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On June 19 2012 17:10 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 16:08 FieryBalrog wrote:On June 19 2012 16:06 JonnyLaw wrote:On June 19 2012 15:57 Fishgle wrote:LoL is an extremely fun game, no doubt about it. And this is coming from someone who has 1000 hours of dota2 played already. LoL is awesome, especially when queuing with friends. it's a great experience, that mostly doesnt bother itself with nerve-wracking competition like sc 1v1 does. What turned me away, however, was the pay-to-win aspect, and the constant balance patches that change the meta game much too drastically. aaaand i'm a grognard and prefer dota  but to each his own. glad you're having fun. And be sure to try out dota once it is released! There is no pay to win in LoL. That's the entire premise of a competitive F2P game's success (read Riot Gaming). You buy cosmetics or conveniences only. And yes, I agree LoL is a lot of fun. I too was initially turned off by the game until a couple friends insisted I play more than a paltry amount of games. *edited clarity Rune pages. I love League and I like playing it more than SC2, but a large part of that is because I already burned out on playing Brood War and I'm older and slower. RTS is a young man's game. What about rune pages is pay to win? Runes can only be unlocked through playing and while you can get more rune pages for money or through playing, only one is active at a time. It's pay-to-advance-faster but not pay-to-win. On topic: From my own experience, League of Legends is usually more fun because it's more casual, which means even your non-hardcore gamer friends or colleagues play it... and the more friends you have that play a game, the more fun the game becomes for you because you can talk to others about the games, talk about tournaments, complain about OP champions, talk strategy and stuff... On the other hand, while SC2 is not exclusively for hardcore gamers it's still a game where it's less likely that your friends pick it up, so except for online forums you can't really talk with anyone about it. This is why barcrafts and such are so extremely important and i wish there was one in a 200km radius :-/
Question: how much time is it needed to unlock all these runes?
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The only reason I didn't enjoy my SC experience as much as my LoL(CURRENTLY, i feel like i'm gonna get tired of this game soon, but never tired of SC2 cus every single game is unique) right now is probably because SC2 was waaay too pressuring for me.
I made masters but I had a really bad ladder anxiety, and theres also the factor of having to have your mind pace everywhere.
But really I feel like SC2 > LoL which is why I came to this forums.
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On June 19 2012 17:24 shostakovich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 17:10 Morfildur wrote:On June 19 2012 16:08 FieryBalrog wrote:On June 19 2012 16:06 JonnyLaw wrote:On June 19 2012 15:57 Fishgle wrote:LoL is an extremely fun game, no doubt about it. And this is coming from someone who has 1000 hours of dota2 played already. LoL is awesome, especially when queuing with friends. it's a great experience, that mostly doesnt bother itself with nerve-wracking competition like sc 1v1 does. What turned me away, however, was the pay-to-win aspect, and the constant balance patches that change the meta game much too drastically. aaaand i'm a grognard and prefer dota but to each his own. glad you're having fun. And be sure to try out dota once it is released! There is no pay to win in LoL. That's the entire premise of a competitive F2P game's success (read Riot Gaming). You buy cosmetics or conveniences only. And yes, I agree LoL is a lot of fun. I too was initially turned off by the game until a couple friends insisted I play more than a paltry amount of games. *edited clarity Rune pages. I love League and I like playing it more than SC2, but a large part of that is because I already burned out on playing Brood War and I'm older and slower. RTS is a young man's game. What about rune pages is pay to win? Runes can only be unlocked through playing and while you can get more rune pages for money or through playing, only one is active at a time. It's pay-to-advance-faster but not pay-to-win. On topic: From my own experience, League of Legends is usually more fun because it's more casual, which means even your non-hardcore gamer friends or colleagues play it... and the more friends you have that play a game, the more fun the game becomes for you because you can talk to others about the games, talk about tournaments, complain about OP champions, talk strategy and stuff... On the other hand, while SC2 is not exclusively for hardcore gamers it's still a game where it's less likely that your friends pick it up, so except for online forums you can't really talk with anyone about it. This is why barcrafts and such are so extremely important and i wish there was one in a 200km radius :-/ Question: how much time is it needed to unlock all these runes?
If you don't buy champions or tier1/tier2 runes, you have enough IP to complete a runepage around level 20 (though you can only do so at 30 when all slots are unlocked). A few weeks ago i spent about 2 weeks grinding games for IP and then had all my 10 runepages completed for every character i'm likely to play (Tank/AP/AD/AS/Support), took me about 100-150 games.
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Been playing since beta and I still love the game. Come check out the forum on the left hand side under sports and games  .
Also buy t1 runes, they're about 40-60% as effective as t3s and you can get a full page for like 1000 ip (4-5 games).
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I'm glad you included that you enjoy COD/MW2 because for a second I thought it might actually be plausible that LoL was fun.
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LoL is insanely fun. If you don't think so you probably haven't played enough to get a good handle on the mechanics and general rules. It's like trying to play a game of monopoly without understanding how to buy houses.
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On June 19 2012 17:50 Sinensis wrote:
I'm glad you included that you enjoy COD/MW2 because for a second I thought it might actually be plausible that LoL was fun.
What does me liking MW2 have to do with anything? Oh wait, you're probably one of those that thinks they're better than other gamers because they only like "hardcore" or "underground" games. Get lost.
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Im personally think that Dota 2 is a much better game but I agree that it is overwhelming for new players to get into without any help. I think LoL players looking for something more should try to move on to Dota 2 but I understand LoL is casual enough to be fun and relaxing.
But yes, SC2 has just been overtaken by other titles (mainly dota 2) imo, at least in terms of spectator entertainment.
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On June 19 2012 18:12 Crissaegrim wrote:
Im personally think that Dota 2 is a much better game but I agree that it is overwhelming for new players to get into without any help. I think LoL players looking for something more should try to move on to Dota 2 but I understand LoL is casual enough to be fun and relaxing.
But yes, SC2 has just been overtaken by other titles (mainly dota 2) imo, at least in terms of spectator entertainment.
For viewing entertainment, I tend to feel that MOBAs are inadequate for the same reason that they're good for casual play: they're just much simpler than an RTS. Of course, in terms of audience numbers they'll do well anyway because a large population of player translates directly into a lot of viewers, even if the spectating experience isn't quite as good.
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I also played LoL for quite some times after quitting with SC2. I found it being really fun to play even in soloqueue, but then i got a DotA2 key and i switched game asap. I suggest to the LoL players to try DotA2 and see if you like it. It's a little bit more complex but still fun to play, also you don't have to pay for heroes . Don't get me wrong, I think that LoL is a great game but I don't like Riot business model. They are pretty much pumping out every week a new OP hero, and for new players it's really impossible to unlock all of them without paying with real money and even then you will spend quite a lot of money.
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Yeah, MOBAs with a full team of friends can be really fun, at least if the mentality is right. You either need for everyone in the team to be casual, or competitive. If your team has some competitive players, it quickly becomes a whiny atmosphere when the casual players mess up etc. Also, being of a competitive mindset can really set you back if you're not very good at the game.
Like Blitzer, I recommend people who like LoL to try Dota 2. Not just a game, but really sit down and try it. Dota 2 is way more heavy on mechanics and has some crazy complexity with team setups which I think a lot of LoL people would find superior if they actually tried it for 10 games or so.
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Why does every thread about LoL get invaded by people saying "DotA2 is better. Try DotA2"? Seriously, guys... The OP didn't mention DotA2 in any word, no reason to bring it up here...
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On June 19 2012 18:19 Jumbled wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 18:12 Crissaegrim wrote:
Im personally think that Dota 2 is a much better game but I agree that it is overwhelming for new players to get into without any help. I think LoL players looking for something more should try to move on to Dota 2 but I understand LoL is casual enough to be fun and relaxing.
But yes, SC2 has just been overtaken by other titles (mainly dota 2) imo, at least in terms of spectator entertainment. For viewing entertainment, I tend to feel that MOBAs are inadequate for the same reason that they're good for casual play: they're just much simpler than an RTS. Of course, in terms of audience numbers they'll do well anyway because a large population of player translates directly into a lot of viewers, even if the spectating experience isn't quite as good.
Have you watched some recent Dota 2 tournaments? I have a few games on the top of my head that might just change your mind. And I think you might be surprised at just how much strategy and tactics are involved in top tier games.
On June 19 2012 18:26 Morfildur wrote:
Why does every thread about LoL get invaded by people saying "DotA2 is better. Try DotA2"? Seriously, guys... The OP didn't mention DotA2 in any word, no reason to bring it up here...
Maybe because SC:BW was one of the most demanding, high-ceiling skilled games ever. SC2 is not on that level but good enough nonetheless. Both games reward constant practice to overcome a sharp learning curve which shares more similarities with Dota 2 than with LoL (in the minds of those advocating Dota 2). This is TL after all.
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On June 19 2012 18:26 Morfildur wrote:
Why does every thread about LoL get invaded by people saying "DotA2 is better. Try DotA2"? Seriously, guys... The OP didn't mention DotA2 in any word, no reason to bring it up here...
Because both games are Mobas and you might enjoy both? The real question is why are LoL players so defensive?
The reason why Dota is brought up a lot is because the vast majority of LoL players are casual gamers who might not even know about Dota and how it differs, while they might very well enjoy it.
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tl;dr playing games with friends is fun
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On June 19 2012 15:38 IMoperator wrote:
Now, we have a group of about 10+ people (all real life friends too) that play together and I'm having such a good time.
I hated logging on to SC2 and it felt like a ghost town, where you would just grind out 1v1's against faceless opponents. But no more!
TL;DR: Don't be like me, don't be biased against a game you haven't played yet, you could be really missing out!
The following is my opinion:
- The game is shit.
- Playing with friends is fun.
- Try playing without any of your friends, just strangers, for a week, and you'll go back to realizing it's ... a shit game.
- It's still fun to play with friends though. Regardless of game. I've had tons of fun playing with RL friends in games I thought sucked - it was still great fun playing with friends.
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Like others have said, you like the game because you play with RL friends, gaming doesn't get better than that.
I tried LoL myself 2 months ago and I enjoyed my first few games a lot, but I played those games with friends. As soon as I played some games by myself, I quickly realized the game is not bad per se, but other games (like SC2) are much better and way more fun to play alone.
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On June 19 2012 18:19 Jumbled wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 18:12 Crissaegrim wrote:
Im personally think that Dota 2 is a much better game but I agree that it is overwhelming for new players to get into without any help. I think LoL players looking for something more should try to move on to Dota 2 but I understand LoL is casual enough to be fun and relaxing.
But yes, SC2 has just been overtaken by other titles (mainly dota 2) imo, at least in terms of spectator entertainment. For viewing entertainment, I tend to feel that MOBAs are inadequate for the same reason that they're good for casual play: they're just much simpler than an RTS. Of course, in terms of audience numbers they'll do well anyway because a large population of player translates directly into a lot of viewers, even if the spectating experience isn't quite as good.
I really disagree here.
I have a way easier time teaching someone the basics of SC2 or even BW than the basics of DotA / League, simply because smaller things matter earlier and there is more basic knowledge that you need to learn.
On a higher level (solo q is a different game) the coordination required between teammates again introduces much more variables that SC2 doesn't have. It's really, really hard to argue that one of the genres is "simpler".
Edit: What's without ANY discussion great about League of Legends though is that it has the best subforum on TL. Period. ♥
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On June 19 2012 18:31 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 18:26 Morfildur wrote:
Why does every thread about LoL get invaded by people saying "DotA2 is better. Try DotA2"? Seriously, guys... The OP didn't mention DotA2 in any word, no reason to bring it up here... Because both games are Mobas and you might enjoy both? The real question is why are LoL players so defensive? The reason why Dota is brought up a lot is because the vast majority of LoL players are casual gamers who might not even know about Dota and how it differs, while they might very well enjoy it.
also, the second post in the thread is like "i got burned out by LoL because its 30 minute farmfest into teamfight into end".
dota is extremely unlike that for 99% of the games, so it's an alternative that many people might want to try if they like games of this genre.
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i wish i had friends or practice partners to play with on sc2 TT; forever alone practicing ....
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