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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 09:37:01
July 04 2012 11:37 GMT
#1


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NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
July 04 2012 11:53 GMT
#2
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.


Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
July 04 2012 12:20 GMT
#3
Killing yourself is pretty stupid when you consider you aren't even an adult yet and you have no idea what it's like to be out on your own. Just think: it's only a few more years until you're free. You'll like your father a lot more when you don't have to live with him.
Legalize drugs and murder.
Alala-P
Profile Joined June 2012
34 Posts
July 04 2012 12:21 GMT
#4
So you're 15/16(?). Just do your work and do well, set little goals for yourself(for your hobbies) that make you happy and then just do what your dad says. Once you're done with school I presume you'll be going to uni or studying elsewhere so you'll be living away from home. Just think of all the things life has to offer once you're over this difficult phase. I think most teenagers go through similar negative thoughts. Once you live on your own you'll have more time to do the things you enjoy.
I know it doesn't seem like it, but I think your dads trying to make you do things he thinks are helpful to you. He should be more rewarding though from the sounds of things. Out of curiosity, what is it you want to do in life?
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
July 04 2012 12:26 GMT
#5
On July 04 2012 21:21 Alala-P wrote:
So you're 15/16(?). Just do your work and do well, set little goals for yourself(for your hobbies) that make you happy and then just do what your dad says. Once you're done with school I presume you'll be going to uni or studying elsewhere so you'll be living away from home. Just think of all the things life has to offer once you're over this difficult phase. I think most teenagers go through similar negative thoughts. Once you live on your own you'll have more time to do the things you enjoy.
I know it doesn't seem like it, but I think your dads trying to make you do things he thinks are helpful to you. He should be more rewarding though from the sounds of things. Out of curiosity, what is it you want to do in life?


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Alala-P
Profile Joined June 2012
34 Posts
July 04 2012 12:43 GMT
#6
So look forward do doing those things and travelling the world. Don't give up on what you want to do because you're being treated "badly", use that as motivation to prove to your dad that all the time you put into English was worth it.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
July 04 2012 13:27 GMT
#7
On July 04 2012 20:53 NonFactor wrote:
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.



You don't know how jealous I am of you.

If my parents told me; "Do whatever makes you happy." I would probably burst in tears of joy.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 14:31:40
July 04 2012 14:31 GMT
#8
Millions of teenagers go through the same thing and come out okay, one way or another. I think the majority just endure it day by day then get out and start flipping burgers for the price of freedom. Some give in and just help out at the parent's store/restaurant at the compromise of pride and ambition. Few, but more than a handful, manage to satisfy the parents while pursuing his/her own goals. At the end of the day, you look back, and realize that for the most part, your parents were right.

You can't always only do what you like in life. This should be obvious. Without discrediting your efforts too much, I think it's safe to say that your mind state is firmly rejecting your father's suggestions before giving it a proper evaluation. Give a little, a little more maybe, and show your father that you at least understand his intentions and appreciate his attention. Once you've given him the respect he deserves, you'll get some of it back - perhaps all of it - and then you can start talking to him on equal footing. When you show him that you can accomplish things outside of your comfort zone, he'll probably be more comfortable about you choosing your own path.

Don't hit the GG life button yo, it ain't over until you've fought every battle.
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ArcticMuse
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia93 Posts
July 04 2012 14:59 GMT
#9
Don't ever contemplate suicide. It's ridiculously selfish and pointless. The pain you cause everyone is so immense - it doesn't stop just at your family - it hurts your friends and the friends of all of your family members. Not to mention the fact that there are so many millions of alternative options; like moving out to live with friends or relatives so you don't have to put up with your dad, standing up to him to show him that you're going to spend your time however you want or to just stop giving a fuck about what he thinks.

My dad, long suffering with depression committed suicide about a month ago (he wasn't discovered for some further two weeks), and the experience is devastating and traumatic that I would never wish the situation on anyone, no matter how horrible or mean they are (i.e. your dad). Don't you dare do it.

Things get better, they always do! You just need to reach out there and make things the way you want them, be that moving country or just moving house. You can do, I know you can.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 04 2012 15:37 GMT
#10
No, not everyone has contemplated suicide. Your reason, however, is an extremely stupid one for doing so and you know it. Others have already described what suicide is like: not only do you lose the chance to do everything you wanted to do, but you also seriously harm everyone else you ever knew. And for what, for the chance to get away from some math?

And to an extent, maybe your father is right. You yourself admit that you're lazy, and he's really teaching you an important lesson: you can't always do only what you like to do. Sometimes, you have to do what matters that is at the same time not very interesting. If that isn't good enough for you, there's plenty of ways to avoid him as much as possible or to simply convince him that you're done doing what he asks of you. At the same time, I'd suggest you give his methods a fair chance before you complain about how it's not your area of interest.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 04 2012 16:03 GMT
#11
On July 04 2012 22:27 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 20:53 NonFactor wrote:
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.



You don't know how jealous I am of you.

If my parents told me; "Do whatever makes you happy." I would probably burst in tears of joy.

This as well for me. Oh man how I would love to hear that. I think I only heard that when I was very young maybe 1-2 times. After that it was "here's what we want you to do... now do it. No pressure but we'll be checking on you for years until this is done."
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
July 04 2012 16:10 GMT
#12
On July 04 2012 20:53 NonFactor wrote:
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.





I'm right there with you bro, I mean, I haven't seen my dad since I was like 10, but my mom has certainly never done any of these things so common with "Asian parents".

My mom understood that highschool in the USA is utter bullshit and worthless (in Moab Utah at least where there are only 500 kids in the entire highschool, if that). I mean, I was always expected to go to college....but I feel like that's not that big of an expectation. This "good grades, study hard, do your work, study more, do more work, get a job, do more school activities, do more studying" shit is seriously alien to me.

I mean fuck dude, I pulled a D in Ochem II, Phys II and DiffyQ last semester and my mom was so happy I didn't fail anything, why can't more parents just be chill?

So ya, sorry to go off a bit, but also dude, thinking about "suicide" really isn't the worst thing. It might even be a good thing, cause it might help remind you just how much you would destroy the people around you if you were to go through with it.

And here's my protip for the feeling of "I hate my life, I hate school, my parents are assholes, fuck everything".

Just look at the sky and remind yourself a few things. You probably ate food recently, had clean water to drink, could go to a store and buy something you wanted to eat/drink/consume just on a whim, nobody in your family was killed/raped/other recently and nobody has shot at you. These are all things MANY people on this planet have to deal with on a daily basis. You're life seriously can't be so bad can it?
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
July 04 2012 16:21 GMT
#13
On July 04 2012 22:27 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 20:53 NonFactor wrote:
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.



You don't know how jealous I am of you.

If my parents told me; "Do whatever makes you happy." I would probably burst in tears of joy.

On July 05 2012 01:03 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 22:27 RogerX wrote:
On July 04 2012 20:53 NonFactor wrote:
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.



You don't know how jealous I am of you.

If my parents told me; "Do whatever makes you happy." I would probably burst in tears of joy.

This as well for me. Oh man how I would love to hear that. I think I only heard that when I was very young maybe 1-2 times. After that it was "here's what we want you to do... now do it. No pressure but we'll be checking on you for years until this is done."


The grass is always greener on the other side.
EPO
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada341 Posts
July 04 2012 18:38 GMT
#14
Yeah my dad never said he's proud of me either. Not such a big deal imo
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 04 2012 22:26 GMT
#15
The logic makes sense to me. It's what I felt too. Good luck OP.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#16
On July 05 2012 01:21 Hnnngg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 22:27 RogerX wrote:
On July 04 2012 20:53 NonFactor wrote:
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.



You don't know how jealous I am of you.

If my parents told me; "Do whatever makes you happy." I would probably burst in tears of joy.

Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 01:03 3FFA wrote:
On July 04 2012 22:27 RogerX wrote:
On July 04 2012 20:53 NonFactor wrote:
I keep reading these stories about asian parents and it seems so strange to me.

My parents simply didn't give a shit about my academics. (Which can be both good and bad.) I didn't get pressured, nor did I get heavily rewarded for doing good. If I asked my parents ''what you guys want me to do when I grow up'' they would simply say ''just do whatever makes you happy'' which I'm grateful for. Though I think I would have done better in school with some shouting. ;o Lucky we don't put as much importance apparently to what school you went to.



You don't know how jealous I am of you.

If my parents told me; "Do whatever makes you happy." I would probably burst in tears of joy.

This as well for me. Oh man how I would love to hear that. I think I only heard that when I was very young maybe 1-2 times. After that it was "here's what we want you to do... now do it. No pressure but we'll be checking on you for years until this is done."


The grass is always greener on the other side.

Except its really just ur eyes playing tricks on you. If you look down on either side, its the same grass.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
chaosfreak11
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore367 Posts
July 05 2012 04:27 GMT
#17
You gotta stand up for yourself. Be honest with him about what you believe in and force him to accept you the way you are.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
July 05 2012 05:07 GMT
#18
I can totally relate with u man. I'm also an English/history guy who will be majoring in international relations, but my dad got a phd in civil engineering. U know what it's like and i know what it's like. I've contemplated suicide multiple times, half ass attempted it once, but I could never bring myself to do it.

U just have to get through it man. U can go to college and never have to deal with him again. Just think about how many years u have left of school, and how many years of life u will have. When u look at it like that, it doesn't seem like a long time. U just have to tough it out. I might suggest u go to a psychologist if ur dealing with an inferiority complex and anxiety, which is what I'm dealing with now. This might not seem like a big deal, but it will bite u in the ass later in life

I'm here for u man. Talk to me whenever u feel like. Just dont commit suicide man. It's not worth it.
sathin
Profile Joined April 2012
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 14:34:45
July 05 2012 14:32 GMT
#19
I know where your coming from but from a different situation for different reasons however the stories the same parents who just dont seem to get it and who arent interested in anyone but themselves that being said i hope this helps and i hope u see this and listen as i feel this is what needs to be done in this situations

your dad wants to succeed not for you but for himself he may say otherwise but realistically its his own selfish goal its in parental psychology and this can be looked up for those who wish but he wants you to achieve his own goals for you instead of your own many parents are blinded by their own goals and consider it "best" for their kids to follow the goals they set for them he is an authoritarian parent

The only way your going to get him to realize is to make a scene and bring it to his attention that he is literally the reason u cant be happy and do well remind him that you are thankful for what he provides you and that you have material things and everything you need to live but he isnt a good parent and hasnt been a good parent tell him that all you really want is for him to be proud and to tell you that he is i remember the first time my dad told me he was proud of me that i remember and that i think he was being sincere was when i finally brought it to his attention that he fucking sucked flat out as a parent and nothing he was doing actually helped me in anyway

TL;DR

tell him exactly how you feel that he's making you feel depressed and that you just want him to be proud of you the way any dad should be proud of their son let him know everything thats going on in your head it could be a huge turning point

P.S sorry for lack of grammar been writing school essays all day didnt plan to write this and didnt know if anyone did and i hope they did but i feel like its so essential that parents realize their kids emotions are real and kids need to be rewarded and acknowledged for behavior and achievement


Also PM me if you have any questions or need help i sincerely try and help people in your situation cuz its too easy for others to downplay and call YOU the selfish one but ur problems and emotions are real and struggle in honest psychology is incredible like that and having your dad doing what he is doing to you is only damaging you long term and you cant let him do that it isnt right
sathin
Profile Joined April 2012
United States46 Posts
July 05 2012 14:43 GMT
#20
On July 05 2012 00:37 Lightwip wrote:
No, not everyone has contemplated suicide. Your reason, however, is an extremely stupid one for doing so and you know it. Others have already described what suicide is like: not only do you lose the chance to do everything you wanted to do, but you also seriously harm everyone else you ever knew. And for what, for the chance to get away from some math?

And to an extent, maybe your father is right. You yourself admit that you're lazy, and he's really teaching you an important lesson: you can't always do only what you like to do. Sometimes, you have to do what matters that is at the same time not very interesting. If that isn't good enough for you, there's plenty of ways to avoid him as much as possible or to simply convince him that you're done doing what he asks of you. At the same time, I'd suggest you give his methods a fair chance before you complain about how it's not your area of interest.



people like you honestly make me sick... no reason for seriously contemplating suicide is a stupid one do you even understand the reasoning behind suicide science of the brain that makes those sorts of thoughts pop up? its imbalance in chemicals in the brain leading towards a very depressed state which cause these things that imbalance isnt something that can be prevented by the person it just happens he cant help it no one can

his father isnt right to bully him into his own thinking your wrong there as well and i hope to god that u dont really think its okay to do that to your kids its not teaching them you cant always do what you want to do cuz that doesnt make any sense in this situation this kid CAN do what he wants to do he DOES have a future in it the father just doesnt agree with it this kid doesnt sound remotely lazy to me either fuck he's winning academic awards

wanna know the worst thing you can tell some one whos depressed or contemplating suicide btw? and one of the most common reasons people who are thinking about suicide go through with it? because people like you tell them they have stupid reasons for being depressed i may be coming down harshly but SERIOUSLY? emotions are real what this kid feels is honest and anything but stupid think about the circumstances and how you would feel in them if you were HIM and not yourself working your ass off every day to make some one proud but having them never show it is completely demoralizing and humiliating on a daily basis it could be compared to being in the friend zone with a girl something almost every guy can relate to and its torture
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