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Randomaccount#77123
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Salv
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Leeoku
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Treehead
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Antimatterz
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
Diablo III can be called the first real failure from Blizz, the first Blizz game that people won't be playing for months on end, if not years. Even still, it entertained me for a good 60 hours, which makes it worth the money, but we expect more than "worth the money" from Blizz. Blizz has had a long track record of good games, and now they make one medicore game and people are starting to declare them dead in the water. I say wait and see. They were bound to trip up sooner or later, but that don't mean they are down for good. | ||
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Chef
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No faith in Blizzard anymore. They can't even respect those who helped to build their brand, I hope they fail catastropically for selling everyone up the river. For me, the value of the Blizzard brand is destroyed. I would also mark WoW as probably the point at which Blizzard stopped being innovative and just started using their brand and power to make their generic version of games of every genre the most popular. Even if they are the ones who first made the innovations that became generic. That's not the spirit of a good game company in my opinion. | ||
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Crissaegrim
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Deleted User 135096
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On August 01 2012 03:46 Leeoku wrote: If you liked d2 try paths of exile? D2 feel, free online and a wtf skill tree You mean the FFX sphere grid x3? On August 01 2012 04:18 Chef wrote: Blizzard doesn't pay respect to their old games like they used to, they are a different company. There was a time when they were patching games that were 7 years old, and you felt like maybe it was because they were a company that care about making games and building trust with their fan base than purely maximizing profits. I don't fucking care that business is business and people are gonna say that a million times like it makes everything a company does ok. Blizzard built up all that trust and then sold in a few swift movements for quick profits when their brand got so big that maybe it doesn't even matter anymore. That is a pretty shitty thing to do. I have no idea how many of the same people are working there and how much has changed, but the company philosophy is definitely vastly different. No faith in Blizzard anymore. They can't even respect those who helped to build their brand, I hope they fail catastropically for selling everyone up the river. For me, the value of the Blizzard brand is destroyed. Wow, strong words. And I can't really disagree with any of it either. I dare say you could probably boil that all down into one word...Hubris. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
I know there are private chat channels now, but I feel that they should have done it D2 style and thrown everyone into general when they logged in. | ||
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JonIrenicus
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Murlox
France1699 Posts
On August 01 2012 04:18 Chef wrote: Blizzard doesn't pay respect to their old games like they used to, they are a different company. There was a time when they were patching games that were 7 years old, and you felt like maybe it was because they were a company that care about making games and building trust with their fan base than purely maximizing profits. I don't fucking care that business is business and people are gonna say that a million times like it makes everything a company does ok. Blizzard built up all that trust and then sold in a few swift movements for quick profits when their brand got so big that maybe it doesn't even matter anymore. That is a pretty shitty thing to do. I have no idea how many of the same people are working there and how much has changed, but the company philosophy is definitely vastly different. No faith in Blizzard anymore. They can't even respect those who helped to build their brand, I hope they fail catastropically for selling everyone up the river. For me, the value of the Blizzard brand is destroyed. I would also mark WoW as probably the point at which Blizzard stopped being innovative and just started using their brand and power to make their generic version of games of every genre the most popular. Even if they are the ones who first made the innovations that became generic. That's not the spirit of a good game company in my opinion. I was about to type, substantially, that. I wrote a similar topic on a french forum. I'm a first hour fan of blizzard. Loved Lost Vikings, Rock n' Roll Racing (omfg yeah), warcraft 1, diablo 1, etc. I bought every blizzard game with -sometimes massive and months-long- expectations. I enjoyed them all so much. I played with my father. I made ton of IRL friends by only playing those games, travelled to places for LANs. In a nuttshell I agree in saying it all began to go wrong with WoW fantastic succe$$ (up to 10.000.000 paying customers? what?). It looks that from that point on, the soul slowly extinct. I didn't find any soul in SC2 which looked to me like a ball-less copy of SC:BW, more aimed at milking the trendy "esports" market than anything. In fact, after playing beta ofc, I only got my copy couple of month ago, due to christmas discount and a friend insisting it was an ok game. Then came Diablo 3 and it was all clear to me. I gave this one many, many hours (300?) in respect to all the good memories I had from Diablo 2 (it will get better, it will get better, hang on, it will get better). It didn't get any better, it lasted 1 month and I have absolutely no intention to play it again now. Yes, 300 hours is a lot and I had stuff for my money but that's not the point I mean come on.... it's freaking Blizzard and it's freaking Diablo 3, we EXPECTED more. I now no longer expect more, if anything, from Blizzard. I'm not even thrilled the slightest by HotS. 2 more things : - it could be also due to me ageing, to some extent - it's not only Blizzard, sadly. And it's sad because the current developers are the the children of the first "cool games", one could wish they knew better. We are making this to ourselves. Then again I'm not in the market and one needs to eat too. Still, not good from a gamer perspective. | ||
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PJFrylar
United States350 Posts
On August 01 2012 04:18 Chef wrote: Blizzard doesn't pay respect to their old games like they used to, they are a different company. There was a time when they were patching games that were 7 years old, and you felt like maybe it was because they were a company that care about making games and building trust with their fan base than purely maximizing profits. I don't fucking care that business is business and people are gonna say that a million times like it makes everything a company does ok. Blizzard built up all that trust and then sold in a few swift movements for quick profits when their brand got so big that maybe it doesn't even matter anymore. That is a pretty shitty thing to do. I have no idea how many of the same people are working there and how much has changed, but the company philosophy is definitely vastly different. No faith in Blizzard anymore. They can't even respect those who helped to build their brand, I hope they fail catastropically for selling everyone up the river. For me, the value of the Blizzard brand is destroyed. I would also mark WoW as probably the point at which Blizzard stopped being innovative and just started using their brand and power to make their generic version of games of every genre the most popular. Even if they are the ones who first made the innovations that became generic. That's not the spirit of a good game company in my opinion. I totally agree, especially in regards to Diablo 3. It feels unpolished, unfinished, and comes with blatant money grabbing (RMAH). Starcraft 2 didn't really live up to BW standards (totally just my opinion there), but was still a pretty good game, which I feel is held back by some to degree by b.net 2.0 being aweful. It does seem like it might have caught up with them with Diablo 3. It doesn't seem like the "lost faith in Blizzard" is all that uncommon nowadays; I know thats the way I feel. They had build so much good faith in their company by just being awesome over the years, and now they just seem intent on cashing out on that reputation. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
I always saw Starcraft 2 as a possibility, but with the announce of buying 3 separate campaigns, I quickly grew skeptical. And to be fair, the game is average... You can't rake an average game for that type of money. I would buy Brood War again if it came out in 3 parts, not SC2. | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
I liked SC2, and I had a lot of fun watching some tournaments. I gave it two years, but after over a year of laddering and a few months plateaued at mid-masters, playing just got old. Interestingly, around the time I moved to Korea, I stopped watching SC2 all together. I've been trying to get into the TSL3, but it's just so time consuming and it's simply not as fun as playing other games. Blizzard really gave it their best shot. But along the line, something was left behind. I don't know what it is, or how to describe it. I'm currently having more fun playing and watching dota 2 than I ever did playing or watching SC2, but even that still doesn't live up to BW. Brood War was just magical. I can't describe it. The emotion I felt during the Jangbi/Calm semifinal was almost overwhelming. This weekend, the finals will be electric, and I imagine there will be moments I will never forget for as long as I live, as the final game of Blizzard's golden age makes its last stand before being completely snuffed out by the powers that be. I'm glad someone shares my sentiments. I want to add that D3 was obviously a huge let-down, the items are absolutely horrible, I mean they're about as complex and intriguing as what I would expect from a flash game made by college students to have. Inferno is a complete gimmick, its difficulty combined with the skill system leads to less variation than I've ever seen in an RPG, and it's just completely unfun. And if you get sick of restarting 50 times until you finally get the right champion packs that are killable so you can progress, you can't even kick it with your buddies and PvP. I spent years, literally years playing D2. I spent 3 weeks playing D3 and I'll never pick it up again. But I don't care, I didn't love D2. I loved BW. SC2 is miles ahead of D3, to be sure, but I'm just not feeling it. I'm glad Valve is doing a stellar job with Dota 2, I have a feeling they will truly be the developer that everyone can rely on for quality games over the next 10 years. | ||
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
It was completely mindblowing. | ||
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Roe
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
The biggest question mark for me is why even bother with the RMAH and the monthy sub fees? The "make a great game, charge $30 per expansion pack" system was working fine and making them money. I guess they saw the light of even more dollar signs and couldn't resist. I just really hope HotS doesn't kill SC2... | ||
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
dark souls ftw! maybe some dota 2 | ||
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Leth0
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