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So, I've just played a ladder match, and because of the fact that I have been losing 9 out of 10 matches in the past, I have become the monster I never wanted to become. It was a TvP on Shakuras Plateau, and I proxied 2 Barracks just in front of his natural ramp and bunker rushed him afterwards. Needless to say, I won because he scouted it way too late and I was already killing his pylons while he was scrambling to get his first Stalker out.
When I pulled up the score screen afterwards, I saw that he was one league below me.
I felt horrible.
Cheesing for wins is not rewarding. Cheesing for wins is being desperate to win.
In pro games, I feel it is okay to do every once in a while, in order to ensure not every game becomes a 30 minute macro fest, which can be quite boring because if a Zerg is in it, they win most of the time. It's almost like watching a football game with Germany participating, if it comes to the lategame (penalties) you know who's probably going to win.
But now I have cheesed on ladder for the first time in my life. Now I can't go back to saying that cheesing is something other people do. I have officially stopped playing for fun.
I feel unsure about it.
  
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cheese are fun as well don t worry ^^
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ffs its not like you clubbed a baby seal or something. you cheesed a game in star2, get over it
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Dude, learn how to "cheese." It's a legitimate skill. Don't always cheese, and don't try to get to a level you can't get to in macro games by cheesing. But you should be doing a wacky rush at least 10% of your games. It makes a well rounded player.
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On June 28 2012 23:08 jrkirby wrote:
Dude, learn how to "cheese." It's a legitimate skill. Don't always cheese, and don't try to get to a level you can't get to in macro games by cheesing. But you should be doing a wacky rush at least 10% of your games. It makes a well rounded player.
Agreed. Cheese is an important part of the game because it forces people to play safe. A macro build isn't a good build if it dies to cheese. Don't be ashamed of your win. Be proud!
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On June 28 2012 23:01 Semtext wrote:
It's almost like watching a football game with Germany participating, if it comes to the lategame (penalties) you know who's probably going to win.
I feel unsure about it. Spain, not Germany, and I know how you feel. Shortly after I got the game I got to Diamond in 2v2 with my friend only by 5 gate zealot warpins every game and I felt I don't deserve the place. As I do now in Diamond 1v1, I have a feeling i'm only there and not in bottom plat or something because of 2 base timings.
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cheese is not desperate for wins.....;; cheese can help you learn the game... but of course if you do cheese every gam e than no...
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You tried to win a game and succeeded ? Shame on you !
Seriously, why would cheese be only something other people do ? If your opponent is playing so greedy that the cheese is a guaranteed victory (as you seem to think it is), then that would give them an unfair edge over you if you tried to play a macro game. I don't see what's wrong with keeping people honest. If what you're trying to do when laddering is increasing your skill, then being able to cheese (even if you don't do it 100% of the time) is something you should develop.
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Some cheeses give me an adrenaline rush to try to pull off.. If the opponent holds it correctly then the game's over sometimes. I play zerg, so usually that's like baneling busts vs terran or protoss, or fast pool into speedlings or banes in zvz. i typically dont play like this often, but whenever I do i feel it makes the game feel a different way. To be honest, I hate losing to cheese as well, but at the same time-- any time I hold off a cheese I feel even better 
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You are assuming cheesing isn't fun or that your opponent has never cheesed.
In broodwar there are a lot of custom No-Rush 20 games (no attacking for 20 minutes). Maybe you'd feel more comfortable there?
Cheese has to exist or else build orders get dishonest.
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I 4gated once, first time I ever tried cheese.
I felt physically ill, that poor Zerg. I don't mind when people cheese me but what I did... what I did was horrible.
I'm gonna find that replay and send compensation to that guy's family.
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I don't understand this aversion to "cheese" in the sc community. It's a legit part of the game.
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I feel sad for you.
Who the hell do you think you are bringing your cheese/all-in builds into this illustrious game? How dare you not play with honor and dignity! PHITU EWIE! I spit at you and fart in your general direction. Now go away before I taunt you a second time!
p.s. add french accent and you will get the last part
p.p.s. cheese it's part of the game. GSL seasons 1-4 were virtually all cheese, so until you can get to the skill level of GSL Season 5 I say it's ok to cheese from time to time.
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Italy12246 Posts
Dude it's not like you did cocaine or something. Cheese is part of the game, you will cheese and get cheesed again, period.
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For one thing, the fact that there are people who support cheesing this way is appalling. Having fun at other people's expense just for the sake of having fun (or winning, the same thing, cheese really doesn't improve your gameplay and only thing it tests is your luck) is really a dick thing to do.
On the other hand OP really shouldn't feel bad about this, you just tought the protoss opponent a valuable lesson about scouting, rest assured, that next time he played terran he did not forget to scout
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Canada6592 Posts
On June 28 2012 23:16 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 23:01 Semtext wrote:
It's almost like watching a football game with Germany participating, if it comes to the lategame (penalties) you know who's probably going to win.
I feel unsure about it. Spain, not Germany,
pfft Germany hasn't lost in penalties in the last 50~ years. Jens Lehmann <3 anyway Cheese is a good thing to throw into your game every now and then. It can also make things fun to do TERRIBLE cheese for the hell of it.
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For one thing, the fact that there are people who support cheesing this way is appalling. Having fun at other people's expense just for the sake of having fun (or winning, the same thing, cheese really doesn't improve your gameplay and only thing it tests is your luck) is really a dick thing to do.
I assume you begin each game discussing with your opponent which build each of you should do to maximize each other's fun. I'd like a 1-gate fast expand with a touch of robo tech to go, please !
Come on. Being respectful of your opponent is one thing (glhf, gg, not uselessly drawing out a game you know you lost ,etc.) Deliberately not doing a strategy you want to do (either for fun or for practice) because it would disappoint the other player, you know, the one you're trying to beat ? If you want to practice against a specific style, that's what custom games and practice partners are for.
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On June 29 2012 01:29 PassionFruit wrote:
I don't understand this aversion to "cheese" in the sc community. It's a legit part of the game.
A significant portion of the community is stupid.
Cheese the balls off of unsuspecting people and bathe in the tears like a man
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as long as you don't do friendly-talk and stuff to detract your opponent but just cheese to win a game it's okay. there is this strange (but good) feeling of having done the same to other people, that usually gets thrown into your face. But usually after cheesing I message my opponent and apologize with telling him the reason (7-loss streak or wanting to equalize my wins for the day). They usually find it funny
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today i read a blog and ranked it 1 star and was an asshole in the comments. usually i read blogs for fun, but now i have crossed the line into being a dick to get attention.
being a dick isn't rewarding. being a dick is being desperate for attention.
i have officially stopped reading blogs for fun, i feel insecure about it.
i'm not sure what the purpose of letting us all see this blog was, but hopefully now you are as confused about this post's purpose as i was about yours.
as to the cheese/"honorable" play arguments: why do you look down upon cheesing? if it's because it involves no skill and the people who do it are never going to get better, then you shouldn't even care because while they aren't getting better you are improving and eventually you will not have to worry about them. if it's because the people who do it are too concerned with ladder ranking and that is a petty and ignorant way to think, then aren't you being hypocritical by caring about their ladder score? once again you can just ignore it and move on to the next game. if it's because cheese is a boring way to play, well clearly you are boring person who wants everyone to do everything your way.
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