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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 01:11:12
October 06 2012 00:49 GMT
#1
First post, however as this is not a story, not necessary to read. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=372456

I'm sorry I messed up, I linked the wrong game at first, AND none of the images worked.

Irrelevant song that I like. I also like the idea of sharing music


Welp, It's been about a week of my first foray into chess. Unfortunately rather than me taking my machete through the jungle and carving my path through the unknown, it was more of a landing at the shore and setting up a tent by cutting down a few trees.

Since last week, I now am literate in algebraic notation in chess, however long sequences of moves written this way are simply incomprehensible to me so far. I don't have a concrete use for this notation yet, other than understanding what a puzzle is asking for, such as; "Pay attention to the knight on D6, can you check your opponent?"

As far as actually playing chess, my skill has not changed much at all. I started the last week with just under 600 ELO, now I am just 650 ELO on chess.com, my peak being at around 712. I began to be more reserved with my trading of pieces, and trying hard to create trade sequences for a lack of a better word. I still like to make trades, and will make them if I see no harm to come from it, but by trade sequences I mean I stack up a lot of pressure on an opponents pawn, and once I have a 1 move advantage over my opponent, I trigger a long series of (theoretical) trades in which I should have a developmental advantage.

As far as tactics go, I have been losing horrible each time I try to incorporate them into my play. I try to shoehorn something like a battery onto the field, even if I don't necessarily benefit from it in any way. The strongest tactic in the game seems to be forking units, where-in one unit is undefended, and the other unit is beneficial for you to eliminate otherwise. However, forks are incredibly difficult to execute, because often you are moving an important piece into the wild blue yonder, and therefore must suddenly begin to be aware of every unit on the board that can possibly affect it, which if you read the previous blog, know that I like trading to create a simpler endgame.

I like music, do you?


http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=370873607

If you find the screenshots awkward, do what I am doing as I write this blog: http://imgur.com/fDqKN

Or, perhaps if you convince me to try it, I will make a youtube video of my commentary and delete all the below text.

I don't know how to embed a chess game, so I hope that a link to the game that I want to analyse is sufficient.

My opponent, the lovely Raysalis from teamliquid.net opens d4.

Not sparing a second of thought, I play d6 to lead up to e5 my next move.

He plays e4, I respond with e5, he supports that pawn with c3, also opening up the queen to move.

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I continue to mount pressure on the d4 pawn by moving Nc6.

He supports with nf3, which I threaten with Bg4.

He gains an advantage of the d4 pawn by giving it additional support with a bishop. Unluckily for me, I have exhausted all forces on my queenside for the time being, and can no longer threaten this position.

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With g6, I plan to start paving ground on the kingside. He responds with Be2, resulting in a Knight that cannot be threatened.

I push f5 as the other central pawn of my opponent is undefended.

exf5, gxf5, and now I can push up after a kingside castling to have a strong pawn wall that threatens the bishop on e3.

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The bishop retreats, Bc1. I don't quite know what to do here, and move my knight up to f6 to develop my pieces.

He plays dxe5, and I do the same.

Now he chooses to trade queens on d8, and I take his queen with my rook, giving me a powerful central file.

Pertaining to the queen trade, I think it was a fatal error on his part, because in my great experience of trading, I have learned that you never trade queens (early) unless it developmentally
cripples your opponent, ie: having to use his KING to kill the assaulting Queen.

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He plays Nbd2, I assume to simply gain ground on development

I play e4, to threaten his knight, while e4 is protected by MY knight who was useless before on f6.

He plays Nd4, protecting his knight by a pawn, and threatening my knight with his, the same trick essentially.

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I'm willing to take this trade, which ended up being an error. I overlooked that Nxd4 was a possibility, and that is the exact move he plays. I play Nc2 to threaten his Rook, assuming he would have to defend it and therefore leave his white bishop stationary.

However, he plays Bf5, which I respond with e3, assuming that the rook was mine no matter what, and could be dealt with later.

He takes the pawn on e3 with his f pawn. I do the same back to him, and continue to threaten the knight on d2.

Now he elegantly gets his knight out of danger, while defending his rook. I concede that I need to take the rook now or lose the knight to his white bishop, and kill with Nxa1.

He jumps on the opportunity to kill my far forward pawn with his black bishop.

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Run boy, run.


My response is to trade Knights on b3, prompting him to double up his pawns.

I don't know the next step, so I push my H pawn forward two spaces.

He attacks my Knight on f6, with Bg5, but I defend with Be7.

The pressure mounts as he moves his rook onto the 3 file.

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Now I make a decent choice in moving my knight to d5, thereby defending my bishop without being threatened.

The ruse is easily foiled by moving a pawn to c4.

Hilariously, I have not castled yet, and now welcome him to take my knight with his c4 pawn, as then I will take his bishop with the f8 rook whislt simultaneously threatening an exposed pawn.

Clever bastard forks me with Be6+, meaning that my king MUST move, and that means my knight its free for the taking.

Reverting back to my old tendencies, I am willing to trade my f rook for this position, and move it forward one square.

He plays Bxe7, threatening my rook that has its own file, but I simply take the bishop with my knight and defend it at the same time.

Realizing his mistake, he decides to cut his losses and take the exposed rook with his bishop and force my king to move forward and counter kill.

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Now let's analyse this position.

I gave 4 pawns, and exposed king, a knight, and a rook on a file. Against a rook, a secure king, 5 pawns (one of which is doubled.)

The rook on a file gives me hardly any advantage, as the pawns can not move sideways, and I don't see a circumstance for him to move his king or rook to that file.

My advantage should be to either a) push my queenside pawns, as the doubled pawns are weaker than three lined up pawns. or b) maneuvre with my knight. What is easier to do? Push my pawns ofcourse!

He moves his rook to Re2, I assume to be a waiting move.

I push my a pawn to a5, planning to eventually queen a pawn.

He plays Kf2 to develop his king, and gain ground.

F4 was not a particularly beneficial move, I simply delayed his pawn push on the kingside.

His response is Kf3, I fork the king and the forward doubled pawn. Netting me a kill after Kg4.

He then takes h4 with his king, meaning that the threat of him queening a pawn is much higher.

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I decide to pin the c4 pawn to the king, and he elegantly defends it and the b2 pawn with Rc2.

I check him with Ng6+.

He plays Kg5, directly attacking my knight, defended by my own king. This will allow him to push his pawns later.

I know that it is futile to try and stop him, so I push my own pawns. c6.

He plays h4, supporting his king.

B5 from me, trying to gain ground on my opponent.

He plays h5, forcing me to retreat my knight to f8. He gains ground, and also temporarily puts my piece out of the game.

He plays cxb5, I do the same.

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Now he continues to push his pawns, and plays g4.

I don't have an option but to play a4.

He lets his g pawn some space by moving Kf5.

I play a completely aimless move with Rd4. I don't know what I could have been thinking at the time.

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He checks me with Rc7+.

I move my king to e8, meaning I utterly surrender to his pawn push.

With Rc5, another seemingly aimless move, he simply makes my plan keep going forward by pushing my pawn to b4.

Again, he plays Ra5, so I continue to push my pawns, b3.

Now lets skip a bit. After a lot of attempted pawn pushing, we end up manoeuvring each other to the point that it is K,R,P,K vs K,R,P. I have the marked advantage with the knight, but through it in the shitter with Rxg6

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After this it is clear that I lose.

A song about how great life is. I don't see my failures in chess as shortcomings, but rather hurdles to challenge myself by. I think I went 0-12 (14?) against teamliquid users.


I welcome others to analyse the game, as I'm sure I did a terrible job, and always feel welcome to message me on chess.com, ID is Thaniri!

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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
October 06 2012 01:03 GMT
#2
I am super embarassed, none of the pictures work, AND I linked the wrong game. I'm sorry.
Warble
Profile Joined May 2011
137 Posts
October 06 2012 01:35 GMT
#3
That final position is a draw.

At your level, you should always play to checkmate.

Pretty nice that you were winning for a bit there in the middlegame. If you'd moved your king instead of blocking his bishop check with your rook you would still have been up in material.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
October 06 2012 01:46 GMT
#4
I actually thought that little skirmish was rather elegant on my part, I did not necessarily HAVE to give up pieces, but I like eliminating pieces from the board.
SecondHand
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States329 Posts
October 06 2012 02:28 GMT
#5
This is pretty cool, and chess is awesome. Ill play you sometime
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24744 Posts
October 06 2012 02:56 GMT
#6
You have less than a day left for your next move in our game :p

Nice analysis. I was just going through two chess learning resources again, thanks to being inspired by your prior blog. I re-installed Chessmaster Grandmaster edition and was doing the Josh Waitzkin academy which is good. I also started rereading the early sections of the book 'logical chess' by Chernev as I mentioned in the previous blog. They are both great.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 03:15:08
October 06 2012 03:12 GMT
#7
Yeah, perhaps rudely, but I stopped paying attention to the long games.

I find the experience of playing live chess in 10 minutes (or however long) is much easier and more fun than playing that kind of chess.

I did not know that there were programs to help learning chess. I have read Waitzkin's book "The Art of Learning" as recommended by day9, and shall see if this academy thing is free. I shall also try to find Chessmaster Grandmaster.

Ah, unfortunately I do not have any way of buying this program Oh well, at least I am a firm believer in learning by floundering!
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 05:28:45
October 06 2012 05:27 GMT
#8
Main comments:

1) That opening's not good. White can play 3.dxe5 dxe5 4.Qxd8+ Kxd8 and you're at a slight disadvantage right away because you can't castle.
2) There's nothing wrong with trading queens early on in general; it wasn't a good idea there more because he gave up the file and activated your rook while accomplishing nothing himself.
3) Why didn't you at least take on g6 with the knight? Even still, it should be a draw if you play it right.
4) You look to be better than 700 ELO, so keep on trucking!

There should be plenty of programs to learn from if you spend a bit of time looking around. I remember using Maurice Ashley Teaches Chess like 15 years ago, but I dunno if that really exists much these days.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
October 06 2012 06:51 GMT
#9
On October 06 2012 14:27 GolemMadness wrote:
Main comments:

1) That opening's not good. White can play 3.dxe5 dxe5 4.Qxd8+ Kxd8 and you're at a slight disadvantage right away because you can't castle.
2) There's nothing wrong with trading queens early on in general; it wasn't a good idea there more because he gave up the file and activated your rook while accomplishing nothing himself.
3) Why didn't you at least take on g6 with the knight? Even still, it should be a draw if you play it right.
4) You look to be better than 700 ELO, so keep on trucking!

There should be plenty of programs to learn from if you spend a bit of time looking around. I remember using Maurice Ashley Teaches Chess like 15 years ago, but I dunno if that really exists much these days.


1) I don't pay any attention to opening theory, I apply the same principle to figuring out a starcraft build to a chess opening. You keep doing it, and you begin to recognize the things that kill you, and make adjustments.
2) I trade units. I trade units a lot. Through my own noobish experience, I have determined that the only time to trade queens early (the queen is still beside the king) is when another middle piece can not retaliate in place of the king, therefore negating any later castle.
3) I do not know enough about the game to recognize a draw or a sure victory yet. I was confident I had been beaten at the time.
4) Rest assured, I firmly belong in the 500-600 range.
EerieNewb
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland73 Posts
October 06 2012 07:16 GMT
#10
If you want to train tactics and mating sequences try chesstempo.com it will adjust the puzzles to your skill level as well.
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
October 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#11
Well first I'll be a little blunt. You hang pieces (leave them undefended). You hang them a lot. You shouldn't allow your opponent to take a piece for free unless you have a clear sequence of moves in mind that bring you to an advantage. For example, 12...e4 doesn't really hang a piece but it makes your knight on f6 overworked, which leads to white taking a pawn for free after 14. Bxg4 Nxg4 15. Nxe4

And after 15. Bf5, you should take the rook. In fact is was a kind of bad idea to go after it anyway as he can save it easily with Rb1 at any time and you lose tempo and give white free development due to your moving the knight so many times to get it into position.

There are a lot of points after this where you simply leave your pieces undefended and do nothing to save them... I recommend going through each of your opponents' major pieces (bishops, knights, etc) each turn and noticing which squares they can move to on their next turn.

After 11. Qxd8+ I prefer taking with the knight instead, as that allows you to save castling rights on the queenside, where your pawn structure is a more defendable and closed position. Note that you do not need to worry about 11. Qxd8+ Nxd8 12. Nxe5, as that simply hangs white's bishop and you get a minor piece for a pawn after 12... Bxe2. Of course taking with the rook saves a tempo loss after Nxd8 because it keeps your knight developed, but I still think castling queenside is worth more here.

Notation is actually pretty obsolete by modern standards and it's simply the old way of writing down games without having to draw 100 board positions in order to share them. Now people can just use the computer to record games and replay them.

I recommend tactics trainers like the one EerieNewb suggested, these can really give your brain a workout and will improve your rating very quickly, especially for players below 1k elo, you will see significant improvement in only a few days' time!

Also I recommend this video that has helped me grow into the 1400 range from my 1300 flounderings. It is quite long at almost 14 minutes but it covers only one concept that is very easy to remember and apply in your games immediately after watching it. The concept is called: "to take is a mistake." Watch the video to learn why!


Anyway I hope I have helped you and inspired to review your games to look for better moves and where you have hung your pieces. I suppose I have a fairly harsh teaching style but it is almost always most efficient to be blunt when it comes to helping your students improve. Cheers!
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