The SC2 pro-mod was the best example, "How the game was meant to be played." That's a bold statement. Now the SC2 community has gone overboard with the same elitist holier-than-thou attitude. So you don't like LoL? Don't read the LoL subreddit. Don't do to LoL fansites. Don't fucking play it. It's a simple concept. This community used to be the shit. I used to wear my TL shirt around proudly, but now it's just another shirt, and this is just another site. Straight downhill. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
gheed, you have my eternal respect fave part: On October 22 2012 10:08 Gheed wrote: God save the kid that wanders into a PC gaming forum and mentions a console game.) heheh | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
On October 23 2012 04:40 MutaDoom wrote: When I read this I kind of wanted to shut my browser and quit the internet forever. But then I remembered: I have rapidly cut down the number of visits to TL over the past year, to the point of pretty well quitting. It isn't the negativity that does it for me, to be more specific it's the elitism. The SC2 pro-mod was the best example, "How the game was meant to be played." That's a bold statement. Now the SC2 community has gone overboard with the same elitist holier-than-thou attitude. So you don't like LoL? Don't read the LoL subreddit. Don't do to LoL fansites. Don't fucking play it. It's a simple concept. This community used to be the shit. I used to wear my TL shirt around proudly, but now it's just another shirt, and this is just another site. Straight downhill. Excellent post, and I couldn't agree more. All of this negativity, and regardless of what "waxangel" has to say (and I agree with IdrA on "waxangel"'s persona), it *is* stupid to attack negativity with a negative, bashing post. Gheed's post isn't changing anybody's mind at all, there is nothing persuasive about it. I come to this website mostly to watch Minus)Eagle, ForGG, Sea, and a couple other people play, just because I prefer the interface to cluttered Own3D/Twitch. I come here to skim the blogs and read the occasional good one. With a few exceptions, it is a very negative place to be. reddit.com/r/starcraft is far more negative and self-conscious these days though -- when silly stuff submitted there has to be tagged as "Fluff" ... do you really think I want to click that shit now? I already *knew* it was "Fluff", but you flaunt it in my face and make me feel like an idiot for clicking it. | ||
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Lysteria
France2279 Posts
On October 23 2012 04:40 MutaDoom wrote: When I read this I kind of wanted to shut my browser and quit the internet forever. But then I remembered: I have rapidly cut down the number of visits to TL over the past year, to the point of pretty well quitting. It isn't the negativity that does it for me, to be more specific it's the elitism. The SC2 pro-mod was the best example, "How the game was meant to be played." That's a bold statement. Now the SC2 community has gone overboard with the same elitist holier-than-thou attitude. So you don't like LoL? Don't read the LoL subreddit. Don't do to LoL fansites. Don't fucking play it. It's a simple concept. This community used to be the shit. I used to wear my TL shirt around proudly, but now it's just another shirt, and this is just another site. Straight downhill. I have the same feeling as you. As I'm not concerned by SC2 since forever, negativity doesn't really touch me, but the elitism, it's hard to handle. TL used to be an elitist site, on the bright side. Maybe the fact BW was almost nothing out of Korea - and if not for TL, it could have been simply dead - just made the people nicer. Hardcore fans, yeah, but always trying to fish some newbs like I was (and I was caught by it !). Like you, I no longer browse TL fifty times a day, but there are still nice dudes on this site. Can't tell for all the sub-forums but the ones I read the most (sports&games, blogs, LoL, BW, sometimes Dota2) are pretty decent. I'm under the impression people waited too much from SC2, while BW was clearly a mistake in the world of e-sports. Damn me if Blizzard expected to grow - without doing anything to help it - one of the major e-sports game of all time. There was nothing before, and no competition. As a beginning, BW is an error and a huge success. More than 10 years later, the scene isn't the same anymore, people are watching tons of different games, and there isn't anymore a place for a single game at the king of them all. I hope knowing the fact SC2 (neither any other game) can't be a "BW" will help to go through that negativity and that elitism, and will result with guys just enjoying their game and their scene. After all, TL is a "progaming news site", and if SC2 dies one day, well, people will just watch another game. It's quite sad to watch only one game after all, when there are so many fishes in the sea. :p | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
Yes, SC2 has problems, but every fucking person in the community does not need to be constantly harping on it. WoL Thread: PvZvPvZvP, patch zergs, terran underpowered. HotS thread: Blizzard is retarded, game is broken, BW was better. Esports thread: Blizzard doesn't care about esports, casuals are killing esports with their shitty games. Any thread: player bashing, caster bashing, team bashing, bashing other games. I haven't watched Day9's daily show in probably more than a year, but I decided to click on it yesterday and found that a bit more than 4000 people were watching him analyze a HotS game he was playing. Where are those 4000 people in the community who want to be better gamers? They aren't posting because any glimmer of positivity gets swallowed by the overwhelming blackness of hatred that a segement of the community has toward itself and others. The easy thing to say is "well, just don't read threads, then." However, I like reading other people's opinions about shit. But when the only opinions that get through are the negative ones, not only is it hard to have any actual discussion, but the "discussion" that takes place ends up just making everyone feel miserable. | ||
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