Political burnout - Page 2

Jerubaal

United States7684 Posts

September 06 2012 20:07 GMT

#21

On September 07 2012 02:17 farvacola wrote:
One aspect of traditional Christian morality that I think readily applies itself to a great variety of situations is the acknowledgement of despair as the worst sin, as there is nothing more divisive, less positive, or more ego-centric. It requires the utmost of hubris to assume that ones' perspective is diverse and informed enough to warrant despair, and it is a noble cause to wake up each day and say, "I will not go gentle into the night of despair; I will continue searching."

The sin of Manichaeism is drawing the lines between good and evil people rather than through people's hearts.

FryBender

United States290 Posts

September 06 2012 20:09 GMT

#22

On September 07 2012 04:40 Vega62a wrote:

The republican party is smarter than that. They fully well understand that the $716 billion reduction in medicare is not a reduction in services. They are using it to hit the Obama administration with. Policy is not made on cable news, but that's not what I'm saying either. Policy is discussed on cable news, and new minds are applied to it, but they can't even get past what's fact and what's not. Lying on television about what is the truth is a disservice to the country which his party represents.

Not at all. He truly honestly believes with all of his heart that the right way for the US is the Republican party way. Therefore his mission to better the US is to have the US under Republican control. Therefore his trying to promote the Republican agenda is actually a service for his country. And to flat out say that he is lying is dishonest as well. The issue of the 716Billion dollars is nuanced and is not clear. Yes there is no reduction in service but it is 716 Billion dollars that could have gone to Medicare that will not go to Medicare. If you don't want to call it a cut fine but let's be honest here that is money that is taken out of Medicare (even if it is all just pretend money created with funny math). So don't accuse him of lying. From his point of view he is not.

Politics has never been and will never be a black-and-white right-or-wrong all-or-nothing type of game. So your plea to at least agree on what the facts are isn't just pointless it's impossible.

zalz

Netherlands3704 Posts

September 06 2012 21:25 GMT

#23

Bill Maher isn't too bad, but his audience needs to be drowned in a tub.

But yeah, the political process can be tiresome for some. Not for me, I'm a political junkie. I love those charts filled with way more information than any sane person would ever need, knowing in the back of my mind that these political runs are being managed by teams that know all these fringe statistics about voting blocs, or how certain layouts influence political succes/failure.

When they run past those giant maps and go into miniscule detail on how or why a certain fraction of a state voted one way or another, I can't help but find it intriguing.

"Ooh yes, well this region was distinctly black Republican, owing to the founder of their district being best friends with Lincoln."

Even all the cheap politics I take for granted. It's like watching chess on crack as these two juggernauts finally meet in on the election day.

I seriously stay up for that stuff. I can watch the night unfold like other people watch the superbowl or the world soccer games. CNN, Fox, MSNBC, all flooding me with way too much information, a few forums on the side to see the mood swing, I love it.

felisconcolori

United States6168 Posts

September 06 2012 21:55 GMT

#24

Facts have little, if anything, to do with political discourse. I tend to think both parties are a horrible joke, but I base this on the core of their real bipartisan efforts - mostly in gerrymandering their districts and doing everything possible to ensure that no serious third party ever becomes a problem for their farce.

I'm reminded of a South Park episode...

Unfortunately, the nature of my job requires me to read a whole lot of news from a whole lot of sources. At least political fights in some other countries are nice, straightforward fist fights.

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